Is it a dungeon when it is in a castle?

[Scorcher24]

Just asking. The premise is to defend a dungeon, but all the screenshots show a castle.
Kind of weird.

[Spiff]

The term "dungeon" comes from "donjon", which is a fortified tower.

[Bobby]

The other thing is that 'Dungeon' is synonymous with the classic (forever) Dungeon Keeper. From which there is only one title that has got close to emulating it ;)

[Scarab-Phoenix]

Originally posted by Scorcher24:

Just asking. The premise is to defend a dungeon, but all the screenshots show a castle.
Kind of weird.

Keep in mind that it's a dungeon in the MMO/table-top sense for adventurers to raid. Such dungeons come in different forms and shapes, including towers/donjons.

[Bobby]

Originally posted by Scarab-Phoenix:

Originally posted by Scorcher24:

Just asking. The premise is to defend a dungeon, but all the screenshots show a castle.
Kind of weird.

Keep in mind that it's a dungeon in the MMO/table-top sense for adventurers to raid. Such dungeons come in different forms and shapes, including towers/donjons.

Okay, another who's missed the obvious clue.
Dungeon is an overly used name about a world famous PC game by BullFrog which defined the genre. Since then every PC game and it's granny has tried to sell anything with *chickens* in it, cauldrons, training rooms, beer, mining, making traps and spells and imps with the tagline 'Dungeon' in it.
Nobody cares about where it originates from, it's the obvious selling point from where it originates from.
Tower Defence is an obvious reference to this, but that doesn't sell...

[Scarab-Phoenix]

Originally posted by Bobby:

Nobody cares about where it originates from

hahaha, the irony!

[corbo]

Just a bad translation from the French 'donjon,' which is a keep, thinking it's equivalent to its English descendant 'dungeon,' which is usually underground.
But it's okay in a Dungeons & Dragons context, since a dungeon can then be pretty much anything as long as it's populated with traps, loot, and mobs.

[Warlord]

*cough cough*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeon_Master_(video_game)
*cough cough*

Strange that this game is more like Dungeon KEEPER than it is Dungeon MASTER, despite the name. (Actually, this game feels more like the Bullfrog game "Theme Hospital" than the Bullfrog game "Dungeon Keeper". Theme Dungeon?).

[Cladeuh]

It's not a castle, it's a donjon. The big tower in the castles.

And it's also a dungeon like in "Dungeon & Dragons" or "Dungeon Keeper", because there are traps and mobs in it...

And as far as I know, there is no relationship with the old "dungeon master". This old game is not a well-known game...

In the Naheulbeuk universe, there are other dungeons in various forms. No idea if we will see some of them in the game.

[Bobby]

Originally posted by Scarab-Phoenix:

Originally posted by Bobby:

Nobody cares about where it originates from

hahaha, the irony!

Why, for you? A Dungeon in medieval times in Britain is exactly that -a cellar in the bowels of the castle or prison.

dun·geon
[ˈdʌn(d)ʒ(ə)n]
NOUN
a strong underground prison cell, especially in a castle.

[Mesarthim]

Bobby won't probably care XD but ... Here's a bit of explanation and history:

There's a big misunderstanding here which comes from mistranslation, exactly like the word Penguin (english) - Manchot (french) vs Pingouin (french, a bird that can fly) - Auk (english)

But, the word is so much used in english that we start using it in french too, which is wrong and confuse everybody when we learn the true nature of the word.
(actually, the confusion comes from an expedition in Antartica with french and english people, english said "look, penguins !" while pointing at the "manchot" but since the word "pingouin" exist in french and is very close to "penguin", they started calling penguins - pingouin and thus was born the confusion which they brought back in France.)


But to come back to the game:

English - French
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Dungeon - Cachot
Keep - Donjon

Now, the game comes from an audio serie called "le donjon de naheulbeuk" (created in 2001) which has quite a cult of followers and various fan for it's humour and various songs.
In the serie, the group of adventurers enters a keep (so the famous donjon) to find fame and treasures (it doesn't really go according to plans but they succeed nonetheless)

This game is badly translated by "the dungeon of naheulbeuk" because
1. It sounds better
2. In popular culture, we started calling "dungeon / donjon" just about any instance in a game which let a group of heroes kill monsters, wander through a labyrinth and kill a boss at the very end for treasure and XP. (but mostly in MMO, same story as penguin)
3. Few people knows the difference between the two.

