Hong Lu's "Effervescent Corrosion" Is TETH

[Flygoniaks]

I know this seems like a really strange thing to complain about, but...

Project Moon, if you're somehow reading this, I'd love of it you changed Hong Lu's "Effervescent Corrosion" E.G.O to either ZAYIN or HE (and balance it accordingly) before releasing it - he already has two TETH E.G.O and doesn't need a third right now.

[Reptiloid]

Eh, his shoes ego is useless, so I disagree with you on that one.

[Flygoniaks]

Originally posted by Reptiloid:

Eh, his shoes ego is useless, so I disagree with you on that one.

What are you talking about? Sure, it's not the BEST E.G.O in the game, but at Tier 4 it's definitely usable due to being AoE. Since Hong Lu has generally high speed, it allows him to soften up enemies so slower allies can deal more damage. Plus, even at lower tiers, it makes for a good clashing tool considering that Hong Lu has several IDs that generate Lust.

[Sol's Soul]

I definitely think it's a missed opportunity to make it a ZAYIN class or maybe even HE, as now like you've said 3 E.G.Os will be contending for the same spot

Though his ZAYIN E.G.O is already pretty good, as it is (from what I remember) now the only base E.G.O which is essentially "free" sanity wise, so it would have been a tough clash if Effervescent Corrosion was ZAYIN as well

I'll just wait and see for both the sin resources needed to use the new E.G.O and the stats of said E.G.O before making my mind up fully, it may semi-line up with Wayward Passenger's needed resources which would work better with my team composition compared to Roseate Desire for example (Although, Soda already lines up perfectly, and I gotta love me some Well Cheers)

[Angela]

Roseate Desire is somewhat at odds with Dimension Shredder but with a worse resource cost as it requires the same resources for Fluic Sac

Corroded Dimension Shredder will give 3 fragiles and its AoE with better Coin power and effects, that around at the level of 10 defense level down and you don't even need to use his charge id as Don Telepole will fix it for you

Soda is more or less useless, it's expensive and is basically a worse Fluid Sac while also taking resources from Fluid Sac.

[Sol's Soul]

Oh yeah, soda is incredibly useless (or rather very very very niche), but I cannot deny that I enjoy the silliness of Hong Lu transforming into his Soda suit, magical girl style

[jobhobster]

Originally posted by Sol's Soul:

Oh yeah, soda is incredibly useless (or rather very very very niche), but I cannot deny that I enjoy the silliness of Hong Lu transforming into his Soda suit, magical girl style :Roland:

Soda Hong Lu is the only thing that makes me wake up at morning
But yeah it should've been ZAYIN, because Land of Illusion often is just unsustainable, because most of Hong Lu ID's don't have gloom

[SmallGespenst]

Originally posted by jobhobster:

Originally posted by Sol's Soul:

Oh yeah, soda is incredibly useless (or rather very very very niche), but I cannot deny that I enjoy the silliness of Hong Lu transforming into his Soda suit, magical girl style

Soda Hong Lu is the only thing that makes me wake up at morning
But yeah it should've been ZAYIN, because Land of Illusion often is just unsustainable, because most of Hong Lu ID's don't have gloom

Eh, an individual's Sin gains are rarely relevant, since most of your Resource gain will be from other IDs, and the EGO spammer will always be generating less resource because each EGO is a skill that isn't generating more resource.

[Minh]

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

Originally posted by jobhobster:

Soda Hong Lu is the only thing that makes me wake up at morning
But yeah it should've been ZAYIN, because Land of Illusion often is just unsustainable, because most of Hong Lu ID's don't have gloom

Eh, an individual's Sin gains are rarely relevant, since most of your Resource gain will be from other IDs, and the EGO spammer will always be generating less resource because each EGO is a skill that isn't generating more resource.

They make 1 each to pay off a bit.

[Snecchi]

It breaks my heart to admit it but Soda is just straight up bad, don't get me started on its corrosion and passive. Until it gets massively buffed (Uptie 5 omega copium) then its dead weight. Roseate is... ok, but I like Dimension shredder way more than it (plus they cost the same despite Roseate being a Teth). Needless to say I'll happily slot it into his teth slot if its good but I will never forgive PM for making both Soda ID's so underwhelming (balance-wise, design was was perfect)

[Flygoniaks]

Originally posted by Snecchi:

It breaks my heart to admit it but Soda is just straight up bad, don't get me started on its corrosion and passive. Until it gets massively buffed (Uptie 5 omega copium) then its dead weight. Roseate is... ok, but I like Dimension shredder way more than it (plus they cost the same despite Roseate being a Teth). Needless to say I'll happily slot it into his teth slot if its good but I will never forgive PM for making both Soda ID's so underwhelming (balance-wise, design was was perfect)

Soda will hopefully become more usable once we finally get a Hong Lu ID that focuses on Poise (said ID will presumably fuel Soda really well too, as it needs the help).

