The bloodfiends aren't even that much problem and sometimes i think they are overated

[RyuukiNawa]

I mean... just think about it: we have syndicates that steal a lot of bodies, we have THE LOWEST SCUM RATS just picking random people and amputing, we have a DISTRICT WITH CANIBALISM!!!!!!WE HAVE THE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ SEWEEEPERRRS! And "it's haloween i will ♥♥♥♥ you dic... i mean, your blood!" people is the worst of the worst? Man... Sorry, but or the city realy dislike bloodfiends like a moustache guy dislikes other ethnic group or is an phobia that are in the city minds... It's not possible that in the story we don't have one place were bloodfiends just live doing jobs for people with the payments of LITERAL BLOOD BAGS (not the bloodbags, you understand), or bloodfiends that eat blood with an syringe, or maybe an cute couple that one is a bloodfiend and other is a human, both live together and only in the night the guy (suposely) augmented to make a lot of blood/hour cut his pulse and put one cup for his girlfriend (or boyfriend?) and both live happily ever after. seriously i can think a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ LOT OF PROBLEMS IN THIS CITY and bloodfiends AREN'T THE ONE!!!!

[RyuukiNawa]

Diposting pertama kali oleh jobhobster:

Thing is, people like Pierre or Rats are still people in the end of day, and they find friends with same-minded individuals. City is full of insane people, and there isn't a lot of white knights, who'd go on a war with them. But Bloodfiends are whole another beast. It's their very NATURE to kill and turn humans into alike themselves, they got completely different psyche, and so regular humans can't really get along with them.
Basically, you can easily understand someone like Pierre, who finds artistic values in cooking people, but also a nice person to hang around with, if you have no problems with her morals, but you won't understand a being, which whole life and emotional state depends on killing and sucking blood off humans. They can like have their own things, but it all comes down to killing in the end of the day.

Soooo... A human can because "it's a human" but a bloodifiend not? So what about the sweepers? Or the fingers? Both are evil ish and other is also not human an CAN devour humans at will - and also waste a lot of blood while doing so- and when someone just wanna a cup of your red liquid is a evil? "Oh but you guys kills humans" and don quixote? And PAPA DON QUIXOTE! He lived about 200 years without drinking blood and was fine. The problem is that he LITERALY PUT EVERYONE ELSE IN A CAGE WITH VEGAN FOOD. I can live with vegan food and also meat sometimes. Damn, because how I live right now, the last time I eat a non-processed meat was like 5 weeks ago. So if I can, why not a blood fiend? 5 weeks of hemobars, 2 days of good blood. Or even better: do something for some cup of blood.

[RyuukiNawa]

Diposting pertama kali oleh O.T.T Pro:

Diposting pertama kali oleh RyuukiNawa:

yeah, but like an art, can they just drink blood out of a human? Did you remember that the first problem in the la mancha land was just an drop of blood in the floor and the bloodfiends just goes to lick it? So they can drink blood out of a human too. The problem with the hemobars is that are coagulated blood in a bar. It's like we -humans- just eating whey protain bars to the rest of our lifes. The problem wasn't the hemobars, the problem was the variety. With that said the cases above that i talked can be used too.

If I remember correctly, they're after the VERY short-lasting emotions in blood, not the blood itself. It's probably also why people are fed to Mephistopheles alive rather than dead; it's so short-lasting that a minutes-old corpse has significantly less emotion in it than a live person. A recently-used syringe may still have traces, but hemo-bar processing may take so long there's no more emotion to give them a reason to go on. They have to drink from the source to get the high they want, and that always leads to the victim becoming a bloodbag.

Actually, that raises the question, could bloodfiends drink enkephalin? It is basically liquid emotions, Netzach WAS hooked on the stuff (blood is bliss to the bloodfiends), and its outright stated in C1 that minute amounts of it can be harvested from people.

If we, i mean, they can finally have another reason to live.

[RyuukiNawa]

Diposting pertama kali oleh O.T.T Pro:

Diposting pertama kali oleh jobhobster:

Thing is, people like Pierre or Rats are still people in the end of day, and they find friends with same-minded individuals. City is full of insane people, and there isn't a lot of white knights, who'd go on a war with them. But Bloodfiends are whole another beast. It's their very NATURE to kill and turn humans into alike themselves, they got completely different psyche, and so regular humans can't really get along with them.
Basically, you can easily understand someone like Pierre, who finds artistic values in cooking people, but also a nice person to hang around with, if you have no problems with her morals, but you won't understand a being, which whole life and emotional state depends on killing and sucking blood off humans. They can like have their own things, but it all comes down to killing in the end of the day.

I agree they are inherently against humanity, since what they need is both inherent to human life and must be taken away from many humans. It, however, gets very debatable when you talk about what is moral in the city or what deserves to stay. If the city considered bloodfiends and distortions as impurities to be expunged, those missions would be sponsered or even carried out by the Head itself, yet they're still considered the type of people who belong here. But that's not what we're talking about.

