Got to Ask, Why Smoke Jauguar.

[rman88]

Look, we all know the clans are in may ways Smooth brain barbarians that solve their problems by beating each other over the head with Advance weapons. But why would you pick Clan Smoke Jauguar.

First of all, when the time this story would actual take place. As i highly doubt it is during the clan invasion. Kinda hard to fight for revenge when your in invading force trying to remake the star league. But ya if it is after the invasion. we have a little problem.

Smoke Jaguar ceased to exist as a clan. Due to you know, the inner spear coming in and Nuking every single planet owned by the cat people. Guess you could say they were a little big angry at you know. Invading them and killing Untold amount of people.

Sure a few survived by they mostly live in exile. Combine this with the fact that Smoke Jaguar kinda got it worse in that Fable battle of Tukayyid.

For those who don't know the lore, Tukayyid is where Comstar Gave the clans a Big Middle finger and told them to fight them on this planet. That if they could take and hold these cities they would Lable the clan that did it King of the star league.

This was never actual going to happen regardless. As they would just nuke the planet into dust if they failed. But the clans being the Smooth brains they are. Took it hook line and sinker.

And being clans who enjoy a good bidding war. As they prizes things such as efficiency. The clans bidded to see who would go first. Claiming that they could conquer the planet with as little forces as possible.

Smoke Jaguar bidded the least amount of forces. So if i recall correctly they got to go first. and they lost 2/3 of their entire army.

Look they were the ones who who literately made an assault mech that needs jump jets to climb small hills. The Porsche's tiger if you will. Also known as the Stone Rhino, a mech built of a chassis that was Considered a failure and never made.

Like why did you pick this clan again?

[Alpha2518]

Because the story that is going to be told is still awesome and the other three main invading clans already had their own games. No blackpilling here by the way.

[Bovril Brigadier]

Unlike other invading Clans, Smoke Jaguars didn't have plot armour and had to earn their victories.

[rman88]

Issue is they kinda Didn't. Like before they Lost 2/3 of their armies. They were kinda Losing a lot. You know the whole shock and aww of the clan invasion was fading. And they were overextending themselves so much that even with all the high tech Gauss Rifles PPC ER lasers. Couldn't help them anymore more. AS The people of the inner spear learned how to fight them.

To the point that Smoke Jaguar Lost multiple systems before the battle of Tukayyid. This is they reason why they don't actual exist anymore.

Also on the topic of plot armor, Safe to say Only one clan had plot armor. That clan being Clan wolf. They had so much plot armor that they even had an empire at one point that rivaled the great houses. Before it all feel apart and yada yada.

They were also the only clan that didn't even want to invade. But ehh besides the point. As really their is like 20 other clans that most of them have little to none representation in game.

Only reason they chose smoke Jaguar as they Cease to exist. You know the perfect, You killed us all and now were out for revenge story line. Even thou it make absolutely no sense. As once smoke Jaguar was Nuked into oblivion. The Clans kinda gave up with their plans for war.

So its pretty much one smoke jaguar pilot vs the entire inner sphere...

[King Fossil]

Originally posted by rman88:

First of all, when the time this story would actual take place. As i highly doubt it is during the clan invasion.

You could have read the summary on the store page in a lot less time than it took to type the OP.

[rman88]

Ehh fair, i didn't read it. So yes it is during the clan invasion. Blame the trailer for not talking about driving a wedge into the inner sphere and Conquering Terra in order to bring kerensky vision of a united star league.

As really, what is their to gain vengeance over? Which mind you is the entire point of this game. How far will you go for revenge. How much humanity are you willing to give? Which mind you really isn't Much as what the clans were doing wasn't much different then anything else.

Battletech has always been a very very dark setting. Hell the entire reasons the clans exist to begin with is kerensky saw the star league was doomed. So he made a deal with comstar and Just Noped the ♥♥♥♥ out. Taking the entire Star league defense force and leaving forever.

