this story makes no sense

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there is several things wrong with what going on here
i just give you couple examples which makes no sense to me


lets start from hugo strange in intro cutscene hes talking if batman will try to stop him he will tell everyone about who batman is .... and? all game batman trying to stop him and he just doesnt care at all
next thing what is really weird is joker has been infected and he can survive over 6 months with this poison without cure (so he probably dont need cure anyway and he dies at the end just because game logic)
and game trying to tell me batman cant even survive 2 hours with it ? waw
also this device which mr frezee gives you to stop hes weapon when penguin has it ... why we cant use it in boss fight when we fighting with mr freeze? and why mr frezee even tried create freeze granades? like he has laser which can freeze everything but NONO game needs to give batman new tool because plot O_O
DETAILS MAN THEY ARE IMPORTANT

[Valden21]

Okay, let's start at the beginning. Hugo Strange knows who Batman is, but he doesn't care that Batman's trying to stop him because of his absolute faith that his TRUE master, Ra's al'Ghul, will be there to stop Batman. In other words, his arrogance is keeping him from seeing the truth. Besides, outside the Bat-Family, only a very few people know his secret identity. Seriously, it's like less then ten people, AT MOST. To the world at large, Bruce Wayne's nothing more than a billionaire playboy with a huge philanthropy streak and a girl on each arm, so nobody would believe Hugo Strange.

Second, the Titan overdose. The Titan dose Joker received probably wasn't as virulent as the others, so it didn't take effect right away. That's why he was able to survive six months. As for why Batman was able to handle it, do you understand just how many times Batman has been poisoned during his career? He's probably built up an immunity to most of the poisons by the time the game takes place.

Finally, Mr. Freeze's disruptor. The reason you can't use the disruptor during the Mr. Freeze boss fight is because MR. FREEZE CREATED IT WHEN HE BUILT THE ARMOR! Mr. Freeze is almost as good at planning as Batman is, so there's no way he would give Batman something that can be used against him unless he had someway to counteract it. He gives you the freeze grenades because he's not that wordy a guy, and it's his way of apologizing.

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Originally posted by Valden21:

Okay, let's start at the beginning. Hugo Strange knows who Batman is, but he doesn't care that Batman's trying to stop him because of his absolute faith that his TRUE master, Ra's al'Ghul, will be there to stop Batman. In other words, his arrogance is keeping him from seeing the truth. Besides, outside the Bat-Family, only a very few people know his secret identity. Seriously, it's like less then ten people, AT MOST. To the world at large, Bruce Wayne's nothing more than a billionaire playboy with a huge philanthropy streak and a girl on each arm, so nobody would believe Hugo Strange.

Second, the Titan overdose. The Titan dose Joker received probably wasn't as virulent as the others, so it didn't take effect right away. That's why he was able to survive six months. As for why Batman was able to handle it, do you understand just how many times Batman has been poisoned during his career? He's probably built up an immunity to most of the poisons by the time the game takes place.

Finally, Mr. Freeze's disruptor. The reason you can't use the disruptor during the Mr. Freeze boss fight is because MR. FREEZE CREATED IT WHEN HE BUILT THE ARMOR! Mr. Freeze is almost as good at planning as Batman is, so there's no way he would give Batman something that can be used against him unless he had someway to counteract it. He gives you the freeze grenades because he's not that wordy a guy, and it's his way of apologizing.

i understand everything expet final part
my question was why he was creating weapon which works worse than weapons which he already have
oh i know why cuz game want gives batman new things

[Valden21]

Ah, that's easy enough to explain; it's because Mr Freeze loves his wife just that much. He wants to be somewhere where he can always keep her safe, and the abandoned GCPD HQ is perfect for that. If Freeze leaves that location, he can't protect her as well, but Batman can go where Freeze can't. So they can help each other; Mr Freeze can work on the cure to Titan, and Batman can keep people distracted.

[Tenhys]

Originally posted by the voice:

lets start from hugo strange in intro cutscene hes talking if batman will try to stop him he will tell everyone about who batman is .... and? all game batman trying to stop him and he just doesnt care at all

Simple. Hugo Strange's threat of "revealing Batman's identity" was simply a Bluff/Taunt.

You have to remember two things :

First, Hugo Strange deduced Batman's identity using advanced psychological profiling. As such, Strange knows exactly that Batman do not back down from threats and instead take them on. That was his way of both introducing himself to Bruce Wayne and challenging him as Batman, which is what he was truly aiming for : proving to be better than Batman.

