Pax Dei
jadenedaj on x 2024 年 7 月 11 日 下午 6:16
HOW are plots free in Once Human?
Ive seen a lot of reasoning why plots need to cost money, then Once Human comes out, is FREE, with FREE plots and I'm like... HUH?
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Maria 2024 年 7 月 13 日 下午 3:00 
引用自 Ankido
I lost money buying this game only to find out you have to pay more money. This game died out before it even launched.

No subs for at least a year (probably longer). If you did not like the game, why not do a refund within 2 hours on steam?
Ankido 2024 年 7 月 13 日 下午 3:26 
引用自 Mariella
引用自 Ankido
I lost money buying this game only to find out you have to pay more money. This game died out before it even launched.

No subs for at least a year (probably longer). If you did not like the game, why not do a refund within 2 hours on steam?
I loaded the game. Waited for a friend to log in while I was making coffee. Like a fool I should have had the game closed. Went over 2 hours. She was able to refund.
Einstine 2024 年 7 月 13 日 下午 3:41 
引用自 Ankido
I loaded the game. Waited for a friend to log in while I was making coffee. Like a fool I should have had the game closed. Went over 2 hours. She was able to refund.

LMAO Kudos to you for sharing that. That had to sting just a little.
最后由 Einstine 编辑于; 2024 年 7 月 13 日 下午 3:42
Balmung 2024 年 7 月 13 日 下午 4:32 
引用自 Mariella
引用自 Balmung
It installs spyware on your computer to collect all possible data they could find on it. And that from a Chinese developer.

Everyone already has zoomers data. They spam instagram and facebook with selfies, make every detail about their life public, like when they go on vocation, for how long and where to.
Ah, I see, so it didn't matter at all anymore. Well, then you have sure also no problem to post your full address here, right, because it didn't matter?

They do all that while upvoting reddit conspiracy theories on a smartphone, that claim birds don't exist and instead are mechanical and used by the government to spy on you. While lining up to buy chicken from KFC.
Aha, so you have no better argument as this is a conspiracy theory. With that you can put really everything down. Fact is, and the developer has not contradicted this, that other programs are installed alongside the game, which are not uninstalled even after the game is uninstalled, remain on the PC and are for data collecting.

It's players like you that are the reason why we're screwed up. Always don't give a sh*t, no matter if we are early on something bad or way too late.
Maria 2024 年 7 月 13 日 下午 6:13 
引用自 Balmung
引用自 Mariella

Everyone already has zoomers data. They spam instagram and facebook with selfies, make every detail about their life public, like when they go on vocation, for how long and where to.
Ah, I see, so it didn't matter at all anymore. Well, then you have sure also no problem to post your full address here, right, because it didn't matter?

They do all that while upvoting reddit conspiracy theories on a smartphone, that claim birds don't exist and instead are mechanical and used by the government to spy on you. While lining up to buy chicken from KFC.
Aha, so you have no better argument as this is a conspiracy theory. With that you can put really everything down. Fact is, and the developer has not contradicted this, that other programs are installed alongside the game, which are not uninstalled even after the game is uninstalled, remain on the PC and are for data collecting.

It's players like you that are the reason why we're screwed up. Always don't give a sh*t, no matter if we are early on something bad or way too late.

There is a difference between sporadic data leaks and specific targeting of individuals. For example there was a data leak of those in the military in UK (that was blamed on China). No one was considered to be at threat. Because unless they were involved in war crimes or something, no one would be interested in some random soldiers details unless they wanted to sell them a claim for PTSD.

Since you asked why I would not just give out my address online, I actually made that mistake once some years ago when I was drunk. Ended up with two stalkers watching my house, who I only found out about because they got into a scuffle with each other. I'm actually on onlyfans, but I don't use social media. So no one could connect my videos to my real name or location, unless by some weird chance they were my neighbour or a delivery driver and recognised me. Thankfully I am no where as famous as some idle influenzas and don't wish to be.

Either way what I'm trying to suggest, is that someone can either have your photo or video or they can have all your personal details. It only becomes a recipe for disaster if they can match both together.

If you live in a country that will refund you if someone manages to withdraw money from your bank account and spend it on crypto, then its more a nuisance than anything.

Seriously I am more worried about my own government knowing too much about me than I am about a foreign power. The enemy more often is within the gates, not outside them.

About programs that remain when you uninstall a game, no one has a problem with easyanticheat remaining behind even if you delete its folder, but if a game from another country does the same thing, oh the horror.

