Why Smoke Jaguar, a Universally disliked and Bloodthirsty Clan?

[TitanGear]

I was so interested when I saw CLANS... Brought back memories of my time from Mechwarrior 2 as a Wolf, Jade Falcon or Ghost Bear Trueborn. No you had to pick the clan that gets effectively erased due to their barbarism and sick tactics they used to attack their enemies. Did you try n take a page out of Disneys book and make the bad guys "Misunderstood" or relatable? This is right around the same vein as Naughty dog forcing us to play as the troll that killed Joel, "I cant remember her name and I aint looking it up" I highly reccomend yall consider adding more "CLANS" to your clan game otherwise this will be a hard pass for me.

[King Fossil]

Successor states spend decade blowing up (or just using biological/chemical weapons to kill everyone) planets and everyone's like "well don't do it again".
One Jag blows up one city and everyone acts like they're all satan.

This is fursecution. Don't pretend it's not. Completely unfair.

[MadWolf]

Originally posted by TitanGear:

I was so interested when I saw CLANS... Brought back memories of my time from Mechwarrior 2 as a Wolf, Jade Falcon or Ghost Bear Trueborn. No you had to pick the clan that gets effectively erased due to their barbarism and sick tactics they used to attack their enemies. Did you try n take a page out of Disneys book and make the bad guys "Misunderstood" or relatable? This is right around the same vein as Naughty dog forcing us to play as the troll that killed Joel, "I cant remember her name and I aint looking it up" I highly reccomend yall consider adding more "CLANS" to your clan game otherwise this will be a hard pass for me.

If you run into the Smoke Jaguars accusing them of "atrocities", then you don't know anything about the universe and other factions. There are no bad or good, evil or kind people in the universe, everyone is the same there and it depends on which side of the information is provided. There is not a single fiction in which it is objectively written about Smoky Jaguars from their point of view. But at the same time, for example, the House of Davion are considered saints and heroes, but the Dragon Syndicate and the House of Liao will disagree with this. The Great Houses destroyed many planets with orbital, nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons during the Heritage Wars. After that, they did not do this because they did not have warships, but after that they appeared and during the Jihad and other wars there were no less horrors. Two well-known Clans were absorbed, for some reason you do not scold the Wolves, or do you think the absorption of Clans is without victims? It is necessary to know the universe and there are many examples there. And the Smoky Jaguars were simply made scapegoats, because that's what the authors wanted.
Smoky Jaguars are "children" compared to Blake's Word and others at Home for their deeds. So explore the universe and don't follow myths and patterns.

I will even say more, there was a point in the orbital bombing of Turtle Bay, because the guerrilla war of the local population would not allow the planet to be controlled and the troops to be there. The civilians themselves went on the warpath, and for the clan it was nonsense and did not fit into their concepts.

[Digital Fulcrum]

I sure hope this isn't a "the villain is misunderstood" thing. I want to play as one of the most aggressive clans out there. It's about time we get some content through their perspective. Many other games used Smoke Jaguar (SJ) as their punching bag as a faceless villain.

I honestly think this might be a case that was similar to the first Twilight Of the Clans book, if I remember correctly. Is that a lot of the higher echelon leadership of SJ getting more aggressive and violent while you play as troopers in the front line thinking they're going too far and basically betraying the clan.

[Bovril Brigadier]

Sure, things are only bad if the Jags do it!

[The Jade Shadow]

I am pretty sure using "Misunderstood or Relatable" as hooks for characters pre-dates Disney. Aside from that I think if we really want more clan or battletech universe games, we cannot all freak out because Microsoft will just stop all the games from being made because they probably don't care why the games are not selling as much as they are not selling. Catch-22 really and the only solution is to write something better and we will pay you to play it.

[TitanGear]

Originally posted by Strayed:

Sure, things are only bad if the Jags do it!

