RIP Redux, A game Now Dead.

[Coolmckoy]

I am an investigative journalist with a passion for games and decided to see whats going on with Redux (of the record ofcourse) here is what i found..

Let me just start of by saying that i had high hopes for this game.
But after about 3 months of "patching" which was nothing more then some quick fiddling around in the rivers & roads files sweetened by some copy & pasted real bomber info nobody asked for, and then some hasty minor patching that broke the game even more then it fixed followed by more then a month of silence without any direction or information on roads taken it seem now completely abandoned, tombed and dead more then anything else.

It started of right from the get go with false commitments with the B-17 exterior models they claimed they were "very close" to releasing in the first "big update" as stated in their dev blog on release day, after some research you quickly discover they by Microprose about 5 years ago in the announcent of which is now known as The Bloody 100th (Which itself has been dead for a year) and was presumably never intended for Redux, in fact the models not even owned by Microporse but an external graphics studio (and presumably new B-17 models for TB100th were introduced for legal reasoning) You can See for yourself in end of this article, and you can compare it with the redux "new exterior model" its exactly the same model and has been in around for at least 4 years lol : https://www.pcgamesn.com/the-mighty-eighth/announcement Probably done for money grab stratagy so it sell better thinking they would quickly replace the atrocious 24 year old models of the orignal game, which is basically false advertising. No surprise 5 months later exterior models/liverys are nowhere to be seen, in fact not a single of the games improvements, exterior models, better terrain, bigger formations or "first big update" etc etc has never ever materialized, and even the interiors models are left unfinished with 1994 style cockpits and dials.

What we (paying customers) are left with is a half assed & unplayable"remaster" that is absolutely more broken and unplayable then the original 24 year old game they claimed intend to "update to modern standarts" that nowhere near should have ever been cleared even for early acces release, but with only a few months of development of unfinished updated interiors hastily released in attempts to profit of of AppleTVs Masters of the Air.

Ah but "we must be patient" because it IS early acces some would argue right? Well the development timeline/deadline (given in January) given by the devs spans between 6 to 12 months, given the fact that the devs cant seem to be bothered to put out even some minor hotfixes for over a month i would say they decided to cut this short to 6 months and pulled the plug on development and REDUX is officially dead, pretty much same story how they abandoned & ditched the the orginal game, only this time they havent even borthered to inform us..

And then there is this stiff draconian urge by Microprose,s /Dev team complete unwillingness or disinterest to inform or communicate in even its most minor form, with its own support/community, many of which are now paying customers And its nothing new either and has been going on for over FIVE years, and spans over their other 2 titles (The Bloody 100th & Mighty Eight VR) And apart from a single dev blog for the VR version which stated "expect more dev blogs/updates throughout the year" 5 months ago these 2 titles seem even more dead themselves then anything else. Same on their Microprose discord, which seems exclusive only for Microprose,s b-17 titles Dev-team which is so devoid of any meaningfull communiocation & seems to serve no purpose. In fact ive seen people on their discord with any critism on this bizar silence or simply looking for some awnsers or looking for any long term plans get banned without warning. ive seen same thing happening to people on Steam forums for "repetative toxic behavure", which is hilarious because it is litterally a direct consequence of their own "dont ask dont tell" cloak and dagger policy that completely alienates community and PAYING customers wtf lol.

The PR and catering to their OWN community (in this case PAYING customers mind you) / support is by far the worst i have ever seen in videogame history (and ive been around for long time) and seems as if they stuck in the 1990s Microprose universe, which would be even superior to what wehave here, at least they did PC gamer interviews.
Even their Microprose website is completly devoid of even a forum, its as if they intentionally avoid any forms of direct or indirect dialogue with the community.
And you,d think they would learn from their mistakes with the redux ea release right? guess again. The devs read the forums supposedly, but seem to be uninterested to adress the status Quo, even with the many posts with people concerned & confused about a game they passionate want to see succeed dont seem to trigger any meaningfull response. Maybe the PR department need a serious evening course in PR and some TLC, which when we look at titles as Grey Zone Warfare etc etc prove to be increadibly profitable..