Second, Hugo Strange wasn't the mastermind behind Arkham City : Ra's Al-Ghul was. Ra's KNOWS Batman's secret identity and knew it long before Strange (after all, his daughter and Bruce had a child.) And Ra's ideal was to have Batman taking his place as successor of the League of Assassins, all for the ultimate goal of purging humanity from crime and leading it to a peaceful utopia, killing being part of the modus operandi (something Batman never agree with.)

So when Ra's discovered that Strange deduced Batman's identity and was very willing at proving himself to be a better successor to the league than Bruce Wayne, Ra's gave him his chance with Arkham City : if Protocol 10 was successful and Batman couldn't prevent it, Strange would succeed Ra's ; if Batman beat Strange, then Strange wasn't cut for the job and was to be casted aside. And Since it would hardly be a real match if Batman wasn't truly committed to it, Hugo Strange revealed to him that he knew who Bruce Wayne really was and dared him to stop him with that knowledge and additionnal pressure in mind.

Originally posted by the voice:

next thing what is really weird is joker has been infected and he can survive over 6 months with this poison without cure (so he probably dont need cure anyway and he dies at the end just because game logic)
and game trying to tell me batman cant even survive 2 hours with it ? waw

Joker had injected himself with a physical enhancing drug called "Titan", itself a profoundly modified version of a chemical compound called "Venom", itself a physicaly enhancing drug that boost the raw strangth of the user to high levels. Along the list of notorious effects that contribute to heavily modify the physiology of the user comes a non-exhaustive list of horrible secondary effects with it's usage : Death being one of them (you can see the first Titan user that Batman get's confronted with at the Asylum litteraly dying out of a violent aneurysm after a couple bouts.)

One thing to know about "Titan" is that it was originally created to correct one of the biggest flaws of using Venom : it renders the user completely dependent over it's use and require a constant supply of the stuff to even just staying alive. In theory, once completed, "Titan" would permanently alter the physiology of the user without necessiting constant "Venom" imput. Which explains the presence of Bane in both the Asylum and Arkham City (since multiple cannisters of "Titan" ended up here.)

But here's the deal about drug developpment : nothing ever goes according to plan and no drug ever comes without secondary effects. Absolutely. None. The real job and challenge in developping drugs consist in reducing secondary effects the the barest minimum more than actually doing it's stuff, otherwise the payoff gets systematically offset by the backlash... at least that the logic for sane people. Not the Joker. So when Joker developped "Titan" using some fo the datas from Dr.Young's researches, he did it and limited it's development with the mentality of "making monsters and have then not dying on me after ten minutes". And nothing else.

So what happened to Joker ? When he injected himself with his own brand of Titan to beat Batman, the clown litteraly ended up wrecking his own physiology on almost every front : his muscles, nerves, bones and, of course, immunitory defence system. He f*cked himself so hard that, even after getting brought back to size (no doubt with additionnal serum made by Batman after the fight) that whatever residual trace of the stuff was left in his blood stream ended up corrupting his metabolism even more (not unlike nuclear radiations poisoning) and made him fall sick afterwards.

"But how does it comes that Batman get sick and risk dying not even hours after being injected with Joker's blood when the clown litteraly lasted month ?" Simple : the crap that was killing Joker has been gestating for months inside his body before reaching life threatening levels (to give an analogy would be that in the first month it was Kaioken x10 and at the sixth it was super saiyan 3.) What Batman has been injected with was the crap as it's absolute worst.

Originally posted by the voice:

also this device which mr frezee gives you to stop hes weapon when penguin has it ... why we cant use it in boss fight when we fighting with mr freeze? and why mr frezee even tried create freeze granades? like he has laser which can freeze everything but NONO game needs to give batman new tool because plot O_O
DETAILS MAN THEY ARE IMPORTANT

During the fight with Dr.Freeze, you actually can use the jammer on Dr.Freeze's weapon. But it only work once because Freeze ain't incompetent : he modify the coding on his weapon to render the jammer inneficient on the fly (like changing the password on your computer after having been unlocked by someone else in front of you.) Also, the whole gimmick of this fight is that any kind of technique/tactic/gadget that works against him are "one time use". And after you've been using one method, he adapts to it and get rid of any element that would allow you to re-use it. Because "WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO THAT WHEN FIGHTING BATMAN ?!" right ?

Finally, about the Freeze grenades... that's just you ranting for the sake of ranting.

