What part of Ring Yi Sang makes him OP?

[Joshua Kurayami]

Genuine question. For a bleed Id that a lot of people are claiming to be OP, in the past three dungeon runs he managed to take second place, and that's only because he's one of the two ID's that are affected by 'Awe' gift and he still got less damage than my Hook Lu.

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Are there some special EGO gifts that i'm supposed to be using with him besides the generic stuff you get on a bleed team? Or is it all about hoarding a bunch of effect gifts?

[Zalgo]

First of all, it's pretty clear that you have Ring Sang on 2nd slot instead of first. the damage I am seeing off of that pic should only be possible if Hook Lu is on first slot, since his damage ramps up more based on skill slots. Ring Sang's damage also ramps up with more slots, but it is significantly more obvious thanks to his S2 and S3 doing more damage with more conditionals in place, which is a lot easier with multiple slots.

Second, Ring Sang's main deal is his Skill 2, which has a coin reuse conditional that is so hilariously easy to attain a baby could clear it with little issue. This leads to the S2 doing a RAW damage number of 84, which is 6 less than Nclair's SKILL 3!. This combined with the consistency that the S2 is available makes it by far the strongest S2 in the game, and possibly the strongest skill in the game in general.

Furthermore, you can basically just slot in N Faust with Hex Nail or even KK Gregor and you can even hit the 3 debuffs conditional within turn 1, which spikes his damage up severely. 5k is what you are getting on your run? On my common Normal runs I get frequent 10-11k off of the guy.

[Joshua Kurayami]

Originally posted by Zalgo:

First of all, it's pretty clear that you have Ring Sang on 2nd slot instead of first. the damage I am seeing off of that pic should only be possible if Hook Lu is on first slot, since his damage ramps up more based on skill slots. Ring Sang's damage also ramps up with more slots, but it is significantly more obvious thanks to his S2 and S3 doing more damage with more conditionals in place, which is a lot easier with multiple slots.

Second, Ring Sang's main deal is his Skill 2, which has a coin reuse conditional that is so hilariously easy to attain a baby could clear it with little issue. This leads to the S2 doing a RAW damage number of 84, which is 6 less than Nclair's SKILL 3!. This combined with the consistency that the S2 is available makes it by far the strongest S2 in the game, and possibly the strongest skill in the game in general.

Furthermore, you can basically just slot in N Faust with Hex Nail or even KK Gregor and you can even hit the 3 debuffs conditional within turn 1, which spikes his damage up severely. 5k is what you are getting on your run? On my common Normal runs I get frequent 10-11k off of the guy.

Okay just did two runs where I had Ring sang as the first character and yeah he did more damage, but he only did like around 6-7k with Hook Lu being 2k damage behind. I do use N Faust but I don't have Hex Nail, nor do I have an upgraded KK Gregor.

[1162706830]

You need ego gifts to apply debuff to active his S2 reuse. Like a T1 one which applies tremor at battle start, or T3 ones applying burn or sinking. On-hit debuff egos also makes sense but they don't help in first turn.

And bloody mist can make best use of his multi coin advantage.

[Reptiloid]

Try bloody mist on that boi. He did 18k damage in mdh.

[Angela]

Originally posted by Orliminecraft:

He is the destroyer of MD
He is still pretty good everywhere else

his conditions are very easy to set up for boss fight outside of MD, unless if they do brainded run and let him do turn 1 into S2 on opponent with 0 debuffs.. Running him with Ring Outis will also help as both have multiple statuses.

[RedCobra]

damage dealer always at slots 1 :
in human encounter slots 1 always get second slots first.

team of 5 slot 1 get benefit first slot ID get another copy extra slots.

slot 1 is really really Big Matter and change the way your ID act.

you doing it wrong.

slot 1 : your main damage dealer ( with bonus slots first ).
slot 2 and 3 : your main 2nd and 3rd dps.
slot 4 ,5, 6 : support / weaker clashes.

[SpearOfLies]

It always amaze me how seriously people take the result screen as character overall performance while not realising how screwed toward multiple slot and fast IDs it is. I have a team with maid ishmael as slot 1 for exp farming and she consistently get MVP. Does it mean she is better than 000 in the team? No. Being consistently fast and having priority on action slot just gave her more opportunities to attack that other units cannot get. Being a fast ID mean you will have more opportunities to last hit weakened enemies while being slower ID mean you will do one less action in the fight because faster IDs will finish off the enemies before you can do anything on the last turn of the fight.

[Minh]

Skills 2, Skills 3, & Status Effects Bleed.

Originally posted by Joshua Kurayami:

Are there some special EGO gifts that i'm supposed to be using with him besides the generic stuff you get on a bleed team?

No. I get any GIFT that I can get. Sometimes he doesn't reuse Coin. Many times he reuses twice.

Originally posted by Joshua Kurayami:

Or is it all about hoarding a bunch of effect gifts?

Yes. More Starlight anyway.

[RedCobra]

yes yes again specially for "NEWBIE"

ID in Slot 1 IS BIG MATTER, Put your BIG DAMAGE DEALER / ANYTHING DELETE at slot 1.

that it, Slot Order is MATTER.

[Cthulhululu]

ran him in a bleed team two days ago
he did 20k damage, followed by n faust at 10k
youll want to get gifts that inflict other status effects on enemies where you can
fiery down(for his s2), oscillating bracelet, talisman bundle, standard-duty battery and midwinter nightmare
his s2 hits 3 coins most of the time i use it, its rare for me to see it only roll one or twice, and that usually because the target dies before the 3rd reuse

[CarThief]

Hm... It'd be neat to run him or Hook Lu in slot 1, but I always reserve that one for Cpt. Ishmael since she needs to be able to stay sane lest she becomes useless (helps her get last kills when the battle is done).

Ultimately, I don't see him being particularly "overpowered" besides a (still highly) conditional S2 doing good damage (though it may rival N-Sinclair, it can't beat his clash values, negative coins be cheesy).

Great damage on Bloody Mist runs, though, sometimes usurps Ishmael (who's slot #1) in terms of damage output. Really up there with Hook Hong Lu.

[SmallGespenst]

Originally posted by CarThief:

Hm... It'd be neat to run him or Hook Lu in slot 1, but I always reserve that one for Cpt. Ishmael since she needs to be able to stay sane lest she becomes useless (helps her get last kills when the battle is done).

But it doesn't, getting clean-up kills is a speed thing, not a slot thing.

[Angela]

Originally posted by CarThief:

Ultimately, I don't see him being particularly "overpowered" besides a (still highly) conditional S2 doing good damage (though it may rival N-Sinclair, it can't beat his clash values, negative coins be cheesy).

His S3 will do more damage than his S2 if you hit his conditions.

S2 : 18 + 28 + 38 = 84 dmg
S3 : 8 + 13 + 18 + 51.75 = 90.75 dmg

His S1 is also wasnt bad because his passive will give him +6 to +8 offense level at max sanity, he already have +3 by default so he pretty much running with +9 to +11 offense compared to neutral id such as KK Hong Lu.