To make a long story short, this was a complete money grab and an absolute pathetic one on epic proportions. Its unclear in how Microprose is involved, but needles to say the state of Redux, lack of any meaningfull news on the TB100th & TME-VR, supplemented by the dev teams complete lack of communication is serously eroding peoples confidence & credibility in Micropose & future titles, let alone The Bloodyb 100th & TME VR.

[Bcarreon93]

Oh lookie here, a new update :)

[Coolmckoy]

İlk olarak Snafu tarafından gönderildi:

Oh lookie here, a new update :)

Really ? where? All i see is a hotfix for the fighter issue and still fighters crashing into AI bombers and a brand new tracer bug with bullets goings in completely different direction then was aimed, and many more issues still remain.

So still no "big update" its just the hotfix build from Taff in Exile youtube video that showed little progress. This could hardly be called an update, but a hotfix once again sweetened by real bomber name stories to make the content look more substancial.

[Bcarreon93]

All I'm saying is that THEY ARE working on it. I just made a post above this thread listing the bugs I have seen. And for others to do the same.

[Coolmckoy]

İlk olarak Snafu tarafından gönderildi:

All I'm saying is that THEY ARE working on it. I just made a post above this thread listing the bugs I have seen. And for others to do the same.

Yes and i already stated they were working on it and the project has still pulse. But it seems this patch is yet another step back instead of showing progress.

[Sgt_Lobo]

Some people create posts because they thrive on others reading them and providing comments. That usually occurs more with a post such as this, than with a "moderate" or positive post. That being said, the poster certainly has a strong opinion on this matter - this game and Microprose. I won't argue with what or who he is, as I don't have solid information and frankly, don't care. My post is simply to say this:

I grew up with Microprose and while they have had bad games, I have fond memories of most of their games, including the original B17. I knew going into this purchase what I could likely expect from this revamped version. As they continue to work on the game, I continue to come back and play a while, then move on until I next get the urge to come back. Just jumping into this game brings back fond memories for me and also reminds me of the sacrifices of those who crewed these beasts in WWII. That's more than enough for me!

Thanks Microprose and I look forward to your next games (and yes, I understand some may take a while and some may even be cancelled - that's how things work).

[Coolmckoy]

İlk olarak Sgt_Lobo tarafından gönderildi:

Some people create posts because they thrive on others reading them and providing comments. That usually occurs more with a post such as this, than with a "moderate" or positive post. That being said, the poster certainly has a strong opinion on this matter - this game and Microprose. I won't argue with what or who he is, as I don't have solid information and frankly, don't care. My post is simply to say this:

I grew up with Microprose and while they have had bad games, I have fond memories of most of their games, including the original B17. I knew going into this purchase what I could likely expect from this revamped version. As they continue to work on the game, I continue to come back and play a while, then move on until I next get the urge to come back. Just jumping into this game brings back fond memories for me and also reminds me of the sacrifices of those who crewed these beasts in WWII. That's more than enough for me!

Thanks Microprose and I look forward to your next games (and yes, I understand some may take a while and some may even be cancelled - that's how things work).

Look its great for ofcourse you play this game for nostalgia,s sake and i think you should do you. And some people dont feel the need for the new features of promised upgrades and thats fine with me of course. Point is that apparently they were way to ambitious, and they advertized this as a remaster with upgrades they announced that never make it in any of the patches. If they cant deliver they should just be open and fair with anyone and just admit that the game will just be a wide-screen upgrade, with new interiors and some new menus and what we see is what you get...

[DunkzGM]

I don't think the game is dead, i think there is just a massive gap between the aspirations of MicroProse and the capabilities of the 3 part-time computer science college students who they seem to have hired to try and make this game work.

[cato]

The original poster is an investigate journalist only in his/her/they's delusional mind lol

[Coolmckoy]

İlk olarak DunkzGM tarafından gönderildi:

I don't think the game is dead, i think there is just a massive gap between the aspirations of MicroProse and the capabilities of the 3 part-time computer science college students who they seem to have hired to try and make this game work.

Yeah but seriously, i,m getting this strange feeling that indeed there are some two or three at best part time student/start up programmers/coders working on this game in the weekends to pay for collage that comprises the "development team", and thats why there is so much mystery & complete communication silence. If they cannot even fix joystick support after 6 months, even in the latest patch, for a flightsim mind you., Then i think all those new game features they have planned like new exterior models and such should really be taken with a grain of salt. The development of this game seems to go backwards instead of progressing, i really dont see this game going anywhere at all unless they make some drastic changes to development, which when looking at their PR and communication policy probably cant be bothered with either...

