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The US is FAR from a saintly country by any means - and I say this as an American- and I could regale people with stories of US atrocities for hours. But it generally at least tries to rein them in.
thats not how it works, you shoulden't stay silent and accept that 1 peacefull country is being invaded, citizins being raped and murdered just becuase 1 country did bad before.
Russians and germans are bad and Usa are the good guys. okey?
Or are you saying that Sylvester Stallone was the bad guy in Rocky when he fought the evil russian man, or when he fought in afghanistan in Rambo?
This kind of free thinking is not welcomed here on the internet sir, go watch some American movies about history and you will soon forget all about these "independent thoughts" you are having.
Also, because of the whole kanye west thing recently you should also watch Schindlers List a few times each day for the next week or so, just so you don't start thinking in that direction either.
On the whole sure, but let's not pretend there isn't a huge market for movies and even history (or pseudo-history) that says otherwise. Things like Howard Zinn's a Peoples' History of the US are scarcely less fictional than The Rock or Valley of the Wolves: Iraq but it is more popular than either.
Suspicion and hostility to the US are hardly that.
No, but I am saying that if your entire grasp of history and the movie industry boils down to "Rocky and Rambo", then you're really, REALLY uninformed.
Or making a strawman so big you'd need the Tower of Babel to hoist it up.
If it was not welcomed here on the internet, then why has this thread not been locked or even "better" deleted? Why are we still talking about it?
Oh wait. Your BS is showing.
Schindler's List is always an artful watch and decently accurate (though not perfect).
The example of rambo and rocky was mainly because it is the same actor in both these "cult classic" movies that went all-in to sustain the propaganda machine in the sequels.
I do appreciate your serious tone and well written answers but I personally kind of drift in and out of really caring and then I just write things like my previous post.
I am not to be taken very seriously, Apply the same level of seriousness and scrutiny to me and what I write as you would do to a CNN "breaking news" coverage about any given war is my proffesional and humble recommendation.
I sometimes wear a white robe so you know you can trust my recommendations.
This is a fair point. Though I note that Rocky is notable because Drago is the villain in Rocky IV. Who are the villains for the other movies? Apollo Creed (I and II), Thunderlips and Clubber Lang (III), and most notable and evil of all George Washington Duke (V). Al Americans.
Drago is far worse than Creed, Clubber, and Thunderlips (given killing someone in the ring), but he is not exceptionally worse. And it is also noting he is being used as a propaganda tool.
Fair enough.
That is a decent argument, but unfortunately for you I freaking HATE CNN and love flambeeing them. : P
Ah, I think I might have met you beneath the burning cross. Did you manage to get the autograph from Ron Stallworth too?
I had to stop coming because the eyeholes in my mask didn't fit.
Lol. True, though I think he was underestimating it. What the badge and watch represented -e specially the badge- were worth way more than just what the gold was worth.
I meant a doctors robe, to be considered important and have the ability to sell drugs to children in public with no mask on AND get away with it? What is not to like amirite? gnomesayn?
Besides that I liked your comment.
And it's a shame that you don't like cnn, kinda ruined my whole point now.
You... ;)
The US has zero reasons to help out Ukraine, yet we've sent over 100 billion and how many Ukrainian politicians have been busted across the border with suitcases of money? Why are all these famous people taking tours of Ukraine if it's an actual warzone? Those same folks never showed up in Kabul or Baghdad.
You're believing the same people that told you that C-19 was a world ending disease and that if you didn't get a certain injection, a hurricane could kill you. I bet you haven't looked at the increased deaths across the world due to that thing that was supposed to save your life. Argue all you want, but explain to me the vast number of pilots who can no longer fly, explain to me the explosion in cancer cases (young people all of a sudden in terminal cancer stages), and how all those young professional athletes keep dropping, yet not one politician has fallen.
Ukraine has the Azov....remember Germany in the 1940s....you're supporting the same people. It's not hard to get actual footage from the events over there and war isn't cool, but the atrocities that are spoken of are being performed by Ukraine. Ukraine's the one talking about making a dirty bomb, Putin already gave them a chance to stop this mess after he liberated Russians living in Ukraine, but the dancer of Ukraine wants to fast track its NATO application, which was why Putin came over to begin with.
You can play games and still not be blind.
Not really.
Abject nonsense.
This war started in 2014 as a result of an internal Ukrainian conflict (albeit with heavy foreign involvement from both Russia and the West) about an ASSOCIATION AGREEMENT with the EU, NOT NATO.
The truth is that NATO "pushing" into Ukraine was not even on the cards nor was it supported prior to the Russian invasions of 2014. NOT THAT IT WOULD JUSTIFY SUCH AN ILLEGAL INVASION AND PARTITION EVEN IF IT WAS, considering how the Putin Dictatorship tacitly acknowledged Ukraine had complete freedom to decide its foreign policy alignments (same as Russia itself and the other signatories) in the Astana Declaration of 2010.
https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/b/6/74985.pdf
Please pay particular attention to Article 3.
NATO is a red herring. It's being played because it superficially (if you don't understand the chronology or underlying issues) sounds convincing and plays to some isolationist and dovish sentiment as well as the (perfectly rational )desire to avoid conflict.
Dubious. The fact is that nobody who knows what happened to the pipelines is willing to tell the public with receipts. For all we know it is perfectly possible (even if somewhat unlikely) that it was an accident, in light of previous poor Russian pipeline maintenance as well as the uncharacteristic lull in NordS's use.
