Choosing UE5 has effectively killed the launch.

[Jin]

UE5 games are literally a "be rich" engine. You either have a 4080/90 or you are forced to play on Low or Mid and stutter. This game will flop purely because the PC market is not ready for UE5 games. The average gamer does not have the hardware to play UE5 games smoothly. I am not gonna purchase a 1k € GPU just to play a 25h linear campaign game. Even if it's MechWarrior.

All they had to do is look at this chart: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

And realize that the majority of people have a GPU around Nvidia 3060, 6 Core CPUs and run at 1080p. And that's the culprit of the issue. UE5 Engine is not meant to run on those PC Specs, they are meant for High-End PC gaming, not low-mid end. The game has doomed itself for the next 2+ years until PC gaming has caught up and the average PC is an 8 Core and 4070ish CPU/GPU package.

Yet they chose to make a game that runs well on 10% of people's PCs rather than most of them. If you have powerful hardware, it will work well enough to play. But the vast majority of gamers will launch the game, think it's badly optimized and close/refund.

UE5 is not ready for 2024 at all, in 2-3 years UE5 will be fine for the majority, until then choosing UE5 will make your game flop hard.

Thoughts?

[talemore]

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Running fine for me apart from the usual traversal stutter.
I'm using a 5800X3D + 4070Ti everything on max, DLSS quality + framegen.

Did you just stutter

[Fiachra]

What a load of nonsense. Playing on a six year old PC, i5 8600K with an Nvidia Geforce 1080 and it runs perfectly smooth at 1080p and all settings except for textures at medium. Haven't had a single stutter or noticeable FPS drop.

The only part of my setup that matches the recommended specs is the memory which I doubled to 32 GB and an SSD, both upgrades I got in preparation for Baldur's Gate 3 last year. So certainly not a "be rich" engine.

[quixoticaxis]

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3090, runs like ♥♥♥♥ in 4k. The funny part is that the game does not max neither CPU, nor GPU while at it.

Turn on everything and it will.

DId it. It lags and stays below 60 frames, while CPU and GPU are nowhere near 100%.

[talemore]

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What a load of nonsense. Playing on a six year old PC, i5 8600K with an Nvidia Geforce 1080 and it runs perfectly smooth at 1080p and all settings except for textures at medium. Haven't had a single stutter or noticeable FPS drop.

The only part of my setup that matches the recommended specs is the memory which I doubled to 32 GB and an SSD, both upgrades I got in preparation for Baldur's Gate 3 last year. So certainly not a "be rich" engine.

The opposite. It's a too rich problem since it affects gen 13+ Intel CPU

[Last Seraph]

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What a load of nonsense. Playing on a six year old PC, i5 8600K with an Nvidia Geforce 1080 and it runs perfectly smooth at 1080p and all settings except for textures at medium. Haven't had a single stutter or noticeable FPS drop.

The only part of my setup that matches the recommended specs is the memory which I doubled to 32 GB and an SSD, both upgrades I got in preparation for Baldur's Gate 3 last year. So certainly not a "be rich" engine.

The hotfix fixed a good chunk of the issues.

[axium]

As opposed to what? Unity? Give me a break. Previous Piranha MW titles were all on UE. So this was a natural move. Did you want a small studio to switch engines or develop their own, instead of going with the next version up of the engine that they were already using? This argument doesn't make sense no matter how you want to look at it.

[Tr0w]

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Running fine for me apart from the usual traversal stutter.
I'm using a 5800X3D + 4070Ti everything on max, DLSS quality + framegen.

Did you just stutter

It's UE unfortunately so stutter is expected

[BoboMaximus]

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I’m playing on a 2080Ti with a 8086K CPU.

Draw distance maxed, most other settings I didn’t touch and were set to high. Medium shadows. DLSS balanced.

3440x1440p and it’s running great! It wasn’t out of the box, but that’s why we’re on PCs.

8GB VRAM is 8GB VRAM at the end of the day. Telling people that an 8GB 4070 is better than a 2080 Ti when in reality 8GB of VRAM and a crippled bus width are holding back the chipset. So you get these expensive GPUs that aren’t actually powerful because they’ve been gimped to force you up the product line.

You don’t have to be rich unless you want to not worry about settings in a brand new engine on an older graphics card. There’s no reason you can’t tune UE5 to perform well on your 20 or 30 series GPU, but if you’ve got 8GB VRAM why would you even think it’s gonna run high textures in a modern game? This has to run well across 6GB-24GB GPUs, so 8GB puts you in the low/medium texture range.

