lore questions

[White-Glint]

First of all i wanna get rid of my chest
What did madame marta meant when she told eureka to tell hachiroux about teaching her how to ride a broom ?

When eureka told that to hachiroux, Hachiroux was visibly uncomfortable and told eureka "you really don't know what that means don't you?"

second question eureka strangely looks like the kid from the previous game are they related?

is there any person who has lore on this series?

[CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate]

"Riding a broom" is a euphamism for masterbation in victorian times. The story of witches riding high on broomsticks came from witches adding drugs to the broomhandles to get a high when doing that.

Edit: Some lore from history.com
https://www.history.com/news/why-witches-fly-on-brooms#:~:text=Flying%20Witches%20Linked%20to%20Pagan,the%20growth%20of%20their%20crops.

Edit 2: Basically Madame Marta is saying between the lines that Hachiroux is a degenerate witch that just sits in the dark and spends her time masterbating and getting high.

Oh, I only answered parts of the question. I just realized that.

The fact that this comes from Eureka, someone that Hachiroux secretly cares about, kind of hurts more than when it came from Madame Marta.

As far as Luca is concerned, Luca was the daughter of a noble woman who was trained to be a witch, and fell in love with another witch. They trained under Baba Yaga, and became court witches and swore to fight against Baba Yaga to defeat her one day for everything she did to them.

Luca's mother ended up marrying a noble and having a child, but Baba Yaga tried to take the child and took her mother's life I believe. The other witch who loved Luca's mother and had made the pact instead took off with Luca to raise her. She was Dronya in the game.

If any of this sounds eerily familiar, it may be that the names have been changed in order to protect the true name of the witches, or that Luca never knew the true names at all.

[COCAINE BEAR]

Sort of unrelated but someone else mentioned one of the characters is implied to be Luca and Neldo's daughter, who is that?

[CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate]

Originally posted by FLORIDA MAN:

Sort of unrelated but someone else mentioned one of the characters is implied to be Luca and Neldo's daughter, who is that?

I think you have it sort of reversed. Luca is implied to be the daughter of Margaret (Eureka) and Neldo as this is sort of a prequel but possibly in a different universe.

[COCAINE BEAR]

Originally posted by CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate:

Originally posted by FLORIDA MAN:

Sort of unrelated but someone else mentioned one of the characters is implied to be Luca and Neldo's daughter, who is that?

I think you have it sort of reversed. Luca is implied to be the daughter of Margaret (Eureka) and Neldo as this is sort of a prequel but possibly in a different universe.

That can't be right, we know from the previous game that Luca's parents are Isara and the guy who turned into a spider whose name I forgot

[CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate]

Originally posted by FLORIDA MAN:

Originally posted by CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate:

I think you have it sort of reversed. Luca is implied to be the daughter of Margaret (Eureka) and Neldo as this is sort of a prequel but possibly in a different universe.

That can't be right, we know from the previous game that Luca's parents are Isara and the guy who turned into a spider whose name I forgot

As I said, there's a number of factors here. Eureka isn't using her real name. This may be a different world with different names. Luca may not have known her mother's real name, or may have chosen to not use the real names intentionally.

These games take place in a sort of multiverse where they are both connected and not.

edit: Ok, let me make it clear what I am trying to imply here.

I don't think Luca is directly related to this game, nor do I think Velna/Dronya is either. The latter has an eerie counterpart, as well as Luca's mother. The connection is elsewhere.

In the beginning a witch who does not give her name sends you to another world, Labyrinthia. She places your soul into the Tractatus de Nostrum. She also refers to you as an old friend. Clearly she knows you well. Never is this witch named anywhere. However, at the end of the game, your soul is called back to her. How is this? How can your soul be drawn across worlds?

In Galleria we learn that Eureka's soul is bound to another's soul, and she can summon the soul back at will. She can also send the soul out temporarily with the lamp. I believe that unnamed witch is Eureka. Now we are playing her story.

There are similarities yes, but it is a different universe, so names can and will be different, and actions likely will be different. This makes it so that the outcome is not as predetermined as you might expect. The only thing we know is that if I'm right, Baba Yaga will arise and devour the world and Eureka will be the only survivor. Hachiroux will be killed by Baba Yaga and used against Eureka as a puppet to try to stop her.

Now who is Baba Yaga? I don't have direct evidence, but Madame Marta fits the bill well. She is manipulative and seems to have motive.

Take all of this with a grain of salt. I'm still in chapter 1, and am playing slowly due to having work obligations.

[Landale]

The character with some implications of being related to Luca and Neldo is Nachiroux. She was blonde as a baby, her hair only turned red after being touched by Nina.

The main question is, what family of the World Tree Tribe/Owls of Yggdrasil was Neldo? I don't think it was ever stated in Refrain. Nachiroux is the daughter of someone from the Bastion/Bastian/Bastien family. (NISA, consistency please.) We know that they were for the most part wiped out by Baba Yaga, and she's not related to Geaux nor Cecilia so the number of known possibilities is incredibly narrow.

[COCAINE BEAR]

Originally posted by CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate:

Take all of this with a grain of salt. I'm still in chapter 1, and am playing slowly due to having work obligations.

I don't think you should be answering questions about lore if you're still in chapter 1 lol. There's so much of the story you are missing. Madam Marta for example most certainly has nothing to do with Baba Yaga.

Originally posted by Landale:

The character with some implications of being related to Luca and Neldo is Nachiroux. She was blonde as a baby, her hair only turned red after being touched by Nina.

The main question is, what family of the World Tree Tribe/Owls of Yggdrasil was Neldo? I don't think it was ever stated in Refrain. Nachiroux is the daughter of someone from the Bastion/Bastian/Bastien family. (NISA, consistency please.) We know that they were for the most part wiped out by Baba Yaga, and she's not related to Geaux nor Cecilia so the number of known possibilities is incredibly narrow.

That's quite shocking, and makes the ending even sadder, though I guess some hope is still there left for interpretation.

[CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate]

Originally posted by FLORIDA MAN:

Originally posted by CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate:

Take all of this with a grain of salt. I'm still in chapter 1, and am playing slowly due to having work obligations.

I don't think you should be answering questions about lore if you're still in chapter 1 lol. There's so much of the story you are missing. Madam Marta for example most certainly has nothing to do with Baba Yaga.

I'm sorry, to be honest, I originally came in here to answer the question on what "flying on a broomstick" really means, which is historic, not lore. Then since no one else was answering the rest, I amended my answer with some of my theories, and everyone started assuming things about me. That's why I placed that disclaimer on my last post.

I'm still not sold on it, as I don't trust coincidences, but I guess I'll see how things play out as I go.

[Player]

Did people really miss the obvious?
Mirage is Luca and she was talking to Neldo at the end of the game using the pendant. Sad that Nachiroux didn't want to know her real mother.