how to win as Wales

[Def]

I keep getting my ass beat by this racist ass game, how do i ascend to green authority? thank u

[CastleGoat]

It is impossible. The Authority mechanic is ankered in buildings and that means the larger and more populated your empire the more authority you gain.

As Wales you never can catch up with the large nations and thus never win.

In my eyes that were bad design decissions. They did not want to take over decadence from Empire, which allows small nations to catch up and at least have a chance to becoming a big player.

And they implemented this, which makes the game only winnable for very few nations.

it was telling that the scenarios, that came out for the youtubers were all with equal sized factions of similiar starting strength each. That way the problem with authority is not visibale and the game may be fun for everyone.

But the grand campaign is not for small nations even if they are choosable.

[Saica-Fox]

you dont

[Stan]

Hmn

[gregmannuk]

You can win as small nations. The aim of the game is to accumulate legacy not to conquer the world. I've one as Ulaid (Ulster) which starts with 2 poor regions. The method is to keep small and go through the government types until you get an expanded demesne size, conquer a few regions and repeat. If you expand quickly the authority mechanism will stop you progressing government types.

One of the issues for Wales will be a powerful neighbour so maybe worth trying to improve relations with England to delay getting steamrollered until you are ready.

[loki1006]

Originally posted by CastleGoat:

It is impossible. The Authority mechanic is ankered in buildings and that means the larger and more populated your empire the more authority you gain.

As Wales you never can catch up with the large nations and thus never win.

.....

this is really, fundamentally, wrong. The simplest way to gain net authority is to be below the demesne limit for your type of faction.

there are very very few tier 1 buildings that give authority so at the game start pretty much no faction gains that way.

As above, best solution is to smooch the Saxons so they leave you alone - at the very worst vassal yourself. Join Crusades when they start as that also offers some protection.

I've ended up #2 on legacy as Apulia/Italo-Normans and they have really serious constraints on the speed of any feasible expansion

[PocusFR]

It's indeed an unfair statement. We tested the game for a long time and put mechanisms in place to penalize larger nations, like border frictions, hostile claims, noble sedition, etc. Wales is not the easiest nation... It is up against a larger one. If you see their history, it was tumultuous with the English.

[Zarkarion]

Originally posted by PocusFR:

It's indeed an unfair statement. We tested the game for a long time and put mechanisms in place to penalize larger nations, like border frictions, hostile claims, noble sedition, etc. Wales is not the easiest nation... It is up against a larger one. If you see their history, it was tumultuous with the English.

And in real life, Wales is still under English occupation. Despite our puppet government in Cardiff.

[Def]

Originally posted by Zarkarion:

Originally posted by PocusFR:

It's indeed an unfair statement. We tested the game for a long time and put mechanisms in place to penalize larger nations, like border frictions, hostile claims, noble sedition, etc. Wales is not the easiest nation... It is up against a larger one. If you see their history, it was tumultuous with the English.

And in real life, Wales is still under English occupation. Despite our puppet government in Cardiff.

while u devs are here i just want to ask
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3261837533
when will this english vassal return this region to my vassal? it was taken by independents, and then the english came

i have good relations with the english

is this an oversight?

[Dean]

I just want to say hi to any fellow Welshies out there :)

[Ricochet]

Originally posted by Def:

Originally posted by Zarkarion:

And in real life, Wales is still under English occupation. Despite our puppet government in Cardiff.

while u devs are here i just want to ask
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3261837533
when will this english vassal return this region to my vassal? it was taken by independents, and then the english came

i have good relations with the english

is this an oversight?

I'm sure that's a bug. My same scenario is rebels took a region I captured during war and my vassal liberated it for me except it belongs to him now. On peace diplomatic treaty, I could only annex it to my vassal. In Europa Universalis, we have an option to take the region for ourselves that our vassals took or cede the region to our vassals if they have a claim.

[Zarkarion]

Originally posted by Def:

Originally posted by Zarkarion:

And in real life, Wales is still under English occupation. Despite our puppet government in Cardiff.

while u devs are here i just want to ask

I am just the developer of FOG2 Medieval, so I cannot answer your question.

[PocusFR]

You should always be able to ask for a region in a transaction if you are the legitimate owner. Now, the situation from Def is more complex than the one from Ricochet. For Def, it's about a vassal-to-vassal transaction, which I don't think we cover right now. For Ricochet, it's more straightforward, as he is talking about a region taken by one of his own vassals, so it should be legitimate to ask for it in a transaction.

Def, I would like your saved game, as it would speed up finding the solution for the issue.

Procedure:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3262112829

[CastleGoat]

I do not like the Authority system. I do not like the court system. I do not like the UI and color choices.

And I won t waste my time, to find out, if you can win with Wales in the release version. But I strongly doubt, that even if you can, that it is fun playing a one region starting nation.

The game is not for me because I have played the much better game Empires for years.

And even if you need a game to use the Engine and round the profile with the other field of Glory games in the medieval times, I never understood, why you could not just port Empire and its mechanics to this time period.

Why break a good working and fun system and proven UI for something is inferior.
I have won Multiplaer games with very weak factions like Massalia in Empires. But this would never happen in Kingdoms.

[Saica-Fox]

Originally posted by CastleGoat:

I do not like the Authority system. I do not like the court system. I do not like the UI and color choices.

And I won t waste my time, to find out, if you can win with Wales in the release version. But I strongly doubt, that even if you can, that it is fun playing a one region starting nation.

The game is not for me because I have played the much better game Empires for years.

And even if you need a game to use the Engine and round the profile with the other field of Glory games in the medieval times, I never understood, why you could not just port Empire and its mechanics to this time period.

Why break a good working and fun system and proven UI for something is inferior.
I have won Multiplaer games with very weak factions like Massalia in Empires. But this would never happen in Kingdoms.

Wait u think it's worse than empires even tho the ui is the same

[Yazmos]

I am finding this issue also, Wales seems impossible, I have tried various ways and tactics on turn 2 first turn after you press new turn no matter what you may have done you are informed your country id regressing and you go down hill from there and nothing you do changes it your country regress after roughly 30 turns. I agree with the original post of this topic the Authority system for Wales at least is broken and spoils the game making playing as Wales Imposable, Rather than tell the guy he's Wrong which he's not Fix this this broken system! If you still insist on saying its fine, I challenge to to win as, Wales(or at least ascend to the next government level), and make a YouTube showing how to do it!