Your Vid and Cpu Retail is around $1100 new ? Thats Not counting the SSD Drive , RAM , Case , PSU . your looking at almost a $2000 system to play this? Its just not worth it. Its Not the game Play its the Cinematography why I cant run the Game.

[meatshieldChris]

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None here is that old. You talking about machine code age when the computer was nothing else than the command console.

What's new however is the meltdown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltdown_(security_vulnerability)
You can read about it yourself. How meltdown is a virus breach.

That is what we heading toward. That is the future.

uhh, I am that old. And given that the demographic for Battletech in general trends towards the older side, not sure what point you're making there. Also as a security engineer that has studied this class of vulnerability, I can't see how Meltdown nor Spectre or any of the similar class of silicon vulnerabilities have anything to do with UE5's performance. Unprivileged access to memory or processor cache has nothing to do with anything that is not malicious. Games do not intentionally attempt to do that.

[Specter222]

Agree 100%.
Just wish that there was some more discussion around this before this launch's "October Surprise."
Very sad.

[emp456]

Totally agree. Each UE5 game is a pain to run and the difference from UE4 graphics is not abysmal. Running a UE5 game on medium-high hardware (not top i mean) also means lighting and other effects are not appreciated or even count at all because have to be disabled so the difference is even less with the last UE4 games.

But the perfomance difference it's all that it should count, and it's mainly what differences a pc game from a console game, more than graphics more than anything, it's the unlocked fps. I prefer 100% to play any UE4 game with less top effects and graphics at 2k and >60 fps than to suffer any UE5 at 40 fps (being lucky) plus fps drops and stutter.

Edit: Oh and MW is already niche, mainly for fans (and i would say majority of fans are traditionally on PC) and releasing a new game with these requirements, it's making it even more niche. But hey, enjoy your console's money.

[SendarSlayer]

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UE5 games are literally a "be rich...

LOL.

I'm playing just fine on a seven year old machine running a 1080TI.

Yo same! Not even a TI version just a flat 1080.
I'm not running anything fancy except an M.2 SSD, and its Fine. Its not great, but I can play the game with basically no stutter.

[Morty2989]

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What a load of nonsense. Playing on a six year old PC, i5 8600K with an Nvidia Geforce 1080 and it runs perfectly smooth at 1080p and all settings except for textures at medium. Haven't had a single stutter or noticeable FPS drop.

The only part of my setup that matches the recommended specs is the memory which I doubled to 32 GB and an SSD, both upgrades I got in preparation for Baldur's Gate 3 last year. So certainly not a "be rich" engine.

Doesn't mention probably capped at 30 FPS.

The nonsense is being over spec and with up to date drivers and dipping down into the 20s when anything happens on screen.

[Valec]

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People like you really need to stop. If people's hardware meets the minimum requirements, the game should be playable.

End of story.

Nah Man. People need to be realistic in their expectations.
My logic flow for the question "Is it time to upgrade my pc?" goes something like this:
{start}
1. Can I play the latest game I want to play on Max/Ultra settings?
Yes = No upgrade
No = Lower game to High settings
-> Can I play the latest game I want to play on High settings?
Yes = No upgrade
No = Lower game to Mid settings
-> Can I play the latest game I want to play on Mid settings?
Yes = No upgrade
No = Lower game to low settings.
-> Time to upgrade.
{end}

Minimum specs = minimal settings. Can you run it? YES! (or the dev legit cant state it as the min requirement, they made it work on that testbed)

Will you be able to enjoy the content without experiencing graphical and system headaches? Not likely!

This isn't new news to anyone gaming on a pc since the advent of discrete video cards and the end of DOS gaming.

No. Everything you said after "nah man" is wrong. Yes man. That's what minimum requirements are for. If that cannot run the game, then the requirements need to be changed.

Not sure why you went into a rant on how you decide to upgrade your PC, it's entirely irrelevant.

Stop.

[disco_jones]

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No. Everything you said after "nah man" is wrong. Yes man. That's what minimum requirements are for. If that cannot run the game, then the requirements need to be changed.

Not sure why you went into a rant on how you decide to upgrade your PC, it's entirely irrelevant.

Stop.

Not sure why you want to act like an internet hero by swooping into posts, telling people their entire argument is garbage and declaring yourself a victor by saying "i'm right you're wrong, now stfu I win."

Buuuut that's about as old as the internet. Which is actually older than discrete video cards.

Try coming back when you have something constructive to add to the conversation other than "My argument is the right one stupid. Derp." (' ')7