Pax Dei and the current state of the game - Opinions and feelings vs Facts

[Kerpal]

Hello Paxians, hello to all others,

I think this thread and the information that we can gather together will be important for players who like to play Pax Dei and motivate them to keep playing rather than stop, for those who complain, and for players who might want to buy the game. I want to give all players the opportunity to read and discuss the criticism, feelings, opinions and facts that can be found here on the Steam Forum on a daily basis. I’ll just try to counter a few examples of criticism with facts and everyone is welcome to add more and vice versa, of course.
Let’s bring some light to the dark. Maybe in the end everyone can create a long list for himself with the truth about the current state of the game.

Let me start:

1. The current number of players for the game is insufficient, leading to a decline in activity as the Steam charts show and will destroy the game soon! <-- It´s still EA. If the Devs brings out an update including substantial content and thoughtful improvements then it lead fast to higher numbers. Returning players will return and new buyers will be generated automaticly.

2. The game is an endless grind and I'm not enjoying it. <-- If grind is your problem then you shouldn't play grind-heavy games. In addition the publishers have said they'll be tweaking things and adding more solo playable content. Also, try to find contacts or any guild that can help you in the group content or trade important items with till they added the trading system.

3. The game is a scam. I can see this already! <-- You only know it's a scam when the publisher stops patching, doesn't deliver content and shuts down the servers.

4. The game will get a subscription model. I don't like it and when it comes then I quit!
<-- It's not 100% yet whether a subscription model will come yet. The Devs said they are thinking about this option.

5. The game has bought UE5 assets from the shop. <-- Make a proof video of which sets exactly have been bought. Just because you buy assets doesn't mean it has to be absolutely bad and will be a scam. A good combination of both can work, right?!

6. If the Devs delete my plot I will quit the game! <-- The requirements to delete a plot are very fair. Anyone can log into the game and make a quick tweak. If not of course it´s your own fault. Just do something.

7. The developers take too long for new content and patches. <-- The studio is very, very small, and everyone should have been aware of that. Besides, content and improvements just take time. If they come fast and are not good then you will cry too, right?!

8. I have constant PC crashes and disconnection <-- Strangely, on my PC everything always runs with every game. I haven't had a crash after almost 100 hours in Pax Dei. Buy yourself better hardware, many companies just build cheap junk, that's a fact.
The studio can't do anything for your cheap junk hardware. If you have problems with good hardware then update all your drivers correctly. Maybe there are other problems. Get smart on the Pax Dei Discord or write a ticket. Sometimes the problem lies behind the screen.

9. There's not enough solo content in the game. <-- The game was never designed to be a full solo game. Nevertheless, it's possible to play the game solo. In addition here's the thing: The studio is listening to the community and will soon deliver more solo content.

10. There is no trading system yet that’s why I quit now! <-- The Devs are working on a trading system and it will come into play soon. You already want to trade now? As I´ve mentioned above, find yourself players and guilds and trade Mats for Mats now. What’s the problem? If you still want to quit then quit and then check back in later if it fits or not.

--> These are now the first 10 things that have come to my mind which I see and read over and over again. As I said I don’t know everyone. You are welcome to go ahead with the list.
Personally I like playing Pax Dei at the moment and I think that game has potential. We should just give the Devs some time and then we’ll see!
And folks, stop with these many questionable, sometimes stupid, and childish comments here, please. We're not in kindergarten, are we?

Greetings goes out to everyone! Yes, also to the Haters, also to the Screamers, and yep, also to the liars!

PEACE

[Balmung]

Especially on point 5 I always wonder what players think. Why does have Epic Games a assets store when game developers are not allowed to use them?

It simply makes no sense to cite this as a point of criticism. If a game developer decides to buy assets from the store, it's not much different than hiring a freelancer to create that asset for them, the only difference is that the asset has already been created. And offering assets so that they can be used in different games reduces development costs, money that can then be better invested in other things.

The fact that players don't realise this is simply because they haven't understood the real problem. And that is not the use of such assets, but that far too many of them are used by developers who primarily have nothing good in mind. It quickly becomes apparent when the design of graphic assets doesn't fit together (I couldn't notice that on PxD, the design looks very consistent to me).

