CSJ, are you kidding?

[PhotriusPyrelus]

Seriously, the least popular invading Clan by a mile, and those are the nerds you focus on? I'm a die-hard Clan Wolf, and I'd still rather play CJF than CSJ.

[PocketYoda]

Clan Coyote Best Clan.

[UnCivilServant]

Stop griping, you're still going to get beat by the Phone Company.

[Rotiart]

Originally posted by PhotriusPyrelus:

I'm a die-hard Clan Wolf,

Stopped reading here

[dragonflyer]

Well, at least this is new. Smoke Jaguars are usually the guys you're shooting at (admittedly, they kind of brought it on themselves). I'd rather have Clan Ghost Bear, but I suspect that'll come in a DLC. Hopefully no underwater missions this time... :)

[DarkFenix]

Originally posted by PhotriusPyrelus:

I'm a die-hard Clan Wolf.

Clan Mary Sue lovers are one of the biggest problems with Battletech. I'm glad to see something outside of what's most popular.

[PhotriusPyrelus]

Originally posted by DarkFenix:

Originally posted by PhotriusPyrelus:

I'm a die-hard Clan Wolf.

Clan Mary Sue lovers are one of the biggest problems with Battletech. I'm glad to see something outside of what's most popular.

Be a nice change of pace to play the Not-Named Clan during their Trial of Annihillation.

[Justicier10-7]

Originally posted by PhotriusPyrelus:

I'm a die-hard Clan Wolf,

You know, when I was a kid, playing Mechwarrior 2... I liked Wolf better than Falcon. Jade Falcon felt like over the top comic book villains, while Wolf felt like generic, uninteresting good guys.

Then I started reading up on the lore and realized how lazily written and boring Wolf actually is. They are shoehorned into the "protagonist" role constantly, they have "plot armor," and never seem to face consequences for their actions. The Clans are a pretty terrible society in the lore, and Wolf is somehow given a "get out of jail for free" card.

Frankly, I'm looking forward to playing as the "Bad Guys"... and make no mistake, Smoke Jag definitely fills that role. They are like the House Liao of the Clans, but worse. The invasion of the Inner Sphere, begins and ultimately ends with Smoke Jaguar and its destruction. Poetic justice... dire consequences for their actions in instigating the invasion... and the player will be in a position to experience that arc... riches to rags... if PGI has the guts and writing chops.

[PhotriusPyrelus]

Originally posted by Justicier:

they have "plot armor," and never seem to face consequences for their actions.

Two words: Ayden. Pryde.

Originally posted by Justicier:

The Clans are a pretty terrible society in the lore, and Wolf is somehow given a "get out of jail for free" card.

Terrible? Are you kidding? I'd take life in any of the Clanner castes over the Inner Sphere any day of the week. You're not getting freedom in any case - even in Davion (which is just as bad and probably worse than Wolf as far as Plot-armour goody-goody), why not live where the castes are clearly defined, and war is highly regulated and ritualistic.

Civilian war casualties per capita in the Clans were almost certainly microscopic from 2786 [Pentagon Worlds founding] to 3049 compared to the Inner Sphere during the same time period. They didn't even kill the Not-Named Clan's civilians. Drink that in while you ponder the Kentares Massacre.

Clans > IS

[REhorror]

My only problem with the Clanners is that, if I like to play with chickens, I'd go to a poultry farm.

[King Fossil]

Originally posted by PhotriusPyrelus:

Two words: Ayden. Pryde.

The difference is that Aidan has both good and bad luck, and in ways that are necessary to keep the story interesting. If he failed his Trial of Position and he had to spend the rest of his life as a technician, the end, then it'd be a very boring story.
Wolf don't have that. Wolf are just the best Clan who are way smarter than everyone else and way better fighters than everyone else and always win. Reading about them is boring because you know they're going to win at everything no matter what. The only time they had a major loss it got instantly reversed and actually left them in a stronger position than they were before.
Also, Aidan is the main character of his novels, and it's normal for main characters in stories to get special treatment by the universe to keep the story going. Wolf aren't the main character of Battletech. Or maybe they are and we've been approaching the setting incorrectly all this time? Maybe it is meant to be "the adventures of Clan Wolf as they dominate some losers". Might actually be on to something there.

[Rotiart]

Originally posted by PhotriusPyrelus:

Terrible? Are you kidding? I'd take life in any of the Clanner castes over the Inner Sphere any day of the week. You're not getting freedom in any case

You are actually coping so hard with liking an evil faction, that you are downright admitting that you want to be property. Clan Society hates everything that makes a society human. They hate families, they hate old people, they hate anything that isn't an efficient means to whatever the Khan decided their clan's end is. Clan Society is not a society any normal human would want to live in, unless of course you're able to live as a Warrior who, despite being property, at least receive some political power which some people desire.

Originally posted by PhotriusPyrelus:

You're not getting freedom in any case - even in Davion (which is just as bad and probably worse than Wolf as far as Plot-armour goody-goody)

You absolutely are getting freedom. You are getting the freedom to have a family, you have the freedom to worship whatever your heart demands that you worship, you have the freedom for most people to find things in your own life that you want to do, things that you enjoy. You have the freedom to grow old, where the state will not just let you die because you are inefficient, for an average person in the Houses, they will receive some measure of life-extending medical care because despite all their faults the Houses are not Anti-Human, they are Human to a fault

Accusing House Davion of having plot armor would've held up, maybe in the 90s. Clan Wolf has had Plot Armor for 30 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ years

Originally posted by PhotriusPyrelus:

Civilian war casualties per capita in the Clans were almost certainly microscopic from 2786 [Pentagon Worlds founding] to 3049 compared to the Inner Sphere during the same time period. They didn't even kill the Not-Named Clan's civilians. Drink that in while you ponder the Kentares Massacre.

Yes yes, their commitment to not being wasteful is commendable, even if the thing they are trying not to waste is their slaves.

[Bovril Brigadier]

If you unironically think Clan society is something to aspire to, you are a fascist.

[{SVK}Puškin]

You complain about CSJ, someone else would complain about other clan. Come on, get over it!

[Bovril Brigadier]

Originally posted by {SVK}Puškin:

You complain about CSJ, someone else would complain about other clan. Come on, get over it!

The Jacksonville Smoked Jaguar Invasion corridor is actually quite interesting and writes like something designed specifically to be played out in a video game.

[King Fossil]

Originally posted by Strayed:

If you unironically think Clan society is something to aspire to, you are a fascist.

maybe i just want the government to assign me a girlfriend
have you considered that huh