Regardless thou the point was why Smoke Jaguar. As they are the worst most Brain dead clan to ever exist. Aka why in modern day battle tech they kinda don't exist. Which was the actual point of this thread.

[King Fossil]

The vengeance is against the corrupt tyrants who killed the Star League, obviously. (if you think there's a problem with any part of that sentence then you're a freebirth, stop being a freebirth)
Jags are fine. You can tell a good story with them if you try. The devs might not succeed since they're not the best writers but there's nothing wrong with the concept. Being evil/stupid doesn't mean they're bad to write about.

Also, the writers actually respawned the Jags. They exist again now. Kinda weird, but hey.

[Bovril Brigadier]

Originally posted by rman88:

Issue is they kinda Didn't. Like before they Lost 2/3 of their armies. They were kinda Losing a lot. You know the whole shock and aww of the clan invasion was fading. And they were overextending themselves so much that even with all the high tech Gauss Rifles PPC ER lasers. Couldn't help them anymore more. AS The people of the inner spear learned how to fight them.

To the point that Smoke Jaguar Lost multiple systems before the battle of Tukayyid. This is they reason why they don't actual exist anymore.

Also on the topic of plot armor, Safe to say Only one clan had plot armor. That clan being Clan wolf. They had so much plot armor that they even had an empire at one point that rivaled the great houses. Before it all feel apart and yada yada.

They were also the only clan that didn't even want to invade. But ehh besides the point. As really their is like 20 other clans that most of them have little to none representation in game.

Only reason they chose smoke Jaguar as they Cease to exist. You know the perfect, You killed us all and now were out for revenge story line. Even thou it make absolutely no sense. As once smoke Jaguar was Nuked into oblivion. The Clans kinda gave up with their plans for war.

So its pretty much one smoke jaguar pilot vs the entire inner sphere...

Clan Mary Sue has the plot armour dialed up to 11 but the other Clans were pretty much "I show up therefore I win" in a lot of cases when in some battles it clearly should have made Tukayyid look like a quiet summer picnic. Smoke Jaguar invasion corridor is a lot more interesting as they actually have to fight and some battles feel like they are even lifted off of a video game checklist. It's a much more bold and interesting choice from PGI and honestly one I would have picked myself.

[Spatan555]

Smoke Jaguar was the main antagonist in Mech Warrior 3 and Mech Commander Gold. So we're going to see the war from their perspective which makes it refreshing. They are the most brutal of the Clans.

[rman88]

First of all, the reason why the clans were so effective during the beginning of the clan invasion. Was first of all, they were fighting the equivalent of cave men. Yes the great houses were Kinda ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ when you think about it.

Hell, every single good mech that was created became lost tech. Due to the fact that only 1 factory in existence created them. And that factory got Nuked from orbit. The atlas 2, Highlander, King Crab, all became a dying bread. Meanwhile factories that produce things like Gauss rifles, Er weapons, Double heat sinks and the like. All of them got nuked from orbit as well.

Combine this with the fact that Production of mechs is insanely hard. Its a fascinating subject if you look into it. Where they literately need to create Metal muscles, aka myomers. Regardless thou compared to the clans they were kinda as i said above, cave men.

Combine this with the fact that the clans Knew everything about them due ot the Wolf Dragoons. A mercenary company which were comprised of clansmen pretending to be mercs.

They in all honesty really knew what they were doing. and the only reason they didn't win was due to Plot. As the leader of the clans was Killed due to a civilian ramming a ship into the flag ship of the clans.

This ironically gave the inner sphere time to first of all rebuild. Second to get their ♥♥♥♥ together. And third devise ways to counter them. Which is actual fairly easy. Clans rely heavily on speed, maneuverability and firepower. So all it takes is some good terrain and tactics and Bamp. Caveman Bash in skull of future solider only to steal his guns and mechs.