And what some players also don't realise is that some developers use such store assets as placeholders during development. Graphic assets in particular are only finalised very late in the development process, including 3D models, animations, etc. Anyone who has played many betas will have experienced how such things are replaced towards the end of development. It makes sense so late, because these are fine-tuning things and you don't do them in the middle of development when too many things can still change and developers don't like to waist money on stuff that was at the end made for nothing.

For example you generate a awesome looking mob (3D model with textures, animations and sound) for your game and then you decide later not to use it because it didn't match for some reasons into it, that is waist money. You don't want to do that, you want to generate stuff in such quality when you are 99% sure, that this asset will be used. If not a placeholder is the better choose and here can help the asset store... or if this asset matches perfectly fine into your game design, you can keep that. Or maybe not if it is a boss enemy, then you better should make your own because such enemies should be unique. But it always depends on your game.

So, long writing short answer: assets store assets are in general nothing bad.

[Balmung]

Point 6 - players who fall under this point already quit the game. So what do they want to do? quit it again after quitting it? LOL

Point 7 - want to add: the developer decided to make bigger content patches instead of smaller ones. I can understand why, because a lot of features that are missing depends on each other and they must be developed more or less together. And it is more important to develop it right instead to satisfy players now. Also smaller patches risk more partially (Char/Plot) wipes and they want to keep them as rar as possible.

Point 8 - I can't remember about any client crash in over 350h and only 3-5 disconnects. Disconnects are anyway difficult, it can depend on the server your area is hosted on, it can also depend on your ISP (Internet Service Provider) or a knot on the way to the game servers. So disconnects didn't must be a PxD problem itself. Sometimes you need to contact your ISP so they fix the routing for you.

[Mallenroh]

To point 5 and trading:

The point is not that there is no trading system yet but the way crafting is designed there will NEVER be need for trading or a social economy.

And since its their main selling point of their vision, i just want to know how they are going to make a social economy work with the current crafting system.....

There is literally NOTHING to do in the game apart from farming and crafting, and at some point everyone has maxed the skills.
Since 90% of all crafted stuff is absolutely useless, what is there to be traded in the long run that not everyone has already 200 times?

The problem is there is a total lack of a concept how they will make the main selling point of their game work.
I would assume if you build a game around social economy there should be at least the hint of how it will be achieved via game mechanics, because as of now there is nothing so far.

They ad a recipe menu in the upcomming patches....
What for? So you can see at all times how useless 90% of crafting is?
Fix crafting first, make it make sense that the only armor worth crafting is plate.
Make it make sense that the differnt healing and stamina potions do the exact same thing

[lamron]

Very long message to basically just use the same excuses we’ve been seeing. Crazy how one cared how small the dev team was when the promised this huge mmo of the life time but once they start having trouble making that vision come true everyone blames it on the team being small. Literally all of these point were just “if you don’t like the game, it’s cause of you!” “The game is good!” “continue to give them more time!”

[blubberandy]

Originally posted by lamron:

Very long message to basically just use the same excuses we’ve been seeing. Crazy how one cared how small the dev team was when the promised this huge mmo of the life time but once they start having trouble making that vision come true everyone blames it on the team being small. Literally all of these point were just “if you don’t like the game, it’s cause of you!” “The game is good!” “continue to give them more time!”

its about 2 month, just play fortnite and stop talking out of your arse.

[lamron]

Originally posted by blubberandy:

Originally posted by lamron:

Very long message to basically just use the same excuses we’ve been seeing. Crazy how one cared how small the dev team was when the promised this huge mmo of the life time but once they start having trouble making that vision come true everyone blames it on the team being small. Literally all of these point were just “if you don’t like the game, it’s cause of you!” “The game is good!” “continue to give them more time!”

its about 2 month, just play fortnite and stop talking out of your arse.

Crazy cause other games have given much more content in those 2 months. Once the first feature drop happens and it’s barely anything, your excuse will change to “it’s only been 4 months ..”

