47 % why?

[Sl@da^]

I don't understand what people's problem is here. The game runs absolutely great. The complexity of the game is just right. The monetization is very fair. I've been playing for 40+ hours and I'm completely satisfied. I can experiment with builds however I want. Creating different builds without the fear of ruining my character. For me, it's a better game than its competitors here. I really don't understand what people's problem is.

[Mirai]

Things like "NOT MAH TORCHLIGHT SERIES!" and many content creators did videos claiming the game was highly P2W and extremely predatory, to spite getting backlash for it. After all, outrage generates more clicks and more views. Where is more objective coverage painted a much better but apparently far less viewed image of the game. Thankfully, that's how I found out about it and while I do agree with the fact it has very little tying it to the TL world or franchise, I understand it was made by devs in an entirely different country and culture who may not fully understand how much that mattered to their potential audience and I think for what it is, the game is very good and I'm going to hard commit to this season as the game got "buried in the pile" for me shortly after launch and I kept meaning to come back to it.

[DogdaySunrise]

Devs buying fake positive reviews might be one reason.

[LotusBlade]

Well, you could try reading negative reviews to find out why negative rating. Just to list few real quick:
1) Game lenght is 5 hours.
2) P2W pets, some features only unlockable with real money.
3) No access to new heroes in new season unless you pay / or wait 3 months.
4) It is called Torchlight, but has nothing to do with actual Torchlight series.
5) Bad, chaotic, cluterred UI.
6) Chat limitation to 50 symbols.

And no, it is definitely not better than Titan Quest, Grim Dawn, Drox 2, Diablo 3 etc, unless you compare to very bad games like free diablo infinite. And no, it's not better in terms of builds compared to many old RPGs, like King's Bounty.

[Mirai]

Originally posted by LotusBlade:

Well, you could try reading negative reviews to find out why negative rating. Just to list few real quick:
1) Game lenght is 5 hours.
2) P2W pets, some features only unlockable with real money.
3) No access to new heroes in new season unless you pay / or wait 3 months.
4) It is called Torchlight, but has nothing to do with actual Torchlight series.
5) Bad, chaotic, cluterred UI.
6) Chat limitation to 50 symbols.

And no, it is definitely not better than Titan Quest, Grim Dawn, Drox 2, Diablo 3 etc, unless you compare to very bad games like free diablo infinite. And no, it's not better in terms of builds compared to many old RPGs, like King's Bounty.

1) The campaign is 5 hours. These games are about endgame.
2) The P2W pet thing has been refuted dozens of times now.
3) I'm not a fan of this but it's not the first time we've seen this model.
4) It looks and plays like a TL game. It has no story connection.
5) I don't understand the complaints about the U.I. I'm like it myself.
6) Can't comment. I don't use the chats in these games. Ever.

** (Note: You said "look at the reviews" and stated you are listing the reasons so I'm just responding to those reasons, not saying you yourself agree with them.) **

(4*) is likely due to them wanting to "make the game world their own" and the game's intro literally says it takes place +1000 years or something. Look at how fast our society has developed in 100 years, then imagine 1000. It makes sense that they wanted to do their own thing story-wise and not be tied to the original games.
In addition, this was made in the East and people over there have very different ideas about what makes sense or what is appealing in a game's story and world, and often don't realize how much that matters to a western audience.
That said the story isn't really good, but they rarely are in Asian made games, they're usually pretty cliche or simple in nature but this game is a loot-based ARPG, having a good story can help but it's all about the endgame grind at the end of the day.

Comparison-wise .. I like this better than Grim Dawn, Grim Dawn is a solid game but I'm not quite in the target audience the game was made for. I'm still playing it and I like it OK but it's not amazing.

I'd say it's better than Diablo 3, also. D3 forced you into very specific builds most of which used the same items over and over. This is more like a casual Path of Exile.

This is way better than Diablo Immortal in terms of being a F2P loot-grinder but Diablo Immortal did have some very solid gameplay that I think might very well be better than this game, but that's because the whole design goal was different.

[LotusBlade]

Originally posted by Mirai:

** (Note: You said "look at the reviews" and stated you are listing the reasons so I'm just responding to those reasons, not saying you yourself agree with them.) **

It's enough for players to give negative review even if there is single one feature they don't like. And TorchLight Infinite has many in store, some of which i listed. You can also see some frustration here on forum where players actually explain what they don't like and want get improved.

