Broken quest rewards

[brad]

I played Torchlight II a few years ago and just now have tried it again.

My character is level 5 and has no chest armor . He finished a level 5 quest and went back to town to cash it in. I had an option of 3 items. I took the chest armor....

I need to be level 13 to use it. So, cashing in a low level quest, gives you an item I cannot use for 8 levels.

I'm off to play PoE.

[Awkward]

That was not broken. And usually, you can wait proper level OR set required stats. Finally, almost always you can buy something from blacksmith NPC. But really, level 5 is not critical for equip

[tukkek]

Originally posted by brad:

I'm off to play PoE

That will be much better suited to your temperament if you're all about instant gratification rather than long-term or deeper gameplay. Best of luck to you with that!

On a side note, I'm always amused when I'm level 80 in PoE and literally level 1 skill gems drop from enemies. I literally had Herald of Ash drop from Act 10 the other day (item-level 20 gem on a mosnter-level 60 area). I guess (for some) a game that drops gear 60-80 levels behind you is better than a game that drops gear 10 levels ahead of you (that you can plan and build towards) as long as it's instant gratification.

Oh well, different games for different gamers, I guess. I know which one I prefer, at least!

That's not even to mention how Path of Exile drip-feeds gear upgrades to you on a much slower rate than Torchlight II does, especially at end-game! But hey it does have loot explosions all the time even if they never give you anything even remotely good, so it really appeals to those "screen goes boom all the time" type of player.

[HiFive]

Originally posted by brad:

I played Torchlight II a few years ago and just now have tried it again.

My character is level 5 and has no chest armor . He finished a level 5 quest and went back to town to cash it in. I had an option of 3 items. I took the chest armor....

I need to be level 13 to use it. So, cashing in a low level quest, gives you an item I cannot use for 8 levels.

I'm off to play PoE.

If the chest piece was level 15, then it was probably part of the Clovenhoof set. If your stats happen to get high enough before you reach level 15, then you can still equip it. The Clovenhoof set is very good at (or near) level 15, so the game gave you a great gift, actually.

When choosing which reward to accept, you can always mouse over the items and see what level they are for, or what stats you need to equip them, if you aren't at the correct level for it.

[brad]

My temperament? Is nothing to do with that. It is game design 101. You do quest you get a reward you can use.. Being level 5 and getting a reward I cannot use is just broken. Would NOT happen in WoW. But what would they know about great, successful and profitable game design?

It's As broken as tukkek getting low level gems at level 80.

You telling me that coders that coded this could not...

1. Look at the character level.

2. Give item the character can use.

I did the quest and STILL have no chest armor!!

[tukkek]

The fact you're comparing World of Warcraft, a game that is widely accepted by its community to be on its lowest point ever with Battle for Azeroth, shows how much you actually know about game design to be making wild claims like "it's game design 101". Besides that, you haven't refuted any of my arguments, you're just doubling down on "I WANT REWARD NOW!"

If you think a less streamlined and not immediately-gratifying game design is offensive to your gaming tastes, then, by all means, go back to playing Path of Exile as you said you would.

Other games with item requirements in the form of class-specific gear, minimum level or minimum attribute requirements:

- Path of Exile
- World of Warcraft
- Diablo 3
- Grim Dawn
- Last Epoch

"Game design 101"? Please.

[brad]

You hit the nail on the head. Torchlight 2 is less streamlined. Furthermore not being gratifying for a new player who only got to level 5 does nothing to entice new players to stick around. How you can see that as a good thing is beyond me. Maybe it gets better the more you play it. But how would I know that? Indications thus far show that game just picks a random quest reward that does not factor in, the level the quest or the player.

I have played all the game you listed above (bar Last Epoch).. I have never seen any of them give a reward that is miles out of my level. Some give items I can't use. Sure. But the item level should not be a factor.

Yes, Game design 101.. The games you listed, who do it right, are some of the biggest most popular games ever.

[tukkek]

"I'm all the way up to level 5, why can't I equip every piece of gear I find?!"