Now, the game is called "dungeon master" for a few reasons
1. It's a call back to Dungeon Keeper which it is heavily inspired from
2. In a Role Playing Game (the pen and papper version with loads of rules to read, dice throwing and friends yelling and arguing over a silly rule which nobody understood anyway) the Dungeon Master is the person who will be the story teller, the one who will reward or punish players, is supposed to know the rules better than anyone else, place monsters and traps in front of the players, etc.
In french, Dungeon Master is "Maître du Donjon" or "Maître du jeu" (game master)
There is a PnP game "Donjon de Naheulbeuk"
3. It's not related to Dungeon Master, the video game released in 1987
4. The Naheulband has a song or two about this precise game.

The serie is written, mixed and narrated by John Lang aka Pen of Chaos, since the "donjon de naheulbeuk" became really famous with comics, merchandise and whatnot, he created in 2002 the Naheulband who now has 3 full albums full of heroic-fantasy songs all more ridiculous as the next and they're frequently touring France, Switzerland, Belgium and Canada.
In 2006, some members of Naheulband created a side band called Belyscendre with whom they collaborate from time to time.

As of now, the audio serie is on hold (been for a while) but the story continues in the comics (kind of).

[webbiewebs3]

Yes, to me, a person not steeped in any particular lore of dungeons, this game's universe, or Dungeons and Dragons, the use of the term "dungeon" for something that looks like a castle or tower is a bit confusing. When the mission was "place a guard room near the dungeon entrance" I was looking for an entrance on a lower level, figuring the top floor was sort of the living quarters. The entrance has a drawbridge, something I associate more with a castle than a dungeon.

I pretty much just figured, well, the characters in the game so far have all entered through only one door, so maybe that is it. I put my guard room next to it and luckily I was correct in my choice.

[Mesarthim]

What do you mean the lore of dungeons? It's a translation problem as I explained above.
You don't need lore to know what a dungeon is about, do you?

This game's universe is it's own, there aren't any lore related to D&D or anything else whatsoever.

The serie has it's own universe, own lands, characters and monsters even if from far away it might look like D&D.

[Bobby]

I’ve described it perfectly well. If you cannot differentiate what the point I’m getting at, it’s your problem. Clue I don’t care what the *obvious* term for a dungeon is in a particular language. This is about a game using the name of a well known title to draw attention to it in a search engine.
Likewise, I want to sell a shop delivery simulator, so I brand it ‘Need For Speed Shopping’. What does that immediately conjure up? Get my ‘drift’, it brings people unexpectedly to a title that may pique their interest out of the blue. I’ve not broken anything by doing so, but cleverly tagged it to come up as I want to take food orders and deliver them to peoples homes before the food gets rotten. So ‘Home shopping Simulator’ isn’t going to catch many searches…..

[Scarab-Phoenix]

Originally posted by Bobby:

This is about a game using the name of a well known title to draw attention to it in a search engine.

Again, you probably won't care (again), but the original Naheulbeuk setting/campain (going back to at least 2001) was greatly inspired by Dungeon Keeper among many other things (Conan the Barbarian, Lord of the Rings, fantasy in general, DnD/online games, French cuisine, Warhammer, etc., etc.) as well as parodied all these things.
So creating a whole new game about managing the same dungeon/donjon/tower that was at the center of the original campaign for at least 22 years now isn't some attempt to draw attention (what a stupid idea), it's just the history went full circle with the natural evolution of ideas that were boiling for 22 years in John Lang's head.
Again, the original audio series parodied the typical adventures of a party that is going inside an evil dungeon ("dungeon" in a MMO/tabletop sense, like I said right at the beginning) to raid and loot it. It is far from being the only reference to the MMO/tabletop slang, that's why it repeats the "mistake" of calling a donjon a dungeon.

[Kaezeribato]

Originally posted by Bobby:

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Okay, another who's missed the obvious clue.
Dungeon is an overly used name about a world famous PC game by BullFrog which defined the genre. Since then every PC game and it's granny has tried to sell anything with *chickens* in it, cauldrons, training rooms, beer, mining, making traps and spells and imps with the tagline 'Dungeon' in it.
Nobody cares about where it originates from, it's the obvious selling point from where it originates from.
Tower Defence is an obvious reference to this, but that doesn't sell...

This game is made by a Dungeons and Dragon fan...
"Le donjon de Naheulbeuk" is an audio serie made in the early 2000, it was a mix of comedy and table top RPG.
So the word Dungeon come from literaly the name of the audio serie and Dungeons & Dragon.
You're the one who missed an obvious clue.