Or Capellans, or Word of Blake >_>

[TitanGear]

Originally posted by King Fossil:

Successor states spend decade blowing up (or just using biological/chemical weapons to kill everyone) planets and everyone's like "well don't do it again".
One Jag blows up one city and everyone acts like they're all satan.

This is fursecution. Don't pretend it's not. Completely unfair.

Heyyy I'm not Furcist, My best friend is a podmate of the IlKhan of Clan Ghost Bear. Hell my Sister married a Freebirth Wolf that joined the Kell Hounds... Im just against those Jaguhores,

[TitanGear]

Originally posted by MadWolf:

Originally posted by TitanGear:

I was so interested when I saw CLANS... Brought back memories of my time from Mechwarrior 2 as a Wolf, Jade Falcon or Ghost Bear Trueborn. No you had to pick the clan that gets effectively erased due to their barbarism and sick tactics they used to attack their enemies. Did you try n take a page out of Disneys book and make the bad guys "Misunderstood" or relatable? This is right around the same vein as Naughty dog forcing us to play as the troll that killed Joel, "I cant remember her name and I aint looking it up" I highly reccomend yall consider adding more "CLANS" to your clan game otherwise this will be a hard pass for me.

If you run into the Smoke Jaguars accusing them of "atrocities", then you don't know anything about the universe and other factions. There are no bad or good, evil or kind people in the universe, everyone is the same there and it depends on which side of the information is provided. There is not a single fiction in which it is objectively written about Smoky Jaguars from their point of view. But at the same time, for example, the House of Davion are considered saints and heroes, but the Dragon Syndicate and the House of Liao will disagree with this. The Great Houses destroyed many planets with orbital, nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons during the Heritage Wars. After that, they did not do this because they did not have warships, but after that they appeared and during the Jihad and other wars there were no less horrors. Two well-known Clans were absorbed, for some reason you do not scold the Wolves, or do you think the absorption of Clans is without victims? It is necessary to know the universe and there are many examples there. And the Smoky Jaguars were simply made scapegoats, because that's what the authors wanted.
Smoky Jaguars are "children" compared to Blake's Word and others at Home for their deeds. So explore the universe and don't follow myths and patterns.

I will even say more, there was a point in the orbital bombing of Turtle Bay, because the guerrilla war of the local population would not allow the planet to be controlled and the troops to be there. The civilians themselves went on the warpath, and for the clan it was nonsense and did not fit into their concepts.

I just feel if they are going to name it "Clans" they should have more clan options than the Jags, Heck ill take all the Crusader clans if need be. Just seems like a writing dead-end to follow only the clan that gets systematically erased from the Inner Sphere. I guess it works for a standalone DLC.

[MadWolf]

Originally posted by TitanGear:

Originally posted by MadWolf:

If you run into the Smoke Jaguars accusing them of "atrocities", then you don't know anything about the universe and other factions. There are no bad or good, evil or kind people in the universe, everyone is the same there and it depends on which side of the information is provided. There is not a single fiction in which it is objectively written about Smoky Jaguars from their point of view. But at the same time, for example, the House of Davion are considered saints and heroes, but the Dragon Syndicate and the House of Liao will disagree with this. The Great Houses destroyed many planets with orbital, nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons during the Heritage Wars. After that, they did not do this because they did not have warships, but after that they appeared and during the Jihad and other wars there were no less horrors. Two well-known Clans were absorbed, for some reason you do not scold the Wolves, or do you think the absorption of Clans is without victims? It is necessary to know the universe and there are many examples there. And the Smoky Jaguars were simply made scapegoats, because that's what the authors wanted.
Smoky Jaguars are "children" compared to Blake's Word and others at Home for their deeds. So explore the universe and don't follow myths and patterns.

I will even say more, there was a point in the orbital bombing of Turtle Bay, because the guerrilla war of the local population would not allow the planet to be controlled and the troops to be there. The civilians themselves went on the warpath, and for the clan it was nonsense and did not fit into their concepts.

