SAM not working against SSM?

[Penegrin]

I am in 1965 and have medium SAM installed on my ships. First battle with them and not a single incoming SSM was intercepted and I also saw no report that SAMs where fired. It was night but I guess that should not be an issue.

[bgp_spook]

Aside from early SSMs not having great performance, could it be a problem of coverage angles? I know that is a thing IRL but I don't know about the game itself.

[Deez_Noots]

Originally posted by bgp_spook:

Aside from early SSMs not having great performance, could it be a problem of coverage angles? I know that is a thing IRL but I don't know about the game itself.

"For AA missiles, facing is not important. SSM mounts are limited by facing"

from page 124 in the manual.

anyway the problem OP is having is a misunderstanding of what SAM missiles do in game, they don't intercept enemy missiles, for intercepting and destroying enemy missiles you need either CIWS(LAA with CIWS enabled) or radar guided MAA(MAA with the radar guided upgrade enabled).

the only thing SAM missiles shoot at are aircraft or with the relevant tech enemy surface ships in visual range of the firing ship. in particular Medium SAM fires at the same phase as medium ASM letting you fire back at enemy aircraft using Medium ASM.

if you want any info on how missiles work in the game then read the manual from page 121-126

[Deez_Noots]

Originally posted by Penegrin:

I am in 1965 and have medium SAM installed on my ships. First battle with them and not a single incoming SSM was intercepted and I also saw no report that SAMs where fired. It was night but I guess that should not be an issue.

SAM does not intercept enemy missiles, for that you need CIWS upgrades light AA guns and/or radar guided upgraded medium AA guns. SAM only shoot at enemy aircraft or with relevant tech enemy surface ships in visual range.

[IntoLight]

LSAMs (and MSAMs, once you get the tech for it. It's a 1970 tech iirc) do intercept enemy missiles. They're the most reliable missile defense late game. CIWS and RMAA are a last ditch saving throw.

[Penegrin]

Thx for the answer guys, but I am getting mixed signals here :)

I now have MSAMs and LSAMS and I had the impression, that MSAM cover the fleet against SSMs and LSAMs defend only the own ship.

I know SAMs work fine against planes as I can see it in the log. I also get a lot of messages that missiles miss my ships but never once that one was intercepted. That would be kinda handy to evaluate the performance of my setup.

So HSAM only attacks planes? And MSAM/LSAM missiles as well? And do MSAMs defend other ships in the fleet as well?

[vinternatt]

Read it yourself in the Data\ResearchAreas3.dat

[Penegrin]

Originally posted by vinternatt:

Read it yourself in the Data\ResearchAreas3.dat

Ah, so if i read that correctly only with the 'Improved MSAM' Tech MSAM will target missiles as well as planes. And LSAM does so from the beginning and with 'Improved LSAM' it will also protect nearby friends. Is that correct?

[IntoLight]

Yes.
LSAM: Only defends own ship initially, can defend nearby ships as technology advances.
MSAM: Can only attack planes initially, can defend against missiles and be fired at enemy ships as technology advances. Can defend other ships.
HSAM: Can only attack planes initially, can be fired at enemy ships as technology advances. Can defend other ships. Longer ranged than MSAMs.

[Deez_Noots]

Originally posted by IntoLight:

LSAMs (and MSAMs, once you get the tech for it. It's a 1970 tech iirc) do intercept enemy missiles. They're the most reliable missile defense late game. CIWS and RMAA are a last ditch saving throw.

ah thanks for adding that, I was just running off the manual since its been a while since I reached the missile era before getting befored

[Penegrin]

After a couple of more engagements I now see how SAM works. Thanx again for all the answers.

As far as I can see there are no notifications for CIWS or RMAA. That's a shame as I'd like know how they perform as well. Any indication which of the 2 is more effective?

[Andrew Cree]

If memory serves, CIWS is more effective (automated), but RMAA still has a range advantage