Current state of the game?

[Dreaguh]

Curious if the game is in a decent state now since before I heard nothing but negative things.

[Katie]

The game is free - you should probably just play it and make your own judgements. From my point of view, the negative comments/reviews mostly feel super reactionary, unjustified, rash/hasty generalizations, etc. I've even seen comments dismissing the game solely based on where the game studio is located. I've played this game for 125 hours and it's really good. It's not perfect, but it's good - especially for free. If you like Diablo and other games like this, I have a hard time seeing how you wouldn't like it. But really, you should play it for yourself. There's no reason not to.

[Dreaguh]

Originally posted by Katie:

The game is free - you should probably just play it and make your own judgements. From my point of view, the negative comments/reviews mostly feel super reactionary, unjustified, rash/hasty generalizations, etc. I've even seen comments dismissing the game solely based on where the game studio is located. I've played this game for 125 hours and it's really good. It's not perfect, but it's good - especially for free. If you like Diablo and other games like this, I have a hard time seeing how you wouldn't like it. But really, you should play it for yourself. There's no reason not to.

Well the early game can be different than the late game, also a game going FTP usually means it's dead or dieing from experiencing, I enjoyed TL2 (minus the in game hacks) and I'm a fan of ARPGs, but some of them take time, and playing for a few hours is not enough to make an assessment.

[ProVegaGamer]

Originally posted by Katie:

The game is free - you should probably just play it and make your own judgements. From my point of view, the negative comments/reviews mostly feel super reactionary, unjustified, rash/hasty generalizations, etc. I've even seen comments dismissing the game solely based on where the game studio is located. I've played this game for 125 hours and it's really good. It's not perfect, but it's good - especially for free. If you like Diablo and other games like this, I have a hard time seeing how you wouldn't like it. But really, you should play it for yourself. There's no reason not to.

Are you an employee for the game? if so, please tell them to make the game "offline playable" so whenever this game gets shut down in the future, at least we can play it all the time solo.

Nothing last forever, so its a future proof thing, thanks.

[Katie]

Originally posted by Dreaguh:

Originally posted by Katie:

The game is free - you should probably just play it and make your own judgements. From my point of view, the negative comments/reviews mostly feel super reactionary, unjustified, rash/hasty generalizations, etc. I've even seen comments dismissing the game solely based on where the game studio is located. I've played this game for 125 hours and it's really good. It's not perfect, but it's good - especially for free. If you like Diablo and other games like this, I have a hard time seeing how you wouldn't like it. But really, you should play it for yourself. There's no reason not to.

Well the early game can be different than the late game, also a game going FTP usually means it's dead or dieing from experiencing, I enjoyed TL2 (minus the in game hacks) and I'm a fan of ARPGs, but some of them take time, and playing for a few hours is not enough to make an assessment.

This game was designed as Free to play from the beginning. It's not a change from a traditional model. It's like Path of Exile.

I think you should play this game because in Season 2, the campaign took me like 5-6 hours. You should be able to decide if you want to keep going after that. Not a big commitment. And besides, I think a lot of comments about the game that I've read in the review section don't jive with my impressions at all so if you base your decision on that, you may as well base the decision off an eight ball.

[Katie]

Originally posted by LAPDAlonzo:

Originally posted by Katie:

The game is free - you should probably just play it and make your own judgements. From my point of view, the negative comments/reviews mostly feel super reactionary, unjustified, rash/hasty generalizations, etc. I've even seen comments dismissing the game solely based on where the game studio is located. I've played this game for 125 hours and it's really good. It's not perfect, but it's good - especially for free. If you like Diablo and other games like this, I have a hard time seeing how you wouldn't like it. But really, you should play it for yourself. There's no reason not to.

Are you an employee for the game? if so, please tell them to make the game "offline playable" so whenever this game gets shut down in the future, at least we can play it all the time solo.

Nothing last forever, so its a future proof thing, thanks.

I don't work for them. And YOU can tell them that - the employees read all the comments here. But in terms of online only, it's not like other games in the marketplace are any different. Diablo 3 and 4 are online-only, as is Path of Exile.

The only offline games in this genre that I have played were Titan Quest, Grim Dawn, the older Torchlight games, and stuff like this.

[Terror]

don't even bother unless you don't have money for actual games

If you desperately need a free to play one though then I guess go for it

[Katie]

Originally posted by HELLFIRE:

don't even bother unless you don't have money for actual games

If you desperately need a free to play one though then I guess go for it

This is "an actual game". What kind of crap is this?