That said and the reason why i am so critical of this. Is first of all were not going to see that brutality. Hell i don''t even think the main character is a 10 foot tall human. Combine this with the fact that What we saw in that trailer was not Clan Smoke Jaguar.

Look at their mechs, Timberwolf, Summonor? These mechs are not even used by clan Smoke jaguar. Where is my Ebon Jaguar, Iron Cheetah, Lynx. Yes this clan has very dumb mech naming. But in the end you might as well be playing Clan wolf.

O, one last thing, Just to prove how cave man the Inner sphere is. The only new mech created sense the fall of the star league. Was the Hatchet men. Yep the mech which its most notable feature was the fact that it had an axe in one hand. Was the only thing they could come up with.

[MadWolf]

If we were not shown the iconic Smoke Jaguar mechs, it does not mean that they are not there. For example, there was already Arctic Cheetah. Moreover, all the Clans had some kind of mechs that were created at home. They took them as rewards for trials and the like. Here is the official BattleTech website, where you can see which mechs were used by one or another faction. Smoke Jaguar even had a Kodiak. And it's just a game.

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter

[MadWolf]

Now I will add on my own why Smoke Jaguar.
1. This is the main of the 4 Clans that does not have a campaign.
2. During Operation Revival, Smoke Jaguar has the most interesting and difficult corridor.
3 Smoke Jaguar are one of the main crusaders and the only ones who fully believed and followed the doctrine of Kerensky's hidden hope.
4. They are the only ones who confidently and diligently insisted on the invasion, plus they gave an example of proof that it was time for their IlkHan to be at the helm.
5. Probably only they, like the Jade Falcon, follow the true path of the Clans.
6. There are no good or bad people in the universe. Everything there is a shade of gray and everyone has their own story, with their own point of view. If Smoke Jaguar has been made a scapegoat, it does not mean that they are so bad or evil. It was necessary for the authors of the universe.
7. In this universe, you can tell about everyone, there are many interesting stories. Besides, from their point of view, there was no literature about the Smoke Jaguar. They deserve their story from themselves.
8. Smoke Jaguar live.

[MadWolf]

There is a lot of canon in the PGI videos about the new game and they are shown coolly. The characters also play well. It is advised to look at everything if someone has not seen and does not read the description of the game.

[isawaawasi5]

Every Clan uses the Timberwolf. It's too good to leave out of your toumen. I agree that the Ebon Jaguar needs to be included.

The main character is normal human height because he's a mechwarrior, not an elemental.

[Bovril Brigadier]

Originally posted by rman88:

First of all, the reason why the clans were so effective during the beginning of the clan invasion. Was first of all, they were fighting the equivalent of cave men. Yes the great houses were Kinda ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ when you think about it.

Hell, every single good mech that was created became lost tech. Due to the fact that only 1 factory in existence created them. And that factory got Nuked from orbit. The atlas 2, Highlander, King Crab, all became a dying bread. Meanwhile factories that produce things like Gauss rifles, Er weapons, Double heat sinks and the like. All of them got nuked from orbit as well.

Combine this with the fact that Production of mechs is insanely hard. Its a fascinating subject if you look into it. Where they literately need to create Metal muscles, aka myomers. Regardless thou compared to the clans they were kinda as i said above, cave men.

Combine this with the fact that the clans Knew everything about them due ot the Wolf Dragoons. A mercenary company which were comprised of clansmen pretending to be mercs.

They in all honesty really knew what they were doing. and the only reason they didn't win was due to Plot. As the leader of the clans was Killed due to a civilian ramming a ship into the flag ship of the clans.

This ironically gave the inner sphere time to first of all rebuild. Second to get their ♥♥♥♥ together. And third devise ways to counter them. Which is actual fairly easy. Clans rely heavily on speed, maneuverability and firepower. So all it takes is some good terrain and tactics and Bamp. Caveman Bash in skull of future solider only to steal his guns and mechs.

