This isn't what the Clans are

[Voyevoda]

Clanners are a ritualistic and tribal society incubated in combat and trials by fire. There's supposed to be a spiritual aspect to the Clanner Warrior and I dont get any of that from these characters.

This is supposed to be the Clans. Smoke Jaguar no less. Not Star Trek or whatever these people are supposed to represent. Clanners are arrogant and smug, pigheaded and ruthless. Why does the main cast act like they've just graduated high school or something?

I hate that these are the optics that the Clans are going to have as a future.

GAME: UNCLANLIKE
PGI: DEZGRA

[BrowneHawk]

Looks like sweet baby inc got their teeth into this one. Shame.

[Random Asshole]

>Why do they act like they just graduated High School

Because they are cadets straight out of a Sibco, as we see in the first mission. And they don't act all that differently to how Clanners acted in the Blood of Kerensky and Jade Phoniex Trilogies. The only thing they don't do on screen that is accurate to those novels is we dont see Smoke Jaguars sexually assaulting one another or knocking up their sister.

People have a strange view on the Clans, especially if they haven't reread the Clan novels in a while. They aren't ritualistic super warriors, they are Inbred young Psychopaths in a Military Cult with access to bleeding edge tech and nothing else to do but train, and those who are more ritualistic or spiritual are looked down upon, hence why Sky Cobra is the only Clan that is actually religious.


Nothing shown in the game is inaccurate to Smoke Jaguar or Battletech Canon. Hell its probably the single most lore friendly Mechwarrior game that has ever come out

[Gasaraki]

Huh? The main cast ARE high school students. You know what cadets are? The other characters are not arrogant, smug, pigheaded and ruthless enough for you?

[Voyevoda]

Originally posted by Random ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

>Why do they act like they just graduated High School

Because they are cadets straight out of a Sibco, as we see in the first mission. And they don't act all that differently to how Clanners acted in the Blood of Kerensky and Jade Phoniex Trilogies. The only thing they don't do on screen that is accurate to those novels is we dont see Smoke Jaguars sexually assaulting one another.

People have a strange view on the Clans, especially if they haven't reread the Clan novels in a while. They aren't ritualistic super warriors, they are Inbred young Psychopaths in a Military Cult with access to bleeding edge tech and nothing else to do but train, and those who are more ritualistic or spiritual are looked down upon, hence why Sky Cobra is the only Clan that is actually religious.


Nothing shown in the game is inaccurate to Smoke Jaguar or Battletech Canon. Hell its probably the single most lore friendly Mechwarrior game that has ever come out

Fundamentally disagree with this assessment on a subjective level. From birth to childhood Sibkin are brutally trained before they even have the chance to see real combat. That kind of culture and lifestyle would not produce the kinds of personalities we see in the main cast. Theyre immature and unsure of themselves.

You can look at the copypasted sarna article dialogue and pass it off as "accurate" I guess, but the tone completely misses the mark of what the Clans are all about. Smoke Jaguar least of all would give two ♥♥♥♥♥ about protecting civilians or prisoners or whatever (Turtle Bay anyone?). Are we just going to conveniently forget that the Inner Sphere fought guerrilla campaigns throughout the entirety of the Clan Invasion? The Clans are not good, kind hearted virtue signaling whiners, Smoke Jaguar least of all. The warrior caste was born and bred for combat, biologically engineered to be the best of the best of the best.

Ritualism and Spiritualism =/= Religion. These are two different things youre comparing here. Clans were known to worship and draw on their totem animal for strength.

[Voyevoda]

Originally posted by Gasaraki:

Huh? The main cast ARE high school students. You know what cadets are? The other characters are not arrogant, smug, pigheaded and ruthless enough for you?

This is the problem. If you dont understand what a Trueborn Clan Warrior actually is then you wont see anything wrong with how theyre portrayed. Before a MechWarrior can even be considered part of the warrior cast they will have had to have undergone brutal training. and I mean *brutal*. The Clan warrior caste are not ordinary humans.

[SLDFMechwarrior]

Originally posted by BrowneHawk:

Looks like sweet baby inc got their teeth into this one. Shame.

Bye.

