Oh my god Amara's voice acting

[Unrighteous]

"Hell yes proceed punch it."

Can you say this with any less emotion? Is that even possible? What the hell is this delivery.

No hate towards the voice actors, but this is bad. I would strongly consider pulling a Destiny and redoing all of her lines at some point.

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Ursprungligen skrivet av Empress Lina:

Most VO people are bad at their job and bad humans as a whole.

This is actually kind've true. Voice actors are often very toxic and arrogant people.

[Unrighteous]

Ursprungligen skrivet av XartaX:

It has a kernel of truth in it. VO'ing in the west has never been as serious as other forms of acting in the west. So we really don't have the organizational powerhouse of a place like Japan where Anime is a huge part of their industry (kind of like Hollywood in the US). Of course there is good voice acting in the west, but it's usually more of an exception to the rule than the other way around. And if you compare it to Japanese voice acting talent it's not even in the same galaxy 99% of the time. Just like normal actors from Asian countries usually can't stack up against professional western actors.

I think people forget that multi-million dollar animated films and games exist. Have you heard the voice acting in SC2?

[Kurtino]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av Ranting Demon:

This is just nonsense.

As with any group of people, there are bad people among them. That's just how it is.

And in regards to most VO artists supposedly being bad at their job, that's just extra nonsensical. Bad voice over performances stand out immediately as bad performances precisely because, on average, basic voice over performance quality in media is generally pretty good.

And in cases where the quality is bad, the blame isn't always on the voice actors. If they are given ♥♥♥♥♥♥ art direction on how to voice their characters or the sound technicians are doing a bad job then that's not their fault. The VAs are just doing their job.

And ultimately, if a voice artist actually does a bad job but the bad performance still makes it into the release version of the game, then, yeah, the VA may have been doing a crap job but it's the fault of the game developer for greenlighting the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ audio for release instead of either having it redone or hiring a better VA.

It has a kernel of truth in it. VO'ing in the west has never been as serious as other forms of acting in the west. So we really don't have the organizational powerhouse of a place like Japan where Anime is a huge part of their industry (kind of like Hollywood in the US). Of course there is good voice acting in the west, but it's usually more of an exception to the rule than the other way around. And if you compare it to Japanese voice acting talent it's not even in the same galaxy 99% of the time. Just like normal actors from Asian countries usually can't stack up against professional western actors.

I disagree, you're comparing bad English dub voice acting because Asian people don't know the difference and just hire anyone or the regular "talent"; just because the anime community prefer Japanese dubs doesn't mean Japanese voice acting is better. There's also nothing wrong with Asian actors, it's just the culture is different, so you're comparing English dubbed Asian content to Asian dubbed western content all the while likely unaware of what is good or bad because you most likely can't speak Japanese.

There have been fantastic and sometimes far more prevalent voice actors in games since DOS games came out when people didn't know what gaming was and just hired traditional theatre actors. There were also game devs that just did voice overs and sounded awful. If you bother to screen the talent you'll get good voice actors and if you don't you'll get bad, same as it's always been, and same across the West and the East. It's true that voice actors in Japan are seen closer to celebrities and have greater respect in terms of the vocation, but there's a world of difference between a lack of quality vs the medium itself not translating the same because anime is designed for Japanese audiences and a completely different language, and when animes have not been Japanese produced you can immediately see the difference and comparable quality.

[Abyssus_j]

Its like they recruited their arts team from reddit. The writing and voice acting is so dry, flat and makes your face want to implode from all the cringe.

[Daynen Drakeson]

I'm just gonna be charitable and chalk it up to "it's VERY early access."

[Daimos]

Dudes, you have your "strong and independent" boss girl. Next, I suggest some magic Afro-american who will be your main advisor. Then, they should add something about some "old gods", in order to covertly attack Christians and the Bible. This game needs more woke trash. hahaha

[Antpile]

Ursprungligen skrivet av XartaX:

It has a kernel of truth in it. VO'ing in the west has never been as serious as other forms of acting in the west. So we really don't have the organizational powerhouse of a place like Japan where Anime is a huge part of their industry (kind of like Hollywood in the US). Of course there is good voice acting in the west, but it's usually more of an exception to the rule than the other way around. And if you compare it to Japanese voice acting talent it's not even in the same galaxy 99% of the time. Just like normal actors from Asian countries usually can't stack up against professional western actors.