That said and the reason why i am so critical of this. Is first of all were not going to see that brutality. Hell i don''t even think the main character is a 10 foot tall human. Combine this with the fact that What we saw in that trailer was not Clan Smoke Jaguar.

Look at their mechs, Timberwolf, Summonor? These mechs are not even used by clan Smoke jaguar. Where is my Ebon Jaguar, Iron Cheetah, Lynx. Yes this clan has very dumb mech naming. But in the end you might as well be playing Clan wolf.

O, one last thing, Just to prove how cave man the Inner sphere is. The only new mech created sense the fall of the star league. Was the Hatchet men. Yep the mech which its most notable feature was the fact that it had an axe in one hand. Was the only thing they could come up with.

Honestly there is so much wrong here I am not sure where to begin.

The Clans were fighting backwaters initially but they quickly ran into veteran regiments who were entrenched who should have known what they were doing. When a couple of cops with a UrbanMech is able to inflict more damage on a trinary than an entire regiment full of vets from the War of 3039 who have experience dealing with a foe with a technological edge then you start to question what in Kerenskys balls is going on?

SLDF 2750 Regular Mechs were back in production by the late 3040's and the parts were actually available earlier, most notably regiments that had stockpiles of old Star League Mechs were retrofitting them back to their original specs though for most part this mainly tended to be Mercenaries and it was mostly everyone converting back to HGN-732's. House Kurita also had stockpiles leftover from 3039. DHS, Gauss, LBX-10's etc were creeping in during the 3030's nevermind 3040's. Atlas II line was destroyed during the Amaris Coup btw, not Succession Wars, and even then doesn't hold a candle to designs like the Devastator DVS-2 which were trickling into frontline by late 3040's.

Innersphere post 3028 is a completely different beast to pre-3028. Industrial capacity is greatly increased and why the of War of 3039 saw such a huge shift in strategy since Commanders were willing to be more aggressive and commit more forces as they knew they could get replacement Mechs.

Clans knew about the Inner Sphere up to a point, afterwards the Wolf Dragoons went completely dark and cut off. Clans only found out that the Inner Sphere was recovering due to some Comstar boys stumbling into the Smoke Jaguars.

When it comes to warfare, no the Clans did not know what they were doing. They knew how to sealclub and that was it. When it came to combined arms fullscale warfare they were sent running and they never had the numbers to truly commit to a proper battle. Hell a single massed Aerospace assault would have been all it took to stop the invasion in its tracks but those assets were spread out well across the Inner Sphere at this stage and speaking of Aerospace, Tyra Miraborg is a civilian now?

It wasn't about giving the Inner Sphere needing time to rebuild but time to redeploy. Tactics or not in end boils down to a numbers game and the Clan military is tiny. At Tukayyid Clan Jade Falcon was only able to scrounge up around 807 Mechs, 1285 Elementals and 469 Aerospace to fight with, with a full third of the Mechs and Aerospace being no better than what the Inner Sphere had in 3025 as they brought in their garrison units as well. They are meant to be a large Clan and that's all they can afford to spare; meanwhile the FedCom have over 50 RCT's alone that they can afford to throw into a melee if they really want to without depleting their garrisons.

At what point did Clanners become 10 feet tall? Average Clan Mechwarrior looks pretty much human with only Elementals becoming your muscle mommies in case of the Ghost Bears?

Pretty much all Clan designs are for most part shared amongst Clans with some designs being used more than others. Not sure where you are even going with this, it's more use what you want affair and more designs have been shown in trailers/gameplay footage.

As for your last point, just going to ignore designs like the Axman, Caesar, Mauler, Hatamoto-Chi, Wolfhound, Wolf Trap etc are we? Plus all the new variants made using lostech that were appearing some even on the frontlines well before 3049. Missed out the Grand Dragon here as can argue its a variant even when there is enough subtle differences that it's not.

For everything else I direct to what MadWolf has said.

[AlZ101]

Here's hoping a mod comes out so we can play as IS and crush clanner scum.