When I said, "reactionary, unjustified, rash/hasty generalizations", this is what I'm talking about. Don't take anyone's word for it. Just play the game. If you're having fun, keep playing. If not, drop it and move on to something else.

[Butcher]

Originally posted by Katie:

This is "an actual game".

No, this is a money making machine where player enjoyment is not a primary and not even secondary concern.

P2W, mobile interface, dripping your characters locked behind paywall. Naaah, just go play Path of Exile.

[Katie]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Originally posted by Katie:

This is "an actual game".

No, this is a money making machine where player enjoyment is not a primary and not even secondary concern.

P2W, mobile interface, dripping your characters locked behind paywall. Naaah, just go play Path of Exile.

The fact that the developer has gone to immense lengths to acquire and utilize player feedback is demonstrable evidence that "player enjoyment is not a primary and not even secondary concern" is false.

The pets are not even that much of a factor in the game either, as evidenced many times on YouTube already. This claim is only ever made by people who don't actually play the game, and the counter-evidence to this claim is made by people who actually play the game. I wonder why that is.

The players have to monetize the game to pay for their work, just as Path of Exile did. It's not like Path of Exile doesn't ask its players to spend $60 on stash tabs, and it's not like Path of Exile does not have its loot box elements either, which further makes your point dishonest if I have to be frank.

At the end of the day, Torchlight Infinite can be played and enjoyed for free. The pets have minimal impact. The cosmetics are entirely optional. The characters are offered at fixed and fair rates and are optional. But even if you want a character, the primocryst packs are priced in exact amounts, and they are not locked behind a gacha. That is vastly more pro-consumer than the loot boxes in Path of Exile or most mobile games. Frankly, you're just not even remotely qualified to assess this. You just make claims hoping people believe you. What the ♥♥♥♥ do you have against the game or the developers anyway?

[Butcher]

Originally posted by Katie:

Originally posted by Butcher:

No, this is a money making machine where player enjoyment is not a primary and not even secondary concern.

P2W, mobile interface, dripping your characters locked behind paywall. Naaah, just go play Path of Exile.

The fact that the developer has gone to immense lengths to acquire and utilize player feedback is demonstrable evidence that "player enjoyment is not a primary and not even secondary concern" is false.

The pets are not even that much of a factor in the game either, as evidenced many times on YouTube already. This claim is only ever made by people who don't actually play the game, and the counter-evidence to this game is made by people who actually play the game. I wonder why that is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uWxu4DvYpc

[軒轅超人QAQ]

what kind like torchlight infinite move power Creed this?!

[Nikanuur]

Originally posted by Katie:

The game is free - you should probably just play it and make your own judgements. From my point of view, the negative comments/reviews mostly feel super reactionary, unjustified, rash/hasty generalizations, etc. I've even seen comments dismissing the game solely based on where the game studio is located. I've played this game for 125 hours and it's really good. It's not perfect, but it's good - especially for free. If you like Diablo and other games like this, I have a hard time seeing how you wouldn't like it. But really, you should play it for yourself. There's no reason not to.

Yeah, like everytime some developer dehonested the initial idea and vector making it into yet-another-same-vain-copypastahash while implementing few of the graphical-only ideas to salt the wound--eeh, sorry, to attract more on "look how it looks the same".

Lack of ingenuity and turning a blind eye to not having one bit of a character where once used to be just that.

Reactive and hateful and generalized? No, deserved judgement.

Now go and say your vain reactive nonsensical argument and play your new form-over-value mmorpg.

[Citizen]

Feels like a browser game

[BlueAuran]

Graphics are pretty crisp for a browser game...also 10Gb for flash? You must have one super clunky chunky phone...

[Rotdhizon]

I'm not one that cares about graphics or customization, I care about progression and that's where this game falls short. If you scroll far enough back to before when this game completely died in the west, you can see how bad it is.

The endgame is 100% revolved around getting specific drops to boost your build. The problem is that they unbelievably screwed up the loot pools. They made it so that the critical items most people need for their builds are only possible to obtain in the absolute hardest encounters and those encounters are so difficult that most people can't beat them without cheesing them with a broken build. There is practically 0 progression in that mid-endgame area and the devs have acknowledged this time and time again. They know that there is a huge gap in progression and have said they will try to work on it but so far it is still pretty bad. In the current state of the game, you are practically required to use whatever broken/OP builds that are found if you want to do the hardest content.