Is the game already dead?

[Robinjhoe]

Sorry to be so negativ, but i had the game on my radar since its debut on kickstarter and its own website, but never had the time to actually play it. until now... but steam doesnt really seem to like the game, and the org discords i was invited on are all already dead. So how is the current health of the game?

[CryptoCryst82/Killinj]

Was fun during beta, they took half of the very little content they had out and have like 300 online now. Its a pass, which is sad because this is exactly what I wanted from a game.

[Orclover]

It is not looking good right now. A lot of our org has started playing other games and almost my entire discord DU contact list has. A few are sticking around for pvp here and there but not much else. The fact that the game actually punishes you for not logging in monthly makes the decision a lot more final for people. Devs use "log in or lose it if its not locked up" as a threat to keep you paying, but it can also backfire heavily and make people give up sooner (why waste time on a game that will delete all your work eventually if you stop playing too long?). I think that may be what we are seeing here.

Star Citizen is looking pretty good though. As I always say, there is always another new MMO.

[Robinjhoe]

Originally posted by Orclover:

It is not looking good right now. A lot of our org has started playing other games and almost my entire discord DU contact list has. A few are sticking around for pvp here and there but not much else. The fact that the game actually punishes you for not logging in monthly makes the decision a lot more final for people. Devs use "log in or lose it if its not locked up" as a threat to keep you paying, but it can also backfire heavily and make people give up sooner (why waste time on a game that will delete all your work eventually if you stop playing too long?). I think that may be what we are seeing here.

Star Citizen is looking pretty good though. As I always say, there is always another new MMO.

Thats really sad to hear. From the outside the game looked really ambitous, but i guess they overdid it and didnt have the budget or manpower to actually finish it. I saw on their website that they went from 0.23 to full release which is already a huge red flag for me.

Also lowkey threatening and punishing people for not playing while having that subscription model and the weird schematics model is a very self-harming decision.

Bummer. The design element always looked really fun and fleshed out.

[Costanius]

Its not dead, but there are less players now than at release in september.
Most active players are not connected via steam, but with the original DU-launcher, so steam player numbers don't show the real player numbers.
You can still play the free steam demo to get an idea how crafting and building works. Or just sub and play for a month. You'll get a free tile of land on a starter moon which will remain Yours even after quitting and unsubscribing. Its a complex game, so join one of the many orgs which will help You to learn the game faster. Or watch twitch streamers to get an idea about what people have built and are doing now in the game.

[madmanuk]

It's dead. They have been removing anything fun, increasing micromanagement, and generally pissing off the player base for months. The only reason they have any people left is that they baited people to pay for 6 months subs by offering talent points "to make up for wiping the universe". I cant imagine many of those 6 months subs being renewed unless they significantly up their game, change direction and start listening to the players.

[L T]

yes the devs have killed it

[Mr.Moo]

Yes original founder and his team left, now owned by an investment company. Best advice Stay well clear.

[Cyberblonde]

gandalf would say: FLEE YOU FOOLS!

[Haunty]

It was always like this besides the release surges, most players don't play for long term

[Orclover]

The poetry of a "is this game dead" thread with the last post being 2 days ago as the top post is really kinda interesting.

[VrDRunkenMonkey]

alot of players are also just turned off by subscription based poop. why would anyone want to play a game that runs off subscriptions.

[Raaban]

Originally posted by VrDRunkenMonkey:

alot of players are also just turned off by subscription based poop. why would anyone want to play a game that runs off subscriptions.

The Problem isn't really subscribtion. But most games that have subscribtion also has Content and game loops to back that up.

Dual Universe has building , and the game loop is emptying auto miners, looking for asteroids to mine and pvp in space. Thats all. Not worth anywhere near 120$ yearly.

No huge sprawling cities as promised or shown in trailers, You can't see stuff from space either as shown earlier in developement, half of the planets are missing and alot of leaving players. Just a quick search on their Forum, Reddit and Discord shows that many of the early backers are not satisfied at all with the game. Slapping a release tag on it and calling it a day.

TLDR: DU has not enough content or gameplay to be sold as subscribtion based. Other games usually cheaper and ALOT more content and fun, not chores.

[Costanius]

Originally posted by VrDRunkenMonkey:

alot of players are also just turned off by subscription based poop. why would anyone want to play a game that runs off subscriptions.

Because subscriptions are still the best and most honest and equal payment model for a single-world ongoing persistent MMO! No pay-to-win bs or whales dominating with their money! Success and progess ONLY by playing the game! Thats how it should be in a MMO-game and the sub model was a PRO argument for me to support this project in the beginning.

DU has a lot of problems and flaws, but they are not related to its monetization.
The many problems DU has have nothing to do with the sub payment model.

[Raaban]

Originally posted by Costanius:

Originally posted by VrDRunkenMonkey:

alot of players are also just turned off by subscription based poop. why would anyone want to play a game that runs off subscriptions.

Because subscriptions are still the best and most honest and equal payment model for a single-world ongoing persistent MMO! No pay-to-win bs or whales dominating with their money! Success and progess ONLY by playing the game! Thats how it should be in a MMO-game and the sub model was a PRO argument for me to support this project in the beginning.

DU has a lot of problems and flaws, but they are not related to its monetization.
The many problems DU has have nothing to do with the sub payment model.

Tbf in DU you can buy DACs and sell them ingame. So you kinda can get items fast if players trade for it. Whales exists in everygame. In DU aswell. How can someone who has 2 - 6 hours of gametime in a day compete with people who are in groups of 30 and online 24/7 and buying ingame items with real cash?. It exists everywhere.

[Orclover]

Originally posted by Raaban:

Originally posted by Costanius:

Because subscriptions are still the best and most honest and equal payment model for a single-world ongoing persistent MMO! No pay-to-win bs or whales dominating with their money! Success and progess ONLY by playing the game! Thats how it should be in a MMO-game and the sub model was a PRO argument for me to support this project in the beginning.

DU has a lot of problems and flaws, but they are not related to its monetization.
The many problems DU has have nothing to do with the sub payment model.

Tbf in DU you can buy DACs and sell them ingame. So you kinda can get items fast if players trade for it. Whales exists in everygame. In DU aswell. How can someone who has 2 - 6 hours of gametime in a day compete with people who are in groups of 30 and online 24/7 and buying ingame items with real cash?. It exists everywhere.

Trying to figure out where to buy dac's in game. It seems only players sell them and there are only a limited number of them which is driving up the price quickly as the run out. Not about to spend 89 million quanta (todays quote) on a DAC.