[Coolmckoy]

İlk olarak Sgt_Lobo tarafından gönderildi:

Some people create posts because they thrive on others reading them and providing comments. That usually occurs more with a post such as this, than with a "moderate" or positive post. That being said, the poster certainly has a strong opinion on this matter - this game and Microprose. I won't argue with what or who he is, as I don't have solid information and frankly, don't care. My post is simply to say this:

I grew up with Microprose and while they have had bad games, I have fond memories of most of their games, including the original B17. I knew going into this purchase what I could likely expect from this revamped version. As they continue to work on the game, I continue to come back and play a while, then move on until I next get the urge to come back. Just jumping into this game brings back fond memories for me and also reminds me of the sacrifices of those who crewed these beasts in WWII. That's more than enough for me!

Thanks Microprose and I look forward to your next games (and yes, I understand some may take a while and some may even be cancelled - that's how things work).

This has nothing to do with people thriving on negative comments, but has everything to do with selling a broken product that gets even more broken over time. I know its early acces but even for ea this is unprecedented. For example never in my life ive seen an ea title that cant seem to fix even the bare minimum such as joystick support well over 6 months, not to mention bring in completely new bugs . If you sell a 25 year old product that came with its own bugs, promise to remaster it and bring in new features only to break it even more with each consecutive patch and not even progressing close to what it advertises to any time soon then you,d expect only positive comments? If only they would communicate and engage with the community it would look very different i think, You see it is the very foundation of every early acces model to engage, communicate and work WITH not against your community, these go hand in hand. Instead we are given patches that seem to take longer and longer to release and is breaking more then it fixes....

Long story short, if they choose to release and ask money for a product in early acces that, despite advertising otherwise has not only shown zero progress for over 6 months, is more broken & unplayable then its original and at time of ea release and still is, while determined to maintain this draconian no compromise zero support/no communication policy is showing zero respect for the very people who support the game by buying an early acces title in good faith it will progress into something awsome.

And sure its early acces, and yes certainly i would be the last to say its easy to work and remaster a game with 25 year old code. But to not even occasionally jump here on the forums or even their own hardcore fanbase on their own discord channel to provide even the bare minimum of feedback, or lay out a very rudimentary idea of the on goings, or a very broad estimate on what to expect in the future & some general TLC to keep your community happy and would shut down the ney sayers instantly, and is no more then a common courtesy.

[Mike Sholo]

İlk olarak Coolmckoy tarafından gönderildi:

This has nothing to do with people thriving on negative comments, but has everything to do with selling a broken product that gets even more broken over time. I know its early acces but even for ea this is unprecedented. For example never in my life ive seen an ea title that cant seem to fix even the bare minimum such as joystick support well over 6 months, not to mention bring in completely new bugs . If you sell a 25 year old product that came with its own bugs, promise to remaster it and bring in new features only to break it even more with each consecutive patch and not even progressing close to what it advertises to any time soon then you,d expect only positive comments? If only they would communicate and engage with the community it would look very different i think, You see it is the very foundation of every early acces model to engage, communicate and work WITH not against your community, these go hand in hand. Instead we are given patches that seem to take longer and longer to release and is breaking more then it fixes....

Long story short, if they choose to release and ask money for a product in early acces that, despite advertising otherwise has not only shown zero progress for over 6 months, is more broken & unplayable then its original and at time of ea release and still is, while determined to maintain this draconian no compromise zero support/no communication policy is showing zero respect for the very people who support the game by buying an early acces title in good faith it will progress into something awsome.

And sure its early acces, and yes certainly i would be the last to say its easy to work and remaster a game with 25 year old code. But to not even occasionally jump here on the forums or even their own hardcore fanbase on their own discord channel to provide even the bare minimum of feedback, or lay out a very rudimentary idea of the on goings, or a very broad estimate on what to expect in the future & some general TLC to keep your community happy and would shut down the ney sayers instantly, and is no more then a common courtesy.

"`Long story short" Thank the gods!

