China national characteristics

[hahehjeahjae]

Are there events to fix the problems china starts with? If so how do i stimulate them to happen?

[bgp_spook]

I will just share what I am aware of since I don't recall exactly what national traits China has.

There is an event that randomly fires that lets you choose between eliminating corruption and a slight bump in the fire control research area for a small amount of money (1000?). You may need to choose to eliminate corruption more than once for it to completely take it out. The only way to tell for sure (that I know of) is to look at your save file for nation 0 and see if corruption is at 0 or not.

There is another random event that can remove the national 'Cautious' trait. As I recall, it is a choice to support or refute a young officer who wrote a scathing article about naval strategy. It costs about 1 prestige to embrace his ideas and remove the 'Cautious' trait.

I am unaware of any way to eliminate 'Poor Education'.

[hahehjeahjae]

china has endemic corruption, poor education, underdevolped naval industry. Glad to know at least corruption can be fixed. I hope education could be fixed by the social reforms or helpin the socialists or something and naval industry gets better by just biuilding ships n bigger docks

[bgp_spook]

As I recall, underdeveloped naval industry means ship construction will tend to take longer than it is estimated to and classes of ship will be more prone to random unplanned variations like being overweight (a penalty to flotation health) or slower/faster than planned. I am unaware of anyway to remove it other than save editing.

[hahehjeahjae]

Originally posted by bgp_spook:

As I recall, underdeveloped naval industry means ship construction will tend to take longer than it is estimated to and classes of ship will be more prone to random unplanned variations like being overweight (a penalty to flotation health) or slower/faster than planned. I am unaware of anyway to remove it other than save editing.

Oh i see

[Andrew Cree]

At the moment, Poor Education is a permanent trait. It would take a good 20-40 years of investment to actually break such an issue.

Nations with Poor Education cannot lose the trait Undeveloped Naval Industry, which makes Japan the only nation that can clear that flag.

I understand that you can get also a small decrease in corruption by refusing the offer by industrialists to have an increase in the naval budget.

[bgp_spook]

Originally posted by Andrew Cree:

At the moment, Poor Education is a permanent trait. It would take a good 20-40 years of investment to actually break such an issue.

Nations with Poor Education cannot lose the trait Undeveloped Naval Industry, which makes Japan the only nation that can clear that flag.

I understand that you can get also a small decrease in corruption by refusing the offer by industrialists to have an increase in the naval budget.

Are you saying that nations without poor education CAN remove the Underdeveloped Naval Industry trait? I am assuming it is a random event that enables it?

[Alpha2518]

Originally posted by Andrew Cree:

At the moment, Poor Education is a permanent trait. It would take a good 20-40 years of investment to actually break such an issue.

Nations with Poor Education cannot lose the trait Undeveloped Naval Industry, which makes Japan the only nation that can clear that flag.

I understand that you can get also a small decrease in corruption by refusing the offer by industrialists to have an increase in the naval budget.

Man it's a good thing we have at least 20-40 years considering we start in 1890.

[hahehjeahjae]

Originally posted by Andrew Cree:

At the moment, Poor Education is a permanent trait. It would take a good 20-40 years of investment to actually break such an issue.

Nations with Poor Education cannot lose the trait Undeveloped Naval Industry, which makes Japan the only nation that can clear that flag.

I understand that you can get also a small decrease in corruption by refusing the offer by industrialists to have an increase in the naval budget.

yea, the timeframe very easily clears the time for a new generation, poor education realy needs to become clearable as it did happen irl

[Lucky]

I did full social reform playthrough as Russia to no avail. Had to kick asses in a completely uneducated, almost illiterate, manner.

Those perks serve only to irk the player. No strategic considerations.

[bgp_spook]

Originally posted by Lucky:

I did full social reform playthrough as Russia to no avail. Had to kick asses in a completely uneducated, almost illiterate, manner.

Those perks serve only to irk the player. No strategic considerations.

It is clear that the intention is to be a feature to play around rather than to agitate but I feel you.

[Andrew Cree]

Originally posted by Alpha2518:

Man it's a good thing we have at least 20-40 years considering we start in 1890.

It has been presented as a suggestion - whether it gets a high priority and they can figure out how to make the system work is a whole different kettle of fish.

Let's say it's hypothetically possible for now

Originally posted by bgp_spook:

Are you saying that nations without poor education CAN remove the Underdeveloped Naval Industry trait? I am assuming it is a random event that enables it?

Japan, AFAIK, is the only nation that loses the trait.

I'm not sure exactly on the triggers to remove the trait off-hand, I'm pretty sure it's date based as it usually seems to happen around the 1920s. It is not a random event pop-up though.

[hahehjeahjae]

Originally posted by Andrew Cree:

Originally posted by Alpha2518:

Man it's a good thing we have at least 20-40 years considering we start in 1890.

It has been presented as a suggestion - whether it gets a high priority and they can figure out how to make the system work is a whole different kettle of fish.

Let's say it's hypothetically possible for now

Originally posted by bgp_spook:

Are you saying that nations without poor education CAN remove the Underdeveloped Naval Industry trait? I am assuming it is a random event that enables it?

Japan, AFAIK, is the only nation that loses the trait.

I'm not sure exactly on the triggers to remove the trait off-hand, I'm pretty sure it's date based as it usually seems to happen around the 1920s. It is not a random event pop-up though.

Oh if its feedback already taken then its good, i hope they can make this soon, itd make it pretty interesting to be able to struggle to help things improve eventualy instead of just struggling. We already have relevant events etc

[DemonicSquid]

Originally posted by Lucky:

I did full social reform playthrough as Russia to no avail. Had to kick asses in a completely uneducated, almost illiterate, manner.

Seems pretty realistic to me... ;)

[Silamon]

Originally posted by DemonicSquid:

Originally posted by Lucky:

I did full social reform playthrough as Russia to no avail. Had to kick asses in a completely uneducated, almost illiterate, manner.

Seems pretty realistic to me... ;)

Eh. Historically the Russian fleet was comically poor quality, with a handful of good men trying desperately to hold things together. It's kind of an issue that more funding just wouldn't fix, you'd have to have people that know what the hell they are doing train men who actually want to be good at their jobs first and Russia was short in supply on both.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mdi_Fh9_Ag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXpj6nK5ylo&t
If you are interested in one of their more famous escapades. They misidentified some fishing boats as torpedo boats and engaged them... and did more damage to themselves than the fishing boats. Truly a marvel.

[hahehjeahjae]

Originally posted by Silamon:

Originally posted by DemonicSquid:

Seems pretty realistic to me... ;)

Eh. Historically the Russian fleet was comically poor quality, with a handful of good men trying desperately to hold things together. It's kind of an issue that more funding just wouldn't fix, you'd have to have people that know what the hell they are doing train men who actually want to be good at their jobs first and Russia was short in supply on both.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mdi_Fh9_Ag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXpj6nK5ylo&t
If you are interested in one of their more famous escapades. They misidentified some fishing boats as torpedo boats and engaged them... and did more damage to themselves than the fishing boats. Truly a marvel.

Yea what we are talking about now is specificaly how u are already able to give up budget n try to force thru social reforms n better education n have a naval academy etc etc n maybe that should be able to aleviate the problems instead of havin a debuff that can never be changed even when u try to do everything that wouldve fixed it.