As a threat, none of what you listed threaten the overall workings of the city (perpetuated cruelty), so it's beneath the direct attention of the Head. The sweepers are, if I remember correctly, directly contracted by the Head to keep the city clean and reclaim all biological waste. The District of Flavor is only looking for ingredients and, from the uptie stories, lure in/kidnap the very dumb/violent people (Who the ♥♥♥♥ chases someone that long?). As far as I know, the criteria for "Very bad thing" is something that refuses to go away on its own, is strong enough to make themselves a problem, and is actively interfering with general life.

So why not the blood fiend just go about the same people who is cruel for the city? And also, we can use bloodfiends to make a corpse drainage of blood for them. That I am talking about: the city can live with blood friends. But they are a bunch of racists. And also: "b-but they aren't human" but they are before. It's the contrary problem of Angela: "the city accept people who can at least was a human before" so why they can have just a 4 kindred living in district 13 making drainage of blood for the food district (and sometimes sip a bit of that blood)?

[RyuukiNawa]

Diposting pertama kali oleh NamThunder:

Diposting pertama kali oleh O.T.T Pro:

If I remember correctly, they're after the VERY short-lasting emotions in blood, not the blood itself. It's probably also why people are fed to Mephistopheles alive rather than dead; it's so short-lasting that a minutes-old corpse has significantly less emotion in it than a live person. A recently-used syringe may still have traces, but hemo-bar processing may take so long there's no more emotion to give them a reason to go on. They have to drink from the source to get the high they want, and that always leads to the victim becoming a bloodbag.

Actually, that raises the question, could bloodfiends drink enkephalin? It is basically liquid emotions, Netzach WAS hooked on the stuff (blood is bliss to the bloodfiends), and its outright stated in C1 that minute amounts of it can be harvested from people.

According to the information on Enkephalin in Limbus Company's update loading screen, it didn't fully explain what Enkephalin would do if someone drank it, but it was sure not pretty.
Plus, Netzach in Lobotomy Corporation drank Enkephalin as an attempt to kill himself, so I can say it was lethal.

Yeah, is addictive. At the start of limbus company you can see other people talking about using enkefalin like a drug. So yes. Is more like " human conscience in a bottle" but can be used.

[RyuukiNawa]

Diposting pertama kali oleh RANCE:

the problem is bloodfiends have to turn people to enjoy blood to the fullest, which most bloodfiends do, Sancho looks like an anomaly. While humans have a choice to kill or not, its not a fair comparison at all

"Have a choice to kill or not". Talk that to the rats of start in LOR. They don't wanna do that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ job but they need it. Is the same to the bloodfiends. I know some people are thinking that i am advocating too much for the bloodfiends but if you see as a point of view of the bloodfiend and SEE THE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ CITY AS A WHOLE you recognize that the worse for the city is the city itself in general. Yeah, they are a bunch of lunatics craving for the emotions in the blood? Yeah. But at least blood has some "human" way to remove. Now how to remove in a human way a leg or a foot? Or what about a kidney or even better: your brain? Now think that what I am talking about is NORMAL in the city. But drinking blood is bad? Yeah, they are evil, but less evil than everyone else if they can be treated well. "But will exist blood friends that will eat a lot and destroy the humans" like the fingers that taxes a lot and kill a lot of humans? Or companies (and I tell EVERY DAMN COMPANY OF THIS PLACE) that drain every little bit of what you call "life"? Did you guys forget what happens with an employee of lob corp? Now what is more devastating: working at lobotomy corporation or donate a cup of blood for an poor bloodfiend? We know the answer

[Jaeger]

In Bloodfiend!Rodion's and Priest!Gregor's uptie stories, isn't it mentioned that the literal blood bags La Munchaland takes payment for just aren't good enough compared to drinking from humans?

Whether it's a matter of willpower or hard-coded biology, it seems like most Bloodfiends will inevitably bite someone.

Of course, given how low The City sets the morality bar, the stigma against Bloodfiends is almost certainly more about their power than anything else. rats, fixers, and corp employees routinely kill people every day, but the money from that doesn't translate as...efficiently as a steady supply of blood does to power up a bloodfiend.

[Minh]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jaeger:

In Bloodfiend!Rodion's and Priest!Gregor's uptie stories, isn't it mentioned that the literal blood bags La Munchaland takes payment for just aren't good enough compared to drinking from humans?

Whether it's a matter of willpower or hard-coded biology, it seems like most Bloodfiends will inevitably bite someone.

Of course, given how low The City sets the morality bar, the stigma against Bloodfiends is almost certainly more about their power than anything else. rats, fixers, and corp employees routinely kill people every day, but the money from that doesn't translate as...efficiently as a steady supply of blood does to power up a bloodfiend.

No. It's mentioned.

[DAVOS CENSORSHIP 2030 FTW!!!]

And then, there's the Outskirts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5oK53ZNZSI