Many get misleaded about coop, which is not in the game. Some dislike drastinc changes to economy which happened since season-1. Balance has changed a lot since last time i played 5 months ago, especially in terms of crafting and spell-casting.

I myself like game right now and all of it's current features. It deserves around 7/10 and can easely reach 8/10 if devs actually listen to negative critique. Changing title name would be also good idea (like "BadAssHeroes" did, turning into "FuryUnleashed"). Changes to UI isn't something hard to implement either.

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The only thing i personally hate is fact that game spams me with 4 premium pop-ups when i turn it "on" for the first time during day. And forces to put checkmarks to "not show it today" every time. But devs are actually very greedy, after i do that and relog to game, it just generates new fresh pop-ups with different premium stuff, annoying. I won't buy anything from it even if they show thousand of popups, it's not how that works. If i have money - i don't need to get purchases reminders, i'll just spend. If i don't have money, no point to bite my ars upon every login.

[Rin]

This is a Chinese Gacha game. Carry on. The old devs of the series got bought up and then later dissolved by Perfect World which belongs to you know who.

[SoloQ]

The game is buggy. There are talents that do nothing. There's lots of bad grammar and spelling everywhere, especially on the gear. Bought classes are clearly stronger, just from a cursory glance at the passives (one of them has an extra minion slot which is a 17% increase.)
There's lots of problems with the game, but I'll give it one thing, they made a very fun game play loop. It's short, visceral, and fast paced. And the loot/crafting system is one of the more enjoyable ones out there. What's even crazier is that it offers more class customization than D4 does, which blew my mind.
If they ever remove the pay for power aspect of the classes I might give them some money. But MTX stores should only ever be cosmetic or side-grades. There's clearly a lot of inspiration from PoE i just wish they had copied their MTX model.

[Alia Halfleaf]

I think its an awesome game. I am having a blast of a time. I tried the "charge"Moto that I bought with Hero Emblems (so free) but found that the free "order" Moto was a better class to be honest. Either way I think this is a great game that is extremely free-to-play friendly.
The Gatcha-system you can almost totally avoid, as the pactspirits you get as a reward have only a minor influence on your character (I am lvl95 now and only have the 3 basic blue ones and no problems with opponents !).
For a free-to-play game I am very amazed at the quality and fun aspect of this game!!!

[軒轅超人QAQ]

s3 game balance even worst

[★ rootz ★]

The season 3 crafting changes killed the game for me after 250 hrs. The crafting was made this game have something unique. You don't needed PoE algebra education for it. Now they made it like PoE where only a small % will see a mirror like item. That for me was just not what I wanted out of this game, it had a unique place that has lost that. Shame, I won't be back

[stuckintheinbetween]

If it's called Torchlight, that comes with expectations. This game's a dud that failed to meet said expectations, hence the unfavorable response to it.

[Zeronium]

As someone who usually quite easily and happily recommends game to his friends, this one did not make the list not by a long shot. It's extremely confusing, systems upon systems upon systems, constant red marks on random tidbits to claim. I know I've only played a few hours, but it's not something I personally want to continue.

[Trans Kitty Ellie]

I honestly love the game and for others who do. Just have fun, there isn't a point to argue with people who can't even bother with making a better game.

[CyberDown]

Torchlight meant something before it was all sold off. Pretty sure if Diablo Immortal dropped on steam it would be far worse, and that game is the same kind of example of what this is. Just a cash grab mobile game.

Im sure its decent for a phone game. People are not reviewing it on steam as a phone game because its primarily a PC game market place. They want to tap into this market, personally, id like to know if its not a good PC game, and it appears to be not a good PC game, which makes sense since its a phone game.

Im not sure why people are confused on this in 2023. Its fine people can enjoy this, however, there are far better ARPG games out there, and the reviews reflect that. Doesnt mean you cant like it, just that most didnt like it as much as you do. That shouldnt bother you. I like licorice candy, I dont get mad when people over react. I can enjoy something everyone else might not like. Also its just a game.

If you really think this game is the bees knees, and you are not playing it on a phone, i suggest you buy torchlight2, its a real ARPG game and its good, and its cheap, and it was made by the original devs (who also worked on diablo 2)

[VeraelHasta]

Originally posted by Big Bad Mamagen Livvy :3:

I honestly love the game and for others who do. Just have fun, there isn't a point to argue with people who can't even bother with making a better game.

Ahhh yes, the good ol "You didn't make a game, so you have no right to criticize another one". Love to see it!