Here's a better question : why wouldn't he develop freeze grenades ? He developped a gun, then he developped hand explosives derivated from that technology. Isn't that exactly how it works in the military with gunpowder based weaponry and hand grenades ? Plus didn't the fight with Penguin showed that the freeze gun doesn't reach anything behind covers ? Isn't this the precise reason why we have grenade to begin with ?

Come on, man.

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Originally posted by Tenhys:

Originally posted by the voice:

lets start from hugo strange in intro cutscene hes talking if batman will try to stop him he will tell everyone about who batman is .... and? all game batman trying to stop him and he just doesnt care at all

Simple. Hugo Strange's threat of "revealing Batman's identity" was simply a Bluff/Taunt.

You have to remember two things :

First, Hugo Strange deduced Batman's identity using advanced psychological profiling. As such, Strange knows exactly that Batman do not back down from threats and instead take them on. That was his way of both introducing himself to Bruce Wayne and challenging him as Batman, which is what he was truly aiming for : proving to be better than Batman.

Second, Hugo Strange wasn't the mastermind behind Arkham City : Ra's Al-Ghul was. Ra's KNOWS Batman's secret identity and knew it long before Strange (after all, his daughter and Bruce had a child.) And Ra's ideal was to have Batman taking his place as successor of the League of Assassins, all for the ultimate goal of purging humanity from crime and leading it to a peaceful utopia, killing being part of the modus operandi (something Batman never agree with.)

So when Ra's discovered that Strange deduced Batman's identity and was very willing at proving himself to be a better successor to the league than Bruce Wayne, Ra's gave him his chance with Arkham City : if Protocol 10 was successful and Batman couldn't prevent it, Strange would succeed Ra's ; if Batman beat Strange, then Strange wasn't cut for the job and was to be casted aside. And Since it would hardly be a real match if Batman wasn't truly committed to it, Hugo Strange revealed to him that he knew who Bruce Wayne really was and dared him to stop him with that knowledge and additionnal pressure in mind.

Originally posted by the voice:

next thing what is really weird is joker has been infected and he can survive over 6 months with this poison without cure (so he probably dont need cure anyway and he dies at the end just because game logic)
and game trying to tell me batman cant even survive 2 hours with it ? waw

Joker had injected himself with a physical enhancing drug called "Titan", itself a profoundly modified version of a chemical compound called "Venom", itself a physicaly enhancing drug that boost the raw strangth of the user to high levels. Along the list of notorious effects that contribute to heavily modify the physiology of the user comes a non-exhaustive list of horrible secondary effects with it's usage : Death being one of them (you can see the first Titan user that Batman get's confronted with at the Asylum litteraly dying out of a violent aneurysm after a couple bouts.)

One thing to know about "Titan" is that it was originally created to correct one of the biggest flaws of using Venom : it renders the user completely dependent over it's use and require a constant supply of the stuff to even just staying alive. In theory, once completed, "Titan" would permanently alter the physiology of the user without necessiting constant "Venom" imput. Which explains the presence of Bane in both the Asylum and Arkham City (since multiple cannisters of "Titan" ended up here.)

But here's the deal about drug developpment : nothing ever goes according to plan and no drug ever comes without secondary effects. Absolutely. None. The real job and challenge in developping drugs consist in reducing secondary effects the the barest minimum more than actually doing it's stuff, otherwise the payoff gets systematically offset by the backlash... at least that the logic for sane people. Not the Joker. So when Joker developped "Titan" using some fo the datas from Dr.Young's researches, he did it and limited it's development with the mentality of "making monsters and have then not dying on me after ten minutes". And nothing else.

So what happened to Joker ? When he injected himself with his own brand of Titan to beat Batman, the clown litteraly ended up wrecking his own physiology on almost every front : his muscles, nerves, bones and, of course, immunitory defence system. He f*cked himself so hard that, even after getting brought back to size (no doubt with additionnal serum made by Batman after the fight) that whatever residual trace of the stuff was left in his blood stream ended up corrupting his metabolism even more (not unlike nuclear radiations poisoning) and made him fall sick afterwards.

"But how does it comes that Batman get sick and risk dying not even hours after being injected with Joker's blood when the clown litteraly lasted month ?" Simple : the crap that was killing Joker has been gestating for month inside his body before reaching life threatening levels (to give an analogy would be that in the first month it was Kaioken x10 and at the sixth it was super saiyan 3.) What Batman has been injected with was the crap as it's absolute worst.

