Songhai is disgusting and needs to be nerfed.

[Big Bird]

Card draw in a spell-high combo deck is imperative. And when you made the changes to have 2 cards drawn a turn, it is gotten even worse to compete against them. Without spending huge amounts of spirit by decrafting my entire roster of factions, I can't compete with common/uncommon card value than they can. Abyssian, my faction of choice, stands no chance. You can remove, you can reactivate units, you can snipe. Why am I gonna spend 4 mana on a dark seed spell to deal 5 damage to them for the turn, for them to counter with 4-6 spells in the same turn. I put one creature that when it strikes and deals damage, make spikes. Its 5 mana. They play a phoenix fire for 3 mana, and then strike it with their commander. Then play some 1-2 low mana creatures and now have incredible board control.
My only hope as Abyssian is spending 6-8 mana for the turn on ONE creature that MIGHT change the game. I'm hinging on my one card, and they have 6 ready to pop off for theirs.

Insane.

[BiuTze]

Have you considered something like darkfire sacrifice into archon spellbinder? :)

[Big Bird]

Originally posted by BiuTze:

Have you considered something like darkfire sacrifice into archon spellbinder? :)

Not a bad strategy! Making their spells more expensive is nice. I think I still have a point that remains. Abyssian was supposed to design around swarming, and yet all my 1/1s die immediately out the gate, I don't have mana to afford for more than one creature and when I do its immediately killed or teleported away, and I can't play offensively. Unless you're crafting 923949 spirit with your wallet, you're ♥♥♥♥♥♥ for low-power abyssian. Every other faction succeeds in low-mana curve better than Abyssian does.

[My Killer Shack]

Originally posted by Big Bird:

Originally posted by BiuTze:

Have you considered something like darkfire sacrifice into archon spellbinder? :)

Not a bad strategy! Making their spells more expensive is nice. I think I still have a point that remains. Abyssian was supposed to design around swarming, and yet all my 1/1s die immediately out the gate, I don't have mana to afford for more than one creature and when I do its immediately killed or teleported away, and I can't play offensively. Unless you're crafting 923949 spirit with your wallet, you're ♥♥♥♥♥♥ for low-power abyssian. Every other faction succeeds in low-mana curve better than Abyssian does.

its funny, I see everyone complaining about the faction that counters them

[BiuTze]

Abyssian is one of my favorite factions as well. Swarming is hard work, most factions have hard counters to it, and honestly it would be too easy if they didn't. Just need to find ways to make it work, cards like dark solus, shadowdancer, deathfire crescendo, shadow watcher to work with the swarm synergy. Ritual banishing and nightsorrow assassin spectral blade are all nice to include. :D

[Big Bird]

I just wish there was less board-wipes that every faction seems to have in their kit. Leonar, Songhai and Magmar all can remove all of the wraithlings that make it pointless to even play them.

[wurmtoken]

I don't know much about balance, but Songhai is definitely the most frustrating faction to play against. The fact they can dump their whole hand in an immediately activated combo and still have 6 cards by the end of their turn while I play mayyybe 3 cards max makes it feel like I'm watching them play single-player lol. Most disgusting thing I've seen so far was one playing the flying backstabber turn three and immediately activate it three times for the instakill. Definitely unfun to play against.

[Priestly]

Originally posted by My Killer Shack:

its funny, I see everyone complaining about the faction that counters them

Songhai doesn't 'counter' any faction specifically, nor is it countered by any other faction.
It's a faction specifically designed to be completely uninteractive. It is the only faction that doesn't have to care about board positioning at all. All their damage comes from hand or from passive effects. As such it is impossible to counter it except through healing, which is limited.
It is not the best faction necessarily as especially with a suboptimal deck (which most people are playing right now), it lacks consistency. But it is by far the easiest to play.
I was honestly expecting Dream Sloth to redesign the entire faction from the ground up when they acquired the license. It would have been much better to remove the spell/passive effects and focus more on the backstab identity of the faction.
The problem of non-interaction existed in this exact same way 10 years ago and this would have been the perfect opportunity to fix it. But alas...

[roreywood]

Songhai have seriously put me off this game ... I don't mind a challenge but I would say 6 out of 10 games are Songhai and they all do the Teleport turn 3 kill or endless 3 damage spells and just sit back with no effort .. painful to crawl up from Rank 20 to 14 only to loose again and again to Songhai all the way back down the Ranks again. I have won against Songhai .. but its only when they Rage quit because they dont get the right 3 cards at round 1 or once I start winning .. they concede.. they never stick around til the end, I clicked watch and selected Silver Rank and it was 3 quarters Songhai last night!

[TexRex]

Donghai Players are among the most brain dead. The class needs a hard rework, that's for sure.

[HighLanderPony]

Welcome to Duelyst. It's just how it works. I doubt it'll be changed.

Wraithlings getting AoE'd, eh? If the meta rejects your deck, switch decks. Or if you were overextending into AoE, play slower.

[roreywood]

I understand totally... just very very frustrating at times to say the least, I'm quite stubborn and didn't want to resort to the old "Can't beat em,join em" side of things. I do love the game , as I say, its just frustrating, I'm used to games that allow counter strategies across factions rather than simply resorting to changing factions. But a worthy discussion I thought worth adding my 2 Pence :)

[3XN BREACHER]

I saw enough matches where Songhai runs out of steam very quickly.
Just watch the last stream of Mogwai for example. His Vanar plays allways got the in the late game.

[Tathar]

I find damage being as good as healing against them. Though If you don't kill, they will.

[Arveno]

you don't understand, it takes a lot of skill to count to 25