That's an odd take, because almost every anime I've ever seen becomes unwatchable due to how poor the writing is and how none of the voice actors speak like actual people would ever speak. They either show almost no emotion despite being in the midst of some critical battle as they spend minutes in exposition over explaining some minute detail of something that doesn't really matter, or WAAAY over act the emotions, practically screaming the emotion out over a loud speaker; Only to 3 seconds later be back to normal as if that emotion never happened.

We must be watching very different animes.

[XartaX]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Kurtino:

Ursprungligen skrivet av XartaX:

It has a kernel of truth in it. VO'ing in the west has never been as serious as other forms of acting in the west. So we really don't have the organizational powerhouse of a place like Japan where Anime is a huge part of their industry (kind of like Hollywood in the US). Of course there is good voice acting in the west, but it's usually more of an exception to the rule than the other way around. And if you compare it to Japanese voice acting talent it's not even in the same galaxy 99% of the time. Just like normal actors from Asian countries usually can't stack up against professional western actors.

I disagree, you're comparing bad English dub voice acting because Asian people don't know the difference and just hire anyone or the regular "talent"; just because the anime community prefer Japanese dubs doesn't mean Japanese voice acting is better. There's also nothing wrong with Asian actors, it's just the culture is different, so you're comparing English dubbed Asian content to Asian dubbed western content all the while likely unaware of what is good or bad because you most likely can't speak Japanese.

There have been fantastic and sometimes far more prevalent voice actors in games since DOS games came out when people didn't know what gaming was and just hired traditional theatre actors. There were also game devs that just did voice overs and sounded awful. If you bother to screen the talent you'll get good voice actors and if you don't you'll get bad, same as it's always been, and same across the West and the East. It's true that voice actors in Japan are seen closer to celebrities and have greater respect in terms of the vocation, but there's a world of difference between a lack of quality vs the medium itself not translating the same because anime is designed for Japanese audiences and a completely different language, and when animes have not been Japanese produced you can immediately see the difference and comparable quality.

I can speak it, lol (although not fluently).

And yes, there's a world of difference between Asian actors and western ones. Well, these days western actors are starting to be pretty ♥♥♥♥♥ on average too, but if you look at it historically and the actual heavy hitters they're far beyond anything they've produced. But it's because we just have a way more mature acting culture (for movies, anyways).

You go on to prove my point by stating that western games do things like hiring theatrical actors - not VA's. Western voice actors are simply not anywhere near the level of Japanese ones. Becoming a professional voice actor over there is a way more competitive and challenging field (kind of like being a professional movie actor is here). Over here it's usually a very low bar to get a VO job, so "professional" VA's usually have barely any training at all. Hiring a random (professional) VA in Japan is like hiring a random Hollywood actor. You're far more likely to get someone competent at their job than grabbing someone off the street, which is basically what's being done in the west when it comes to VO's a lot of the time (and that was clearly done here for a bunch of the characters). And even if you do get a professional VA in the west, they will not have remotely the same amount of organizational backing and competition that Japanese ones do.

[Unrighteous]

Can we cool it with the blanket statements about the east and west please.

I made this thread to talk about one bad performance lol.

[Kurtino]

Ursprungligen skrivet av XartaX:

I can speak it, lol (although not fluently).

And yes, there's a world of difference between Asian actors and western ones. Well, these days western actors are starting to be pretty ♥♥♥♥♥ on average too, but if you look at it historically and the actual heavy hitters they're far beyond anything they've produced. But it's because we just have a way more mature acting culture (for movies, anyways).

You go on to prove my point by stating that western games do things like hiring theatrical actors - not VA's. Western voice actors are simply not anywhere near the level of Japanese ones. Becoming a professional voice actor over there is a way more competitive and challenging field (kind of like being a professional movie actor is here). Over here it's usually a very low bar to get a VO job, so "professional" VA's usually have barely any training at all. Hiring a random (professional) VA in Japan is like hiring a random Hollywood actor. You're far more likely to get someone competent at their job than grabbing someone off the street, which is basically what's being done in the west when it comes to VO's a lot of the time (and that was clearly done here for a bunch of the characters). And even if you do get a professional VA in the west, they will not have remotely the same amount of organizational backing and competition that Japanese ones do.