Oh, please, PLEASE tell me what this "murder." Was. Because if you're going to pull the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, idiotic victim-blaming that is 9/11 trutherism I will gladly give you a verbal slapdown.
Untrue. Paging Budapest 1994.
https://www.pircenter.org/media/content/files/12/13943175580.pdf
Now, if you want to argue that a quadrilateral international agreement is "zero reason" you are happy to do so, but you're going to have to make your case, especially given the magnitude of it and how this resulted in Ukrainian denuclearization.
And besides principle there is the simple fact that Ukraine is a very large, resource rich region important to the global economy in many ways such as the cereals markets, and the US has no reason to want it to fall back under the sway of a strategic enemy.
True, welcome to war.
No idea, will have to check.
Former Soviet Space is corrupt? Imagine my shock. Film at eleven.
Now compare this to the KMT during the Nanjing Decade, which was by ANY measure worse than the current Ukrainian Government (in freedom, in corruption, in actual Fascist influence, etc), and try to argue that means that the US and others shouldn't have cared about the Japanese rampaging through the country.
Firstly: War Tourism is a thing and has been so for centuries, and particularly within the last few decades.
Secondly: just because the country's a warzone doesn't mean that all of it is equally a warzone. You're not likely to run into many Russian BTGs in Lviv or even Kyiv. So like most VIPs (whether actual military command or civilians) they tend to stick to the rear areas where the risk can be somewhat limited.
And we see evidence for this in history. Churchill, Roosevelt, and others happily visited troops at "the front" in the wider warzone, but that didn't actually mean they journeyed to the actual front so close that German or Japanese troops were eyeballing them from yard away.
Similar practice here. Similar practice throughout much of the world since the 19th century.
No, a bunch of them did. It's just that the likes of the USO tend to get less attention.
https://www.uso.org/stories/2383-uso-2019-spring-tour-entertains-troops-in-afghanistan
There's also the fact that Kabul and even Baghdad are a hell of a lot less "civilized" and connected to the wider world than Kyiv, so someone who is willing to take their chances and go to Kyiv is probably going to be a lot less willing to take their chances in Kabul.
I don't believe them except when what they claim jives with my own research. And believe me I could HAPPILY talk about the systematic dishonesty (and often counter-productively so; see Nuland) by such people.
I have, though the mixture of ambiguity in reporting as well as squelching of data makes it hard to do it.
I can't for now, though I will be keeping my ear to the ground about that in the months to come.
Politicians have died aplenty. They just tend not to be particularly prominent. Brent Yonts isn't exactly a household name.
As for the explosion in cancer cases, I don't know. Though I'd guess (as a former orderly) that at least SOME of it is the increasingly anal, over-managed medical approach we have resulted in people going in for checkups and the "regular jabs" a lot more, resulting in increased detection rate.
Whether or not that's enough to explain the discrepancy is another thing entirely, and I won't say that.
Yes it does. And Azov got crippled from Mariupol and was politically weak even before then.
And Russia has the Russian Imperial Movement and Wagner.
No, I'm not. Even the likes of Azov with actual ideological ties to bad people in the 1940s trace said ideology back to the likes of Ukrainian fascists like Bandera and Melnyk (who tacitly proposed collaboration with the Nazis and did so for a couple years before getting backstabbed).
This is in sharp contrast to the likes of Dmitry Utkin, who are out and proud Neo-Nazis.
Citation ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Needed.
I'm sure there are more than a few atrocities being committed by Ukrainian Loyalist units (and indeed the Ukrainian government acknowledges this, given the actions of scum like Aidar), but a lot of the more infamous cases such as Bucha are another kettle of fish. And it's telling how many of the "Ukrainian Loyalists did Bucha" theories break apart.
No, it's really not.
Putin's the one claiming Ukraine is talking about making a dirty bomb, but as we've discussed Putin has claimed a LOT of ♥♥♥♥ that is blatantly, obviously false.
And in this case he got humiliated by pointing out that the Kremlin claimed "photos" of the "dirty bomb materials" were actually years old photos from Slovenia at a waste disposal location.
Firstly: Putin hasn't liberated anybody or anything. It's telling that even the "liberated" areas in the Donbas are under martial law among assorted warlords like Girkin (and if you knew ANYTHING about Girkin you'd realize how "liberator" does not describe the man).
Secondly: OH, PUTIN GAVE THEM A CHANCE TO "STOP THIS MESS"?!?! HOW GENEROUS OF HIM.
SHAME HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY MEAN IT, AS HIS VIOLATIONS OF MINSK I AND II SHOW.
As does the basic fact that no Ukrainian has any reason to trust him to keep his word, given what happened with Budapest 1994 and Astana 2010.
And if you don't know what I refer to by those, you should probably stop talking about the subject and look at them.
This is abject ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on every level.
Firstly: Putin "came over to begin with" in 2014, when Ukraine wasn't even an associate of the EU, let alone NATO, and in fact wouldn't even be eligible to START THE PROCESS of joining NATO even if it had wanted to (and prior to the war it did not) for years.
Which is why I refer to NATO-bothering as a red herring.
Secondly: WHY DO YOU THINK UKRAINE MIGHT WANT TO JOIN NATO?
They've had a chance to see the war on their soil since 2014. Moreover, they've had a chance to see what Moldova and Georgia have been like since the '90s, when Russian troops propped up violent separatist movements that have plunged their countries into dysfunctional frozen conflicts lasting years. Why do you think any country would want that for them?
This is victim blaming.
There are none so blind as those who will not see. You should get your vision checked.
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