This vs SWAT 4

[monte]

I have had quite the love for more realistic games in the past few months (Insurgency, day of infamy, rainbow 3) and I heard SWAT 4 was of a similar style. I looked at some stuff on it and it looks similar to this game in quite a few ways. Is it worth buying the disc to play as well or is the likeness too much to warrant a buy.

[Legacy | Tactical-Gaming.net]

Personally I find it boring. Rainbow Six 3 has way more maps, variety and modern updates on the coop servers. Do you play coop missions or terrorist hunt online? Or only single player??

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We have a lot of new modern sights, scopes, maps with destructible environment. Actually there is an entirely new scope/sights update coming this week or next week. Tons of new items like snake camera to see under doors and around corner, tactical flashlight that blinds enemies. Iron sights and custom gun skins. New missions, new tangos and more.

[monte]

I have only played single player so far! I will have a look thanks for the advice.

[FireDrakeZ]

Originally posted by wm1pybro:

I have had quite the love for more realistic games in the past few months (Insurgency, day of infamy, rainbow 3) and I heard SWAT 4 was of a similar style. I looked at some stuff on it and it looks similar to this game in quite a few ways. Is it worth buying the disc to play as well or is the likeness too much to warrant a buy.

Why do you need to buy a disc? GOG has a PC copy.

[monte]

Fair enough that never even crossed my mind. :P

[FireDrakeZ]

Both SWAT 3 and 4 goes for $4.99 when on sale at GOG.

[FireDrakeZ]

Also if you like SWAT and looking for a more modern top down version of this shooter, I recommend Door Kickers(2014). Like SWAT 3 and 4 and Rainbow Six 3 Gold, it requires a lot of tactical strategy planning except from the top down perspective.

[Rai]

Two very different games honestly. They're both highly tactical shooters, so if you're a fan of that genre I would say you should get them both as they're both good at what they do.

The main difference is Rainbow Six is simulating military special operators and SWAT is simulating police special operators. In Rainbow Six, your primary objective is to eliminate(kill) all threats. In SWAT, your primary objective is to serve justice, which may mean killing, but in order to get a perfect score on a mission you have to arrest your suspects rather than kill them. You have to collect evidence, meaning guns, drugs, and other crime-specific items before your mission is fully complete. Your team isn't as large in SWAT as it is in R6, (4 in SWAT vs 8 in R6), but the commands you give them is slightly more in-depth. There's still teams and go-codes, though you don't have as much control over your sniper team in SWAT as in R6.

Overall, they're two fairly different games. If you're looking for an even slower paced version of R6 with an emphasis on taking a non-lethal approach, SWAT 4 is definitely great.

[Smersh]

I personally liked SWAT 4 a lot more, your teammates are more trustworthy since Raven Shield AI is honestly pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ terrible, the on-the-fly decision making is also more my style, having to improvise and adapt to situations as they come is more fun and engaging to me than following one specific plan that may fail for reasons beyond your control, like team AI ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up simple tasks or trigger-happy terrorists spawning in weird locations
They are both the peak of tactical shooters tho, so in the end it comes down to personal preference

[monte]

Originally posted by Smersh:

I personally liked SWAT 4 a lot more, your teammates are more trustworthy since Raven Shield AI is honestly pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ terrible, the on-the-fly decision making is also more my style, having to improvise and adapt to situations as they come is more fun and engaging to me than following one specific plan that may fail for reasons beyond your control, like team AI ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up simple tasks or trigger-happy terrorists spawning in weird locations
They are both the peak of tactical shooters tho, so in the end it comes down to personal preference

Sounds fun I genrally do none/very little planning for this game and just lead the team in myself. I am waiting for a sale on gog like some guy said above to get it.

[Felix]

U have to arrest everybody, take every evidence, and every weapon that terror's drop to finish the missions. But game looks beautifull even now. At least you can take someone's saves and can choose your own mission.

[JtDarth]

Originally posted by LANCERZz:

Two very different games honestly. They're both highly tactical shooters, so if you're a fan of that genre I would say you should get them both as they're both good at what they do.

The main difference is Rainbow Six is simulating military special operators and SWAT is simulating police special operators. In Rainbow Six, your primary objective is to eliminate(kill) all threats. In SWAT, your primary objective is to serve justice, which may mean killing, but in order to get a perfect score on a mission you have to arrest your suspects rather than kill them. You have to collect evidence, meaning guns, drugs, and other crime-specific items before your mission is fully complete. Your team isn't as large in SWAT as it is in R6, (4 in SWAT vs 8 in R6), but the commands you give them is slightly more in-depth. There's still teams and go-codes, though you don't have as much control over your sniper team in SWAT as in R6.

Overall, they're two fairly different games. If you're looking for an even slower paced version of R6 with an emphasis on taking a non-lethal approach, SWAT 4 is definitely great.

It's not so much that you have to arrest, more that you have to follow protocol. If they shoot first, so long as you've announced yourself, you don't get a penalty for turning them swiss, iirc. I don't really remember the scoring system for SWAT all that well tho, as I only did a 'perfect' run once.

I much prefer Rainbow just for the more aggressive tactics you can take, and the way the enemy ai sometimes gives up even more clearly than in SWAT. I have fond memories of walking into a room in raven shield, hosing 2 tangoes, then finding that the two cornered in the next room are already on their knees when I open the door, having pissed themselves at the shotgun blasts from the next room.
You can do a bit of run and gun and more stupid but fun things in raven shield compared to SWAT. I have a ton of fun just running pistols in T-hunt, and it is surprisingly effective in raven shield if you pick the right pistols, but in swat you'll get wreckt hard for trying to do stuff with just pistols.

[BeardifulBill]

I love both games. I love how you never know what you are gonna be getting into each time. One time you play a mission, an old granny will be passive, and stay out of your way. the next time, she will be holding a shotgun and be non responsive.

When I play R6, The opposing force are terrorists, and I go in with maximum force. If any surrender, I execute them and move on. (just the way I play it. they surrender, they slow you down, and time is of the essence.

When playing SWAT. I am very procedural. I try to make the suspects surrender, and arrest them. It's a different mind set. plus not being able to plan your route before the mission starts gives an interesting dynamic.

[Legacy | Tactical-Gaming.net]

Well its not just terrorist hunt mode in R6 3. The missions can be very dynamic. Especially my latest missions. Stopping guys from detonating the bombs. Stealth missions where you can't be seen. No team member losses. Hostages. Leaders to capture. Terrorists calling for backup and flanking and taking cover. anyway the list goes on. I find it to be more diverse.

[FireDrakeZ]

Originally posted by wm1pybro:

Originally posted by Smersh:

I personally liked SWAT 4 a lot more, your teammates are more trustworthy since Raven Shield AI is honestly pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ terrible, the on-the-fly decision making is also more my style, having to improvise and adapt to situations as they come is more fun and engaging to me than following one specific plan that may fail for reasons beyond your control, like team AI ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up simple tasks or trigger-happy terrorists spawning in weird locations
They are both the peak of tactical shooters tho, so in the end it comes down to personal preference

Sounds fun I genrally do none/very little planning for this game and just lead the team in myself. I am waiting for a sale on gog like some guy said above to get it.

Swat 4 is currently on sale at GOG for $4.99.

[monte]

Originally posted by FireDrakeZ:

Originally posted by wm1pybro:

Sounds fun I genrally do none/very little planning for this game and just lead the team in myself. I am waiting for a sale on gog like some guy said above to get it.

Swat 4 is currently on sale at GOG for $4.99.

Dude I love u I am installing it atm. :)