Almost 100 posts (and about 4000 words) singing the same chorus, since May 9th.

I think it's become more than clear that you're not happy with the development of the game, but really:

- Is this a personal crusade?
- Some unspeakable promise to someone?
- Don't you have anything better to do than to keep repeating yourself and tormenting users (since it is proven that the devs don't pay attention to you?

Maybe in the end you will get it

[Coolmckoy]

İlk olarak Mike Sholo tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Coolmckoy tarafından gönderildi:

This has nothing to do with people thriving on negative comments, but has everything to do with selling a broken product that gets even more broken over time. I know its early acces but even for ea this is unprecedented. For example never in my life ive seen an ea title that cant seem to fix even the bare minimum such as joystick support well over 6 months, not to mention bring in completely new bugs . If you sell a 25 year old product that came with its own bugs, promise to remaster it and bring in new features only to break it even more with each consecutive patch and not even progressing close to what it advertises to any time soon then you,d expect only positive comments? If only they would communicate and engage with the community it would look very different i think, You see it is the very foundation of every early acces model to engage, communicate and work WITH not against your community, these go hand in hand. Instead we are given patches that seem to take longer and longer to release and is breaking more then it fixes....

Long story short, if they choose to release and ask money for a product in early acces that, despite advertising otherwise has not only shown zero progress for over 6 months, is more broken & unplayable then its original and at time of ea release and still is, while determined to maintain this draconian no compromise zero support/no communication policy is showing zero respect for the very people who support the game by buying an early acces title in good faith it will progress into something awsome.

And sure its early acces, and yes certainly i would be the last to say its easy to work and remaster a game with 25 year old code. But to not even occasionally jump here on the forums or even their own hardcore fanbase on their own discord channel to provide even the bare minimum of feedback, or lay out a very rudimentary idea of the on goings, or a very broad estimate on what to expect in the future & some general TLC to keep your community happy and would shut down the ney sayers instantly, and is no more then a common courtesy.

"`Long story short" Thank the gods!

Almost 100 posts (and about 4000 words) singing the same chorus, since May 9th.

I think it's become more than clear that you're not happy with the development of the game, but really:

- Is this a personal crusade?
- Some unspeakable promise to someone?
- Don't you have anything better to do than to keep repeating yourself and tormenting users (since it is proven that the devs don't pay attention to you?

Maybe in the end you will get it

Funny that you mention a "personal crusade" looking at the multiple hate posts/reply,s you have been posting & replying. I specially love it when you speak of "tormenting users" and then go on stalking me and ♥♥♥♥ posting me all around the forums. That is trully next level.

Oh and uhm its nothing special the devs dont pay attention to me, and this may come as a surprise to your single brain cell, but the developers dont pay attention to anyone and the whole of the community here and that is the problem isnt it? so what else is new?

[Mike Sholo]

İlk olarak Coolmckoy tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Mike Sholo tarafından gönderildi:

"`Long story short" Thank the gods!

Almost 100 posts (and about 4000 words) singing the same chorus, since May 9th.

I think it's become more than clear that you're not happy with the development of the game, but really:

- Is this a personal crusade?
- Some unspeakable promise to someone?
- Don't you have anything better to do than to keep repeating yourself and tormenting users (since it is proven that the devs don't pay attention to you?

Maybe in the end you will get it

Funny that you mention a "personal crusade" looking at the multiple hate posts/reply,s you have been posting & replying. I specially love it when you speak of "tormenting users" and then go on stalking me and ♥♥♥♥ posting me all around the forums. That is trully next level.

Oh and uhm its nothing special the devs dont pay attention to me, and this may come as a surprise to your single brain cell, but the developers dont pay attention to anyone and the whole of the community here and that is the problem isnt it? so what else is new?

You hit the point:

so what else is new?

Absolutely NOTHING.

You annoy everyone with your resplies in other threads without paying attention to the topic of the thread (by repeating your chorus) but then you get annoyed because someone answer to your repetitive and dull resplies that have nothing to do with the topic of the thread.

Have you tried to claim a refund? The logical thing is that if you hate the way the game is being developed so much, you will collect your money and stop being so unhappy.

PS: As long as you maintain your behavior, I will maintain mine (replying to your post). Why not?