[brad]

Yep. hit the nail on the head tukkek.. I got to level 5 can could not equip stuff I found. That is broken. I don't care if I'm level 5 or level 50.

This should matter to the game developers. I have abandoned T2 for this very reason alone. How may others have tried it to find how broken it is so early.

I have been playing Grim Dawn.. I find gear I can't wear. Like heavy armour (Playing a medium armour wearer) . Or stuff I can't equip because I have not enough points into some skill. That is fine. Usually 1 or 2 levels to sort that out. I can find at item that is level 34, while I am level 33.

But I NEVER find an item that I can not equip for 8 levels!! Imagine being level 65, and finding an item you cannot equip till level 73. If you cannot see that as broken, then good luck with Torchlight 2.

[HiFive]

Oh, c'mon. Everyone goes thru the first levels of most games very quickly. That is why Torchlight gave you such nice gear that you could not equip right away - because they know you will be leveling up quickly and wanting that gear very soon. At higher levels, there won't be such a large gap between your character's level and the level of the gear. You are nitpicking about stuff in the early part of the game. Just how many games do you quit so easily over tiny details?

Or are you just one of the many people who keep coming over here trying to find an excuse to advertise Grim Dawn. I put that game on my "bad games" list just because of all the nasty people from that game who keep coming over to these discussion pages to do that. Is Grim Dawn really that hard up to find players that they need to constantly send players over to the Torchlight discussion pages to advertise it?

[brad]

Here is the thing.. Finding stuff in the wild.. Sure, can be a level you can't use. Get the quest reward for a level 5 quest that is 8 levels above you? That, is just so stupid and bad programming and does nothing to entice new players to play this game.

This should be easy. Do a level 5 quest. Get a level 5 reward.

[Goothry]

OP is clearly trolling.

[RetroGamingGalaxy]

lmao... Cannot handle lv 5 in TL2 and wants to go over to PoE. Troll thread...


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[HiFive]

Originally posted by Goothry:

OP is clearly trolling.

Agree 100%

[brad]

Not trolling.. Just looking for game to play. Tried TL2, got a stupid level quest item that I could not use for 8 levels. That's it and no more.

You idiots passing this off a troll posting are not seeing the issue here. (Much easier to say "troll' than have an original thought. Just go back to the game and leave the discussion to the big boys)

That has NEVER happened in a game I have ever played. 1 level maybe. But in those games if the item was one level higher, I know I worked hard for it. Maybe even had a buddy help..

This TL2 game just goes.. "oh, he finishing a level 5 quest.. Roll RND for level). Boom. Level 13 quest item that he will find a replacement for at level 11. So he can just carry it around until then).

Maybe this works for you (like the dude above lamenting that at high level he gets low level items). You don't see a problem here.. Good for you. Have fun.

[HiFive]

Originally posted by brad:

Not trolling.. Just looking for game to play. Tried TL2, got a stupid level quest item that I could not use for 8 levels. That's it and no more.

You idiots passing this off a troll posting are not seeing the issue here. (Much easier to say "troll' than have an original thought. Just go back to the game and leave the discussion to the big boys)

That has NEVER happened in a game I have ever played. 1 level maybe. But in those games if the item was one level higher, I know I worked hard for it. Maybe even had a buddy help..

This TL2 game just goes.. "oh, he finishing a level 5 quest.. Roll RND for level). Boom. Level 13 quest item that he will find a replacement for at level 11. So he can just carry it around until then).

Maybe this works for you (like the dude above lamenting that at high level he gets low level items). You don't see a problem here.. Good for you. Have fun.

rofl

Oh gosh, darn. I'm sorry for laughing so hard.

I'm guessing you are a young person, then. If you aren't a troll, then someday you will look back at this and get a little red in the face.

You claim to hate this game so much, and yet you keep coming back here and reiterating what you've already stated as your complaint. We already know what you claim to be upset about. We know that either you give up easily, or you are just having fun trolling. If you are really serious, I would think you would have moved on by now, but here you are still. So I'm more inclined to believe you are a troll.