[blubberandy]

Originally posted by lamron:

Originally posted by blubberandy:

its about 2 month, just play fortnite and stop talking out of your arse.

Crazy cause other games have given much more content in those 2 months. Once the first feature drop happens and it’s barely anything, your excuse will change to “it’s only been 4 months ..”

then go to these other games and praise or whatnot, but noone needs your premature input over here.
as it is right now, the game goes the way i want it to, you probably didn't even red the devnotes.

[Kerpal]

Originally posted by lamron:

Very long message to basically just use the same excuses we’ve been seeing. Crazy how one cared how small the dev team was when the promised this huge mmo of the life time but once they start having trouble making that vision come true everyone blames it on the team being small. Literally all of these point were just “if you don’t like the game, it’s cause of you!” “The game is good!” “continue to give them more time!”

Originally posted by lamron:

Very long message to basically just use the same excuses we’ve been seeing. Crazy how one cared how small the dev team was when the promised this huge mmo of the life time but once they start having trouble making that vision come true everyone blames it on the team being small. Literally all of these point were just “if you don’t like the game, it’s cause of you!” “The game is good!” “continue to give them more time!”

Interesting. Where are your facts? Why don’t you go with all your knowledge and all your supposed facts and truths on all my 10 points to counter them?! Blow out some facts to disprove all my info. I’m curious. But let’s stay with the truth and the facts.
Besides, so you want to tell us here that the Devs of Pax Dei once somewhere told us that they are as big as Blizzard or AGS for comparison or as big as Arena-net? And because of their sheer size they bring out the best and biggest MMO of all time? Come on share with us the link. I want to see original conversation, post or interview.

[lamron]

Originally posted by Silv3rCGN:

Originally posted by lamron:

Very long message to basically just use the same excuses we’ve been seeing. Crazy how one cared how small the dev team was when the promised this huge mmo of the life time but once they start having trouble making that vision come true everyone blames it on the team being small. Literally all of these point were just “if you don’t like the game, it’s cause of you!” “The game is good!” “continue to give them more time!”

Originally posted by lamron:

Very long message to basically just use the same excuses we’ve been seeing. Crazy how one cared how small the dev team was when the promised this huge mmo of the life time but once they start having trouble making that vision come true everyone blames it on the team being small. Literally all of these point were just “if you don’t like the game, it’s cause of you!” “The game is good!” “continue to give them more time!”

Interesting. Where are your facts? Why don’t you go with all your knowledge and all your supposed facts and truths on all my 10 points to counter them?! Blow out some facts to disprove all my info. I’m curious. But let’s stay with the truth and the facts.
Besides, so you want to tell us here that the Devs of Pax Dei once somewhere told us that they are as big as Blizzard or AGS for comparison or as big as Arena-net? And because of their sheer size they bring out the best and biggest MMO of all time? Come on, share with us the link. I want to see original conversation, post or interview.

You can ignore the facts all you want. I’m tired of bringing them up cause you guys have an excuse at the ready for each one. I’m not even comparing this game to the biggest mmos out there unlike everyone else who says the player count will return. There are games that have come out in the past 6 months that are doing much better than this game as far as players and are dropping content faster. If you don’t know which games then that is on you. Maybe pay attention to other games and not just this one that was sold to you as a dream or “vision”

[blubberandy]

Originally posted by lamron:

Originally posted by Silv3rCGN:

Interesting. Where are your facts? Why don’t you go with all your knowledge and all your supposed facts and truths on all my 10 points to counter them?! Blow out some facts to disprove all my info. I’m curious. But let’s stay with the truth and the facts.
Besides, so you want to tell us here that the Devs of Pax Dei once somewhere told us that they are as big as Blizzard or AGS for comparison or as big as Arena-net? And because of their sheer size they bring out the best and biggest MMO of all time? Come on, share with us the link. I want to see original conversation, post or interview.