At least I'm just annoying only you and maybe some will have fun reading my answers to your refrain instead your "short stories".

[Coolmckoy]

İlk olarak Mike Sholo tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Coolmckoy tarafından gönderildi:

Funny that you mention a "personal crusade" looking at the multiple hate posts/reply,s you have been posting & replying. I specially love it when you speak of "tormenting users" and then go on stalking me and ♥♥♥♥ posting me all around the forums. That is trully next level.

Oh and uhm its nothing special the devs dont pay attention to me, and this may come as a surprise to your single brain cell, but the developers dont pay attention to anyone and the whole of the community here and that is the problem isnt it? so what else is new?

You hit the point:

so what else is new?

Absolutely NOTHING.

You annoy everyone with your resplies in other threads without paying attention to the topic of the thread (by repeating your chorus) but then you get annoyed because someone answer to your repetitive and dull resplies that have nothing to do with the topic of the thread.

Have you tried to claim a refund? The logical thing is that if you hate the way the game is being developed so much, you will collect your money and stop being so unhappy.

PS: As long as you maintain your behavior, I will maintain mine (replying to your post). Why not?

At least I'm just annoying only you and maybe some will have fun reading my answers to your refrain instead your "short stories".

So let me get this straight, what you are trying to tell everyone here is that you have been send from the high heavens themselves to go on a fiercely determined one man,s quest as the saving grace for a development project that has sold a broken game while trading in advertised new features for new bugs and product unusability, all while engaging & becoming the exact same behavior and "dull replies" you keep saying you hate and despise so much? And in addition (as you claim i am) contributing to adding nothing to the topic yourself and annoying everyone? It is truly next level stupidity, and how lucky we are that we have the block function. But how brave that you came up with such a brilliant idea all by yourself with only a single brain cell, Bravo!

But thank you very much, because you just gave us the perfect example & embodyment of what is wrong with this game, and above all what is wrong with total lack of communication by the developers. Also their PR departent must be truly thankful for basically doing what they have failed to do all along, all while getting payed for it while you are making a complete fool of yourself.

[Mike Sholo]

İlk olarak Coolmckoy tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Mike Sholo tarafından gönderildi:

You hit the point:

so what else is new?

Absolutely NOTHING.

You annoy everyone with your resplies in other threads without paying attention to the topic of the thread (by repeating your chorus) but then you get annoyed because someone answer to your repetitive and dull resplies that have nothing to do with the topic of the thread.

Have you tried to claim a refund? The logical thing is that if you hate the way the game is being developed so much, you will collect your money and stop being so unhappy.

PS: As long as you maintain your behavior, I will maintain mine (replying to your post). Why not?

At least I'm just annoying only you and maybe some will have fun reading my answers to your refrain instead your "short stories".

So let me get this straight, what you are trying to tell everyone here is that you have been send from the high heavens themselves to go on a fiercely determined one man,s quest as the saving grace for a development project that has sold a broken game while trading in advertised new features for new bugs and product unusability, all while engaging & becoming the exact same behavior and "dull replies" you keep saying you hate and despise so much? And in addition (as you claim i am) contributing to adding nothing to the topic yourself and annoying everyone? It is truly next level stupidity, and how lucky we are that we have the block function. But how brave that you came up with such a brilliant idea all by yourself with only a single brain cell, Bravo!

But thank you very much, because you just gave us the perfect example & embodyment of what is wrong with this game, and above all what is wrong with total lack of communication by the developers. Also their PR departent must be truly thankful for basically doing what they have failed to do all along, all while getting payed for it while you are making a complete fool of yourself.

"So let me get this straight, what you are trying to tell everyone here is that you have been send from the high heavens themselves to go on a fiercely determined one man,s quest as the saving grace for a development project that has sold a broken game while trading in advertised new features for new bugs and product unusability."[/quote]

Are you talking about yourself, right? LOL

Because after creating a fake profile (level 1 on Steam) on May 9, only to post on the B17 forum (not anywhere else about anything else) 100 posts in two weeks to always complain about the total lack of communication" (90% of your posts include that), it seems that the man with a high heavens mission is you.

Have you tried to claim a refund? The logical thing is that if you hate the way the game is being developed so much, you will collect your money and stop being so unhappy.