Originally posted by the voice:

also this device which mr frezee gives you to stop hes weapon when penguin has it ... why we cant use it in boss fight when we fighting with mr freeze? and why mr frezee even tried create freeze granades? like he has laser which can freeze everything but NONO game needs to give batman new tool because plot O_O
DETAILS MAN THEY ARE IMPORTANT

During the fight with Dr.Freeze, you actually can use the jammer on Dr.Freeze's weapon. But it only work once because Freeze ain't incompetent : he modify the coding on his weapon to render the jammer inneficient on the fly (like changing the password on your computer after having been unlocked by someone else in front of you.) Also, the whole gimmick of this fight is that any kind of technique/tactic/gadget that works against him are "one time use". And after you've been using one method, he adapts to it and get rid of any element that would allow you to re-use it. Because "WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO THAT WHEN FIGHTING BATMAN ?!" right ?

Finally, about the Freeze grenades... that's just you ranting for the sake of ranting.

Here's a better question : why wouldn't he develop freeze grenades ? He developped a gun, then he developped hand explosives derivated from that technology. Isn't that exactly how it works in the military with gunpowder based weaponry and hand grenades ? Plus didn't the fight with Penguin showed that the freeze gun doesn't reach anything behind covers ? Isn't this the precise reason why we have grenade to begin with ?

Come on, man.

ok ii said that was couple examples bout main lore but i can say little more about how story of this game makes no sense

for example explain me this :
we later in game find out that clayface is the fake joker covering up for the eill real joker and in flashback scene we can see that real joker was still alive on whelechair
HOWEVER IN CUTSCENE where harley queen crying and talking how joker died
joker that you seen here is in fact real joker and as you can see from batman detective mode scanning it clearly says that hes deceased so WHAT HAPPENING HERE? AND HOW THIS IS POSSIBLE?

[Tenhys]

Originally posted by the voice:

HOWEVER IN CUTSCENE where harley queen crying and talking how joker died
joker that you seen here is in fact real joker and as you can see from batman detective mode scanning it clearly says that hes deceased so WHAT HAPPENING HERE? AND HOW THIS IS POSSIBLE?

Same as Snake in Metal Gear 3 : he simply used something to artificially reduces his heartbeat to near flatline, giving off the impression that he was dead (something akin to tetrodotoxin.) Once Batman was unconscious, the real Joker took something to re-jump his heartbeat to normal
level and the scenes ensued as it happened.

Granted, it's pretty crazy stuff. But it's Joker : when it comes to make a joke, he doesn't go by half measure.

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Originally posted by Tenhys:

Originally posted by the voice:

HOWEVER IN CUTSCENE where harley queen crying and talking how joker died
joker that you seen here is in fact real joker and as you can see from batman detective mode scanning it clearly says that hes deceased so WHAT HAPPENING HERE? AND HOW THIS IS POSSIBLE?

Same as Snake in Metal Gear 3 : he simply used something to artificially reduces his heartbeat to near flatline, giving off the impression that he was dead (something akin to tetrodotoxin.) Once Batman was unconscious, the real Joker took something to re-jump his heartbeat to normal
level and the scenes ensued as it happened.

Granted, it's pretty crazy stuff. But it's Joker : when it comes to make a joke, he doesn't go by half measure.

also joker said he was sending own poisoned blood to hospitals through weeks
now there is couple problems with this
1 they must have really pathetic hospitals if they didnt checking quality of blood which they have for ills
2 if he really doing that through weeks there should be some victims already and that again only should do what i said before about checking quality of blood in hospitals
3 if joker dies at the end cuz batman has no cure anymore everyone poisoned by joker also dies

DETAILS MAN THEY ARE IMPORTANT

[Tenhys]

Originally posted by the voice:

also joker said he was sending own poisoned blood to hospitals through weeks
now there is couple problems with this
1 they must have really pathetic hospitals if they didnt checking quality of blood which they have for ills

Nearly as pathetic as the police forces, army and justice department that keeps on releasing the criminals caught by Batman, you mean ? Or maybe the same kind of Hospital where Joker (Health Ledger's) found Harvey Dent by disguising himself as a nurse to infiltrate the place and have a chat with the soon to be Two-Face ?

I guess i can only say : Welcome to Gotham.