You can ignore the facts all you want. I’m tired of bringing them up cause you guys have an excuse at the ready for each one. I’m not even comparing this game to the biggest mmos out there unlike everyone else who says the player count will return. There are games that have come out in the past 6 months that are doing much better than this game as far as players and are dropping content faster. If you don’t know which games then that is on you. Maybe pay attention to other games and not just this one that was sold to you as a dream or “vision”

who the hell cares about other games? its about this game. why we should start doing useless comparsion. another useless premature bald statement.
if you're tired of arguing, then talk to your walls

[Kerpal]

Originally posted by lamron:

Originally posted by blubberandy:

its about 2 month, just play fortnite and stop talking out of your arse.

Crazy cause other games have given much more content in those 2 months. Once the first feature drop happens and it’s barely anything, your excuse will change to “it’s only been 4 months ..”

OK, that’s your counter to. 7 <-- So just because other publishers and developers have put out more content within that time doesn’t mean that Pax Dei’s Devs have to do the same, right?
Maybe they have a different plan and need more time because even more features need to mesh together and work directly.

[lamron]

Originally posted by blubberandy:

Originally posted by lamron:

You can ignore the facts all you want. I’m tired of bringing them up cause you guys have an excuse at the ready for each one. I’m not even comparing this game to the biggest mmos out there unlike everyone else who says the player count will return. There are games that have come out in the past 6 months that are doing much better than this game as far as players and are dropping content faster. If you don’t know which games then that is on you. Maybe pay attention to other games and not just this one that was sold to you as a dream or “vision”

who the hell cares about other games? its about this game. why we should start doing useless comparsion. another useless premature bald statement.
if you're tired of arguing, then talk to your walls

Sound good bro! You’re right. The game is in EA so I should just give it time. It’s amazing in its current state and look incredible! If you are looking to play with others in the game, let us know what server and game shard you are on. Pax Vobiscum!

[Kerpal]

Originally posted by lamron:

Originally posted by Silv3rCGN:

Interesting. Where are your facts? Why don’t you go with all your knowledge and all your supposed facts and truths on all my 10 points to counter them?! Blow out some facts to disprove all my info. I’m curious. But let’s stay with the truth and the facts.
Besides, so you want to tell us here that the Devs of Pax Dei once somewhere told us that they are as big as Blizzard or AGS for comparison or as big as Arena-net? And because of their sheer size they bring out the best and biggest MMO of all time? Come on, share with us the link. I want to see original conversation, post or interview.

You can ignore the facts all you want. I’m tired of bringing them up cause you guys have an excuse at the ready for each one. I’m not even comparing this game to the biggest mmos out there unlike everyone else who says the player count will return. There are games that have come out in the past 6 months that are doing much better than this game as far as players and are dropping content faster. If you don’t know which games then that is on you. Maybe pay attention to other games and not just this one that was sold to you as a dream or “vision”

Hey, you’re getting emotional. Please follow the rules here. Facts versus facts or counterarguments as long as it’s true would be helpful. Otherwise open a new mimimi thread where you can reveal all your bad, negative feelings without any hard based facts. We want to have a decent adult discussion here. Thank you.

[lamron]

Originally posted by Silv3rCGN:

Originally posted by lamron:

You can ignore the facts all you want. I’m tired of bringing them up cause you guys have an excuse at the ready for each one. I’m not even comparing this game to the biggest mmos out there unlike everyone else who says the player count will return. There are games that have come out in the past 6 months that are doing much better than this game as far as players and are dropping content faster. If you don’t know which games then that is on you. Maybe pay attention to other games and not just this one that was sold to you as a dream or “vision”

Hey, you’re getting emotional. Please follow the rules here. Facts versus facts or counterarguments as long as it’s true would be helpful. Otherwise open a new mimimi thread where you can reveal all your bad, negative feelings without any hard based facts. We want to have a decent adult discussion here. Thank you.

You’re right bro! Everything on the internet has to be fact! Silly me. What game shard are you playing on so that we can get off the forums and just have fun grinding and exploring together? Please let me know so I can try to join you in game and check out your lovely home!

Pax Vobiscum

[Menzagitat]

Originally posted by lamron:

Pax Vobiscum