I guess if you compare VO as a vocation then yes, but I think segmenting voice acting is restrictive, I see acting as acting, and I don't think acting is better or worse between regions because what we consider good fundamentally changes between cultures. Any good actor can be a voice actor, but if you just looked at people who are considered only voice actors then yes, because it's not as big of a particular niche in the West then people who exclusively do voice acting is more limited. A native English speaker who can't fluently speak Japanese is not going to fully understand that cultural divide to properly appreciate the differences; there will always be bias. If companies aren't hiring good voice actors it doesn't mean that they don't exist; I don't blame the poor voice quality in Stormgate on the country and that they can't find anyone, I blame the company for hiring someone bad and not appreciating fan desires for quality.

For example Keith David is considered an actor yet has done more voice acting than anything but is also classically trained. Same with Mark Hamill. Steve Blum is considered a voice actor specifically, but I wouldn't exclude Keith and Mark because they've done more than voice acting.

[XartaX]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Kurtino:

Ursprungligen skrivet av XartaX:

I can speak it, lol (although not fluently).

And yes, there's a world of difference between Asian actors and western ones. Well, these days western actors are starting to be pretty ♥♥♥♥♥ on average too, but if you look at it historically and the actual heavy hitters they're far beyond anything they've produced. But it's because we just have a way more mature acting culture (for movies, anyways).

You go on to prove my point by stating that western games do things like hiring theatrical actors - not VA's. Western voice actors are simply not anywhere near the level of Japanese ones. Becoming a professional voice actor over there is a way more competitive and challenging field (kind of like being a professional movie actor is here). Over here it's usually a very low bar to get a VO job, so "professional" VA's usually have barely any training at all. Hiring a random (professional) VA in Japan is like hiring a random Hollywood actor. You're far more likely to get someone competent at their job than grabbing someone off the street, which is basically what's being done in the west when it comes to VO's a lot of the time (and that was clearly done here for a bunch of the characters). And even if you do get a professional VA in the west, they will not have remotely the same amount of organizational backing and competition that Japanese ones do.

I guess if you compare VO as a vocation then yes, but I think segmenting voice acting is restrictive, I see acting as acting, and I don't think acting is better or worse between regions because what we consider good fundamentally changes between cultures. Any good actor can be a voice actor, but if you just looked at people who are considered only voice actors then yes, because it's not as big of a particular niche in the West then people who exclusively do voice acting is more limited. A native English speaker who can't fluently speak Japanese is not going to fully understand that cultural divide to properly appreciate the differences; there will always be bias. If companies aren't hiring good voice actors it doesn't mean that they don't exist; I don't blame the poor voice quality in Stormgate on the country and that they can't find anyone, I blame the company for hiring someone bad and not appreciating fan desires for quality.

For example Keith David is considered an actor yet has done more voice acting than anything but is also classically trained. Same with Mark Hamill. Steve Blum is considered a voice actor specifically, but I wouldn't exclude Keith and Mark because they've done more than voice acting.

Acting with your voice is part of your toolkit as a movie or theatrical actor. So obviously they will be a lot better at it than a regular person. But I would say that calling such an actor a voice actor is like calling a professional football (not handegg) player a professional runner. Running is an important part of a football players skillset, but they're obviously not going to be as good at running as a professional runner, whose entire professional life and training revolves around that skill alone.

Voice acting in the west has actually improved a lot the last decade, but it's still nowhere near the level of quality in Japan. But that should be obvious considering how new it is as an important industry in the west (pretty much relegated to kids cartoons in the past over here), while they've been heavily investing into and valuing the industry at the level of how america has treated movies (Hollywood) for at least half a century.

[Daynen Drakeson]

"Handegg."

That's a new one. XD

[Dishwasher]

Agreed, all the guys deliver their lines so flatly. 3 missions in and I don't care for anyone...

[Daimos]

Amara voice acting is ok. She is supposed to speak without much emotions, BECAUSE, you will hear those response lines like 10k times, over many hours. This means, that her emotional responses, would get VERY tiring, very quickly, and that's WHY they made it like that.

She is supposed to be a stoic, war veteran, with scars on her face, not a pink girl from Twitch, who gets excited to fire a gun.

[Unrighteous]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Daimos:

Amara voice acting is ok. She is supposed to speak without much emotions, BECAUSE, you will hear those response lines like 10k times, over many hours. This means, that her emotional responses, would get VERY tiring, very quickly, and that's WHY they made it like that.

She is supposed to be a stoic, war veteran, with scars on her face, not a pink girl from Twitch, who gets excited to fire a gun.

Her repeated lines aren't really what I took issue with. It's the way she talks during cut-scenes and mission briefings. It's just bad.