I have never played once human, so have no interest in defending it. In the past people used to check their back seat when driving, or under their bed for communists. Now the boogeymen are all meant to be online desperate to infiltrate the lives of average jane and joe to turn them into bloodthirsty lefties and revolt against their government.
最后由 Maria 编辑于; 2024 年 7 月 13 日 下午 6:17
Odynn 2024 年 7 月 13 日 下午 11:33 
The issue over plots has me disgruntled as well. Purchased the EA edition and it was ok. Figured I'd give it some time and perhaps purchase the additional packs at a later time should I decide to continue playing, I mean who couldn't use extra character slots and "plots" right? Wrong, apparently, it's a total number of plots per account, not per character. Only to discover this after spending two weeks in communication with Pax Dei's "customer service"

Most games at this stage offer this type of DLC or account upgrade per character not per account. I fail to see the point in having four characters with only two plots to split between them.

Of course by this time the 14 day/2 hour play time has expired and Steam has denied any refund, even back to the wallet. Sad...on both levels.
Lotus Lenex 2024 年 7 月 14 日 上午 3:49 
When a game is free, the monetization model is microtransactions.
Once Human will rely on this if it doesn't already now.

I will gladly pay a subscription if it ensures a quality product free of microtrans.

That is why Plots Cost Money.
iKilledTheRainbow 2024 年 7 月 14 日 上午 5:14 
引用自 Lotus Lenex
When a game is free, the monetization model is microtransactions.
Once Human will rely on this if it doesn't already now.

I will gladly pay a subscription if it ensures a quality product free of microtrans.

That is why Plots Cost Money.
Rather pay a mandatory subscription for building plots than have optional cosmetics that you can purchase and let you build for free. What a genius.
Maria 2024 年 7 月 14 日 上午 7:33 
引用自 iKilledTheRainbow
引用自 Lotus Lenex
When a game is free, the monetization model is microtransactions.
Once Human will rely on this if it doesn't already now.

I will gladly pay a subscription if it ensures a quality product free of microtrans.

That is why Plots Cost Money.
Rather pay a mandatory subscription for building plots than have optional cosmetics that you can purchase and let you build for free. What a genius.

Your not understanding that bases get routine wipe in once human. It's like rust. If having more than one plot for base was useful. Everyone would just spam alt accounts and block off vast areas.

I usually prefer cash shop over subs. But in this case, it would just allow selfish players to buy up account CD keys, so they can spam huge bases with 40+ plots. Because all they care about is trying to compensate for a small pp.
最后由 Maria 编辑于; 2024 年 7 月 14 日 上午 7:36
Balmung 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 5:30 
引用自 Mariella
There is a difference between sporadic data leaks and specific targeting of individuals. For example there was a data leak of those in the military in UK (that was blamed on China). No one was considered to be at threat. Because unless they were involved in war crimes or something, no one would be interested in some random soldiers details unless they wanted to sell them a claim for PTSD.

Since you asked why I would not just give out my address online, I actually made that mistake once some years ago when I was drunk. Ended up with two stalkers watching my house, who I only found out about because they got into a scuffle with each other. I'm actually on onlyfans, but I don't use social media. So no one could connect my videos to my real name or location, unless by some weird chance they were my neighbour or a delivery driver and recognised me. Thankfully I am no where as famous as some idle influenzas and don't wish to be.

Either way what I'm trying to suggest, is that someone can either have your photo or video or they can have all your personal details. It only becomes a recipe for disaster if they can match both together.

If you live in a country that will refund you if someone manages to withdraw money from your bank account and spend it on crypto, then its more a nuisance than anything.

Seriously I am more worried about my own government knowing too much about me than I am about a foreign power. The enemy more often is within the gates, not outside them.

About programs that remain when you uninstall a game, no one has a problem with easyanticheat remaining behind even if you delete its folder, but if a game from another country does the same thing, oh the horror.

I have never played once human, so have no interest in defending it. In the past people used to check their back seat when driving, or under their bed for communists. Now the boogeymen are all meant to be online desperate to infiltrate the lives of average jane and joe to turn them into bloodthirsty lefties and revolt against their government.
Ok, thanks for the long answer. I now understand better what you mean and largely agree. But there are always leaks from games companies and large platforms, and data is often linked if possible, because the more complete a person's private data is, the more money you can get for it. And who knows whether such data won't end up with your government.

Too many people are interested in our private data because it is worth hard cash, and with hard cash we know what people are capable of. Morals are quickly thrown overboard and none of them are concerned about people's safety, all what count for them is making money. But not having social media is a good start. I have only X, but use it in a very limited way.

Easy Anti Cheat is well known, shows itself at the start of the game and makes no secret about itself. That software used in once human seems to have a very cryptic name so you need to do a search to find out what it is. It feels like they want to disguise its purpose.
最后由 Balmung 编辑于; 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 5:32
Waffle_Goblin 2024 年 7 月 15 日 下午 4:41 
The devs have not confirmed that they will charge per plot.

