What's the peak sinking team?

[Joshua Kurayami]

I'm planning to yoink Erlking the moment he drops, and since he's a sinking ID, I'm gonna have to build a sinking team around him. What units (and EGOs) should I go for?

[Zeru]

My pick for the other 5 is
Dieci Hong Lu
Dieci Rodion
Spicebush Yi Sang
Molar Ishmael
Edgar Gregor

As for EGO, both versions of Bygone Days are moderately useful and Rime Shank IV is extremely potent with Sinking Deluge.

If Wild Hunt turns out to be a Negative Coin user, Edgar Gregor will be benched instead for the passive and one of the butlers replaces him.

[Reptiloid]

Whatever includes Spicebruh Yi Sang and Molar ish, first for the damage, second for the sinking application. For MDH these 2 will be enough, considering how can you stack sinking via gifts. For everything else, Deici Rodion with Rime Shanks. This is the engine, everything else is auxiliary.

[【Silver】]

Originally posted by Reptiloid:

Whatever includes Spicebruh Yi Sang and Molar ish, first for the damage, second for the sinking application. For MDH these 2 will be enough, considering how can you stack sinking via gifts. For everything else, Deici Rodion with Rime Shanks. This is the engine, everything else is auxiliary.

Basically this, Spicebush Yi Sang & Rodion's Rime Shank EGO are top priority for Sinking, naturally Dieci Rodion to go along with it.
Molar Ishmael's great for Sinking and can do well in a Sinking/Tremor mix.
Edgar Gregor's also strong if you have more than net zero Sinking Count application, same with Butler Faust.
The Dieci ID's for Hong Lu & Meursault are also good at net positive Sinking count application, and probably pair well with Dieci Rodion.

[Angela]

Meta for sinking atm is:

Molar Ishmael
Spicebush Yi Sang
Dieci Rodion
Edgar Gregor (Only he and Rodya have Envy to fuels Rime Shank)
Butler Outism (Seriously, Butler Faust but no one mention her?)
Dieci Hong Lu/Butler Faust

For last spot, that kinda depend on what you want, here the consideration:
>Dieci Hong Lu is the better id with some sinking + you got to use Butler Faust support passive which is a nice bonus to sinking
>However, Butler Faust is the better Sinking id and have nice synergy with Butler Outis as now their Wifi become 2x more consistant.

For EGOs, I mean the only Core EGO is Rime Shank, but apart from that
All other Sinking EGO from Yi Sang and Gregor is nice tho, but they are not Rime Shank Nice.

[Kildread]

My setup is the same as Zeru --- Butler Faust previously, switched out for Dieci Mersault this week for the 6th ID. Dieci Mersault is getting replaced by Erlking Heathcliff whenever I get him (Likely end of season sharding...)

Originally posted by 【Silver】:

The Dieci ID's for Hong Lu & Meursault are also good at net positive Sinking count application, and probably pair well with Dieci Rodion.

Been running Dieci Mersault in my sinking team this week, just for dailies, but --- he's easily replacable on a Sinking team. He doesn't contribute a whole lot and his gimmick is mostly empowering other Dieci IDs, which they don't really need.

Rodion is tanky enough without Erudition, the extra clash power is negligible. If you run Dieci Hong Lu with the defense skill trick, he won't discard thus won't get any benefit from Erudition.

By his lonesome, Dieci Mersault doesn't do much for sinking, and his Erudition stacking is finicky. His S1 needs to win clashes to gain some, his S2 depends on what you discard, his S3 burns the stack and you get some extra with 2 Gloom Res if other IDs discard skills (Just Rodion for me usually).

Yi Sang has Spicebush, so his Dieci ID sees no action on my end. They might both be decent on a Blunt-focused team if I build one up next season with leftover IDs... Although, reviewing his skills, I get the feeling he's going to be at his best with at least 3 other Discard IDs (Not necessarily Dieci ones).

Not a bad ID by any means, but for Sinking, nah, Butler Faust is better --- I wager Butler Outis is likely a step above (Don't have her yet).

[Minh]

Yi Sang Spicebush,
Heathcliff Wild Hunt,
Ishmael Molar Boatworks,
Rodion Dieci Assoc.iation,
Outis Wuthering Heights,
& Gregor Edgar Family.

Originally posted by Joshua Kurayami:

What units (and EGOs) should I go for?

Yi Sang Spicebush,
Heathcliff Wild Hunt,
Ishmael Molar Boatworks,
Rodion Dieci Assoc.iation,
Outis Wuthering Heights,
Gregor Edgar Family,
Yi Sang Bygone Days,
Gregor Bygone Days,
& Rodion Rime Shank.

[SmallGespenst]

Spicebush Yi Sang is one of the IDs that's good, but he's a pain to use because a poorly timed S3 will kill your Sinking build up, so often it's preferable to use other Sinking IDs like Dieci Hong (raw power) or butler Faust (more Echoes infliction).
of course that goes for current content, it's unlikely that Wildhunt Heathcliff won't have an easy place (though his support passive would be really good if you're willing to bench him) so there's a decent number of Sinking IDs that have a much harder time fitting in.

[Zeru]

Originally posted by Kildread:

Not a bad ID by any means, but for Sinking, nah, Butler Faust is better --- I wager Butler Outis is likely a step above (Don't have her yet).

Can confirm that both Butlers are useful for the Sinking Team, Faust a bit worse due to mediocre clash power but has access to Fluid Sac.
And I'm not sure if their gimmick synergizes with Heathcliff or not... on one hand Heathcliffs new panic type seems better and I don't want Echoes of Manor to overwrite it, on the other hand the -10% to heads might stack.

I cut them both out mostly because I find using Discard units a lot more fun. And Hong Lu has excellent rolls on Insight 3.

[jobhobster]

Originally posted by Zeru:

And I'm not sure if their gimmick synergizes with Heathcliff or not... on one hand Heathcliffs new panic type seems better and I don't want Echoes of Manor to overwrite it, on the other hand the -10% to heads might stack.

I doubt it stacks, because it changes panic type. So basically when you apply one, it replaces the previous one, so we physically can't apply both echoes and ruin simultaniously. At least with human enemies, not sure about abnos.

[Angela]

Originally posted by jobhobster:

I doubt it stacks, because it changes panic type. So basically when you apply one, it replaces the previous one, so we physically can't apply both echoes and ruin simultaniously. At least with human enemies, not sure about abnos.

echoes Panic type do nothing but to help it spread in normal fight, it has no other use than that.

[SmallGespenst]

Originally posted by Zeru:

And I'm not sure if their gimmick synergizes with Heathcliff or not... on one hand Heathcliffs new panic type seems better and I don't want Echoes of Manor to overwrite it, on the other hand the -10% to heads might stack.

Oh Ruin looks to be worse than Echoes and it's not close.
Echoes gives the 50% chance of +1 Sinking Count when Sinking is applied, helping to stabilise Sinking count and letting a lot of skills that wouldn't otherwise go count positive.
Ruin has nothing of the sort. it's just extra sinking against targets that Sinking has already done its job against, and just worse Echoes against anything that isn't effected by the panic type.

[Angela]

You can have both status, although for the panic type only 1 type it seems?
https://imgur.com/a/YCWUDDu

[Zeru]

Makes