[WEF CENSORSHIP 2030 FTW!!!]

That was a Meme Ego but nobody seemed to notice. People still only give a crap about Instant Insane Damage as it's always with Gacha Hell. I still have KongLu and Zweigor for some Cancer Stuff like Dungeon Bulls.

[Snecchi]

Originally posted by Flygoniaks:

Originally posted by Snecchi:

It breaks my heart to admit it but Soda is just straight up bad, don't get me started on its corrosion and passive. Until it gets massively buffed (Uptie 5 omega copium) then its dead weight. Roseate is... ok, but I like Dimension shredder way more than it (plus they cost the same despite Roseate being a Teth). Needless to say I'll happily slot it into his teth slot if its good but I will never forgive PM for making both Soda ID's so underwhelming (balance-wise, design was was perfect)

Soda will hopefully become more usable once we finally get a Hong Lu ID that focuses on Poise (said ID will presumably fuel Soda really well too, as it needs the help).

The issue is the values don't scale, they're flat unlike every other heal (lantern, fluid, pursuance) and the fact that its not consistent, what if you need healing and he accidentally rolls tails (because funny sanity cost). The corrosion is also a massive departure from what the ego does (4 tremor, which is infinitely worse than legerdemain and costs more than double). Corroding it is a detriment in every aspect, and that ego passive is just 1 sp, it needs an R Ishmael miracle with uptie 5.

Originally posted by CAN U IMAGINE 16 TIMES THE DRM?:

That was a Meme Ego but nobody seemed to notice. People still only give a crap about Instant Insane Damage as it's always with Gacha Hell. I still have KongLu and Zweigor for some Cancer Stuff like Dungeon Bulls.

I don't need fluid sac 2.0, I just want something that's cool, unique and/or usable. People care about speed running because for some reason it keeps being pushed by Project Moon (EX clears requiring less than x turns, Railway, etc) but tanks are still super good, heck my favourite ID is Sunshower Heathcliff.

[Flygoniaks]

Originally posted by Snecchi:

The issue is the values don't scale, they're flat unlike every other heal (lantern, fluid, pursuance) and the fact that its not consistent, what if you need healing and he accidentally rolls tails (because funny sanity cost). The corrosion is also a massive departure from what the ego does (4 tremor, which is infinitely worse than legerdemain and costs more than double). Corroding it is a detriment in every aspect, and that ego passive is just 1 sp, it needs an R Ishmael miracle with uptie 5.

Yeah, I have no clue what they were smoking when they designed that Corrosion.
One other thing with Soda - its passive is one that actually has quite a lot of potential in longer fights with tons of enemies, but unfortunately that potential is wasted due to almost all fights in the game being 1 or 2 waves long, and boss fights that summon tons of minions being pretty rare too. 5-19 is one of the only places I can think of where using Soda for its passive could genuinely be worth it, since it's 4 waves long.

[jobhobster]

Originally posted by Snecchi:

It breaks my heart to admit it but Soda is just straight up bad, don't get me started on its corrosion and passive. Until it gets massively buffed (Uptie 5 omega copium) then its dead weight. Roseate is... ok, but I like Dimension shredder way more than it (plus they cost the same despite Roseate being a Teth). Needless to say I'll happily slot it into his teth slot if its good but I will never forgive PM for making both Soda ID's so underwhelming (balance-wise, design was was perfect)

"Soda bad" when boatload happens (I regen 15 sanity)
Ngl that's kinda cool thing, since he can use soda to clash and stuff, and if he rolls tails, he gets back sanity he lost. Neat.

[寒桦]

Originally posted by Sol's Soul:

Oh yeah, soda is incredibly useless (or rather very very very niche), but I cannot deny that I enjoy the silliness of Hong Lu transforming into his Soda suit, magical girl style

I won't discuss anything else, but buddy, your taste is definitely gooooood. Transforming into the world's best soda!