I just feel if they are going to name it "Clans" they should have more clan options than the Jags, Heck ill take all the Crusader clans if need be. Just seems like a writing dead-end to follow only the clan that gets systematically erased from the Inner Sphere. I guess it works for a standalone DLC.

First of all, the Smoke Jaguars were resurrected, didn't you know? They live and have been forgiven everything. The story goes on. And secondly, we have a game not about the fate of the Clan, but about Operation Rebirth through the eyes of an ordinary mechwarrior / commander of the star. The fact that you don't like him is already a personal preference, but this is the main Crusader Clan and thanks to them, Operation Rebirth began. Read the developer interviews if you are not familiar with lore.

And the most important thing. It's just a game about a fictional story. In the same way, you can whine about games about ancient states that do not exist, etc. In general, keep your wishes to yourself. If you don't like it, don't buy or play. Nothing can be changed now. The path is selected. We need to take life more calmly.

[Casino]

They're my favorite clan. I like 'foil'-type factions which ware generally the ones that make things happen in a setting. Doesn't hurt that the Warhawk is one of my favorite mechs, either!

[AlZ101]

"There are no bad or good, evil or kind people in the universe, everyone is the same there and it depends on which side of the information is provided."

Have to disagree with this. The "everything is relative" perspective is probably the most boring and uninteresting one you can take. Everyone's the same, no actions are bad or good etc etc... *yawn* no thanks. What's even the point about fighting with one side or the other, since everyone's the same you might as well switch sides on a whim, which gives me zero stakes in "my side". "everyone's the same" so who cares who wins? Terrible narrative choice if that's what they're going for.

[Bovril Brigadier]

In Battletech everyone is a bit of a bastard, but some people are bigger bastards than others.

[Jebe457]

Lyran Commonwealth opens up the Succession Wars by Nuking a Planet into being delisted, because it wasn't capitulating fast enough. A planet they owned prior to the Star League, and on paper were trying to reabsorb.

OP:
All hail the Benevolent Compassionate Lyrans!


The Lyran Commonwealth after launching the 4th Succession War and breaking the first major period of relative period since the Succession Wars started, brutally oppress what gains they manage to make from the Draconis Combine, which in principle were their territory during the Star League era. Thus leading to ComStar having to intervene and the FRR being established.

OP:
All hail the Benevolent Compassionate Lyrans!


A single Smoke Jaguar Galaxy Commander finds out that he had and just lost custody of the Crown Prince of the Draconis Combine to a Yakuza raid. In the wake of the resulting mass rioting he orders the Jaguars to pull out and level the associated city, but fails to take out the Crown Prince in the process.

An action which leads to widescale censure of the Galaxy Commander in question, and the Clans to remove WarShips from assets allowed during the Invasion, to prevent anything resembling a repeat even being possible.

OP:
The Clans are unconscionably EVIIIL!


Presumably the OP is enraged at the Jaguars being non-committal, and upon noting the _Sabre Cat_ being explicitly referenced in the Gamescom Trailer is seething in rage that the MC who is clearly being a naive Mechwarrior whose going to be disillusioned will not be causing Turtle Bay to be delisted like his beloved Lyran Oshis...


Also Clan Smoke Jaguar was taken out in Operation BULLDOG, ala Mechwarrior 3, in 3059. Given the presence of the Sabre Cat this game is explicitly setup to be occurring entirely in 3050. Before the halt of the initial invasion, before the Battle of Luthien, before the Battle of Tukayyid, and before Operation BULLDOG. Trying to claim Clan Smoke Jaguar doesn't exist in 3050 would be analogous to trying to claim Napoleon didn't exist in 1804...

[PSYCΦMMUnist]

Is that really any worse than working for Space Britain?

[ExplosiveBolts]

Why is it so bad that you get to play as the irredeemable bad guys? It's an interesting angle that we haven't seen before.