Originally posted by the voice:

2 if he really doing that through weeks there should be some victims already and that again only should do what i said before about checking quality of blood in hospitals

First : didn't i previously mentionned how the infection got worse the more time it gestated inside Joker's body ? "Spending weeks" (plural) shipping blood means that the samples were of inferior lethality than the one Batman was injected with (A.K.A. freshly warm.) Second, blood stocking is done in a cold environment to preserve it (otherwise it rots.) And the longer blood is stocked, the less efficient it becomes for tranfusion (the flexibility of red cells to transmit oxygen gets severly diminished as times pass, for example.) There's no guarantees that the toxicity of Joker's blood samples was kept all time high under those circumstances.

Second, even if it is Joker, he's still only a human : there's a limit to how much blood can be extracted from his body to carry on his plan and you need litteraly MONTHS between blood donations to recuperate at full capacity (and that is for someone healthy.) Because if he insist too much, Joker or not, he'll die.

So the most likely explanation is that he only extracted a reasonable amount of blood once or twice (no more) and took smaller amount from said collect to inject and infect healthy blood pockets in hospitals. Considering that too little would result in having no effect at all and too much would reduce the amount of blood pocket he could infect, it's reasonable to think that only a very restricted number of blood banks have been raided by Joker and, that amongst them, even a smaller amount of blood was actually dangerous for injection. Couple that to the sane blood present in blood banks at all time and it's basically like winning the worst prize at a lottery.

Finally, since what poisonned the Joker during Arkham City wasn't a bacteria nor a virus but an unique chemical compound, we have litteraly no idea of how it becomes affected by changes of temperatures below that of the human body or when exposed to other substances (such as the Lazarus pit in case of Batman.) The only answer we got to that question came later in "Arkham Knight" : it doesn't kill people anymore, it litteraly turns them into Joker. That's how toxic the guy is.

Originally posted by the voice:

3 if joker dies at the end cuz batman has no cure anymore everyone poisoned by joker also dies

Like mentionned above, not necessarily. Batman cured himself from the most poisonuous aspect of the infection : the Titan poisoning. However, nothing tells you or me that, after Joker got poisonned by the Titan he didn't actually catch something else on top of that (virus or bacteria for example) and that said secondary infection ended up mutating because of the residue of "Titan" gestating in his body, causing this unique strend of "Creutzfeld-Jacob" disease we see in Arkham Knight.

In layman's terms : Joker did steroids. Along doing steroids, he wrecked his immunitory defence system and caught herpes ; the herpes get boosted by steroids. Batman get's injected with Joker's blood (herpes + AIDS.) The Joker dies to herpes. The Batman cure himself from steroids but the boosted herpes keep around.

There you go.

[Valden21]

Originally posted by the voice:

Originally posted by Tenhys:

Same as Snake in Metal Gear 3 : he simply used something to artificially reduces his heartbeat to near flatline, giving off the impression that he was dead (something akin to tetrodotoxin.) Once Batman was unconscious, the real Joker took something to re-jump his heartbeat to normal
level and the scenes ensued as it happened.

Granted, it's pretty crazy stuff. But it's Joker : when it comes to make a joke, he doesn't go by half measure.

also joker said he was sending own poisoned blood to hospitals through weeks
now there is couple problems with this
1 they must have really pathetic hospitals if they didnt checking quality of blood which they have for ills
2 if he really doing that through weeks there should be some victims already and that again only should do what i said before about checking quality of blood in hospitals
3 if joker dies at the end cuz batman has no cure anymore everyone poisoned by joker also dies

DETAILS MAN THEY ARE IMPORTANT

Here's your answer to number 3) Do you understand that cures can be synthesized? Once Batman had the cure, he didn't inject himself with the cure right away. Oh no. He scanned its chemical makeup first, and sent that data to Oracle. Only then did he inject himself with it. In turn, SHE passed that data on to the hospitals, so they could get to work on making more of the cure.

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Originally posted by Valden21:

Originally posted by the voice:

also joker said he was sending own poisoned blood to hospitals through weeks
now there is couple problems with this
1 they must have really pathetic hospitals if they didnt checking quality of blood which they have for ills
2 if he really doing that through weeks there should be some victims already and that again only should do what i said before about checking quality of blood in hospitals
3 if joker dies at the end cuz batman has no cure anymore everyone poisoned by joker also dies

DETAILS MAN THEY ARE IMPORTANT

Here's your answer to number 3) Do you understand that cures can be synthesized? Once Batman had the cure, he didn't inject himself with the cure right away. Oh no. He scanned its chemical makeup first, and sent that data to Oracle. Only then did he inject himself with it. In turn, SHE passed that data on to the hospitals, so they could get to work on making more of the cure.

ok it make sense