Pax Dei has limited plot space, and is intended to be very interactivity-heavy so that can pose a major problem. The devs have already wiped unused plots in EA once and it hasn't even been out for a month. Wiping plots in live will not be as simple because they won't be able to use the EA status as cover.

People whine about charging per-plot but we have NO IDEA how much is planned per plot if they do go that route. EVE Online is $20/mo, historically MMOs are $15/mo, so you can expect Pax Dei to be in that range. It is not only possible, but probable, that they would charge less than the above amounts for a single plot. My thinking is $5-$10 per plot.

This would not only let the devs control the land acquisition a bit (because some of you will STILL whine about paying for land and refuse to do so) but also allow some flexibility for players that don't have the money to spend. They have also flat-out said they want to add limited free access. They have also flat-out said that charging per plot allows them a way to "free up land once players leave the game (or become ‘inactive’)".

If you're fine with a flat monthly fee but not something more flexible, arguably more optional, and based on something other than simply existing then you really need to learn what critical thinking is and how to utilize it. If you expect a game to be free (no sub, no P2W, no micro-transactions, no gacha) then you should probably take a business or economics course or three and stop talking about finances until you pass them.

The number of entitled players in games these days with 0 knowledge of how a business is run or a game is developed posting about things they don't understand these days is astounding.
Disturbed 2024 年 7 月 16 日 上午 4:53 
引用自 sarteck
引用自 Balmung
other programs are installed alongside the game, which are not uninstalled even after the game is uninstalled, remain on the PC and are for data collecting.

You are talking about things you don't know about again. Just like earlier when you claimed the login counter was "spyware on your computer to collect all possible data they could find," when it was only a count of the number of times you logged in.

You don't really know what "facts" are. You're so gung-ho to defend this game that you make up things about other games compared to it.

You're lying.

This is a repost because apparently the first take was "too insulting" and I got put in a corner for 24 hours.


This whole thing reminds me of Helldivers 2.

People always get very pro data-protection when it involves a game they do not like. (or need to make a point)
And then the moment they get off their soapbox they go back to playing plenty of other games that harvest your data or use kernel anti-cheat, ordering food to their homes. signing up for news letters (to get an alpha test key for a game) etc etc.

If you're on the internet in 2024, congratulations. your data has most likely all been leaked already. now you either deal with that and keep doing the things you enjoy or you leave the internet and go live off-grid somewhere.
最后由 Disturbed 编辑于; 2024 年 7 月 16 日 上午 4:54
GuNNuP 2024 年 7 月 16 日 上午 7:06 
引用自 (Jaden) AceAngel TTV
Ive seen a lot of reasoning why plots need to cost money, then Once Human comes out, is FREE, with FREE plots and I'm like... HUH?
you notice the limit of pieces? we can place THOUSANDS. We also don't have a limit on power generators. Just limited by charcoal making. Which is limited in some parts. Most of this is also 100% server sided. Which Once Human has a lot of things besides the server that are client sided. (or shooting and hit boxes would not feel as good as they do) Because of the 100% server side, the hit boxes within this game is gutter. Hopefully they can figure out a way to make it engaging and what not, but even the combat in once human is much better in terms of melee, WITHOUT any bonus actions.

So a mostly server sided game, vs a client/server about 50/50 split. (Bonus rust is the same, but way less player count.)

Also, notice at phase one servers, how densely packed it is? Hard to ever place down a "camp" in a reasonable spot.
最后由 GuNNuP 编辑于; 2024 年 7 月 16 日 上午 7:11
AbraCadaver 2024 年 7 月 16 日 上午 8:55 
引用自 (Jaden) AceAngel TTV
Ive seen a lot of reasoning why plots need to cost money, then Once Human comes out, is FREE, with FREE plots and I'm like... HUH?
If you can't figure it out. then, YOU are the product
Maria 2024 年 7 月 16 日 上午 9:45 
引用自 GuNNuP
引用自 (Jaden) AceAngel TTV
Ive seen a lot of reasoning why plots need to cost money, then Once Human comes out, is FREE, with FREE plots and I'm like... HUH?
you notice the limit of pieces? we can place THOUSANDS. We also don't have a limit on power generators. Just limited by charcoal making. Which is limited in some parts. Most of this is also 100% server sided. Which Once Human has a lot of things besides the server that are client sided. (or shooting and hit boxes would not feel as good as they do) Because of the 100% server side, the hit boxes within this game is gutter. Hopefully they can figure out a way to make it engaging and what not, but even the combat in once human is much better in terms of melee, WITHOUT any bonus actions.

So a mostly server sided game, vs a client/server about 50/50 split. (Bonus rust is the same, but way less player count.)

Also, notice at phase one servers, how densely packed it is? Hard to ever place down a "camp" in a reasonable spot.

Shooting and hit boxes client side. Wait till everyone starts using an aimbot:steammocking:
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