[Axiom808]

Originally posted by Voyevoda:

Originally posted by Random ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

>Why do they act like they just graduated High School

Because they are cadets straight out of a Sibco, as we see in the first mission. And they don't act all that differently to how Clanners acted in the Blood of Kerensky and Jade Phoniex Trilogies. The only thing they don't do on screen that is accurate to those novels is we dont see Smoke Jaguars sexually assaulting one another.

People have a strange view on the Clans, especially if they haven't reread the Clan novels in a while. They aren't ritualistic super warriors, they are Inbred young Psychopaths in a Military Cult with access to bleeding edge tech and nothing else to do but train, and those who are more ritualistic or spiritual are looked down upon, hence why Sky Cobra is the only Clan that is actually religious.


Nothing shown in the game is inaccurate to Smoke Jaguar or Battletech Canon. Hell its probably the single most lore friendly Mechwarrior game that has ever come out

Fundamentally disagree with this assessment on a subjective level. From birth to childhood Sibkin are brutally trained before they even have the chance to see real combat. That kind of culture and lifestyle would not produce the kinds of personalities we see in the main cast. Theyre immature and unsure of themselves.

I don't know where you're getting this from. Literally the first books ever written that introduce us to a sibko fresh out of their early training portray the characters nearly exactly like these guys. Some of them are more reserved and less confident, but overall they're cocky show boaters eager to make a name for themselves. There also isn't an ounce of reverence for spirituality in them.

[Voyevoda]

Originally posted by Axiom808:

Originally posted by Voyevoda:

Fundamentally disagree with this assessment on a subjective level. From birth to childhood Sibkin are brutally trained before they even have the chance to see real combat. That kind of culture and lifestyle would not produce the kinds of personalities we see in the main cast. Theyre immature and unsure of themselves.

I don't know where you're getting this from. Literally the first books ever written that introduce us to a sibko fresh out of their early training portray the characters nearly exactly like these guys. Some of them are more reserved and less confident, but overall they're cocky show boaters eager to make a name for themselves. There also isn't an ounce of reverence for spirituality in them.

Thats an interesting interpretation.

I dont know where youre getting *this* from.

Clan Warriors have a cultlike reverence for the founder, and their totem animal. The problem is youre saying a lot of things that are somewhat true but have no bearing on what im actually talking about. They live breath and die for Clan and Honor. The weak are intentionally weeded out so only the very best even live to see combat. Those who arent about that life wash out or are killed.

Idk what is so hard to understand about that concept. Perhaps the writers themselves dont understand the kind of person a training environment like that would produce? In a military setting the weak dont thrive, less so when you take a hyper-ritualistic culture like the clans.

[Random Asshole]

Originally posted by Voyevoda:

Originally posted by Axiom808:

I don't know where you're getting this from. Literally the first books ever written that introduce us to a sibko fresh out of their early training portray the characters nearly exactly like these guys. Some of them are more reserved and less confident, but overall they're cocky show boaters eager to make a name for themselves. There also isn't an ounce of reverence for spirituality in them.

I dont know where youre getting *this* from.

Lethal Heritage, Novel 1 in the Blood of Kerensky trilogy that follows the view point of Phelan Kell.

[Voyevoda]

Originally posted by Random ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

Originally posted by Voyevoda:

I dont know where youre getting *this* from.

Lethal Heritage, Novel 1 in the Blood of Kerensky trilogy that follows the view point of Phelan Kell.

"In the late 28th Century, the Star League collapsed and the Five Successor States were born. For the last three hundred years, these mortal enemies have fought over space, land, and politics but now a new threat looms just outside of the Inner Sphere. The descendants of an old Star League general -- The Clans -- have come to take what they believe to be rightly theirs. ***They have been bred into the best military force humanity has ever seen.*** The Clans have come to stay, and the Successor States must put aside their differences or face total destruction"

None of this alludes to the alternate interpretation that you are presenting tbh.

[Random Asshole]

Originally posted by Voyevoda:

Originally posted by Random ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

Lethal Heritage, Novel 1 in the Blood of Kerensky trilogy that follows the view point of Phelan Kell.

"In the late 28th Century, the Star League collapsed and the Five Successor States were born. For the last three hundred years, these mortal enemies have fought over space, land, and politics but now a new threat looms just outside of the Inner Sphere. The descendants of an old Star League general -- The Clans -- have come to take what they believe to be rightly theirs. ***They have been bred into the best military force humanity has ever seen.*** The Clans have come to stay, and the Successor States must put aside their differences or face total destruction"

None of this alludes to the alternate interpretation that you are presenting tbh.

You're quoting the basic summary of book one of three, each of which has almost or over 400 pages, and a synopsis meant to sell the novel.
I rather figure 1200+ pages may go a bit more indepth than a paragraph that acts as advertisement.

[Meat Puppet]

Originally posted by Voyevoda:

Originally posted by Random ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

Lethal Heritage, Novel 1 in the Blood of Kerensky trilogy that follows the view point of Phelan Kell.

"In the late 28th Century, the Star League collapsed and the Five Successor States were born. For the last three hundred years, these mortal enemies have fought over space, land, and politics but now a new threat looms just outside of the Inner Sphere. The descendants of an old Star League general -- The Clans -- have come to take what they believe to be rightly theirs. ***They have been bred into the best military force humanity has ever seen.*** The Clans have come to stay, and the Successor States must put aside their differences or face total destruction"

None of this alludes to the alternate interpretation that you are presenting tbh.

What books are YOU using for your sources on what life in a Sibko is like, how a fresh cadet will act? Because TBH, it really seems like you haven't read Blood of Kerensky at all, and that's one of the best representations of what Sibko life is like that I know of. So I want to know, what are your better sources?

[Random Asshole]

Originally posted by Meat Puppet:

Originally posted by Voyevoda:

"In the late 28th Century, the Star League collapsed and the Five Successor States were born. For the last three hundred years, these mortal enemies have fought over space, land, and politics but now a new threat looms just outside of the Inner Sphere. The descendants of an old Star League general -- The Clans -- have come to take what they believe to be rightly theirs. ***They have been bred into the best military force humanity has ever seen.*** The Clans have come to stay, and the Successor States must put aside their differences or face total destruction"

None of this alludes to the alternate interpretation that you are presenting tbh.

What books are YOU using for your sources on what life in a Sibko is like, how a fresh cadet will act? Because TBH, it really seems like you haven't read Blood of Kerensky at all, and that's one of the best representations of what Sibko life is like that I know of. So I want to know, what are your better sources?

He's probably basing it on a sourcebook

which in this case, sourcebooks are inuniverse reports by Comstar, so they are more failible than the Novels (which makes sense since the Writers of the novels worked with the Game Line Developers at FASA/WizKids/CGl)

[Voyevoda]

Originally posted by Random ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

Originally posted by Voyevoda:

"In the late 28th Century, the Star League collapsed and the Five Successor States were born. For the last three hundred years, these mortal enemies have fought over space, land, and politics but now a new threat looms just outside of the Inner Sphere. The descendants of an old Star League general -- The Clans -- have come to take what they believe to be rightly theirs. ***They have been bred into the best military force humanity has ever seen.*** The Clans have come to stay, and the Successor States must put aside their differences or face total destruction"

None of this alludes to the alternate interpretation that you are presenting tbh.

You're quoting the basic summary of book one of three, each of which has almost or over 400 pages, and a synopsis meant to sell the novel.
I rather figure 1200+ pages may go a bit more indepth than a paragraph that acts as advertisement.

Im quoting the source that you were quote tbh. I didnt mention the other novels because this was the one you were referring. Why move goalposts if the source your citing isnt sufficient in getting your point across?

[Random Asshole]

Originally posted by Voyevoda:

Originally posted by Random ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

You're quoting the basic summary of book one of three, each of which has almost or over 400 pages, and a synopsis meant to sell the novel.
I rather figure 1200+ pages may go a bit more indepth than a paragraph that acts as advertisement.

Im quoting the source that you were quote tbh. I didnt mention the other novels because this was the one you were referring. Why move goalposts if the source your citing isnt sufficient in getting your point across?

I cited the novel as a whole, not the synopsis. Hence "I rather figure 1200+ pages may go a bit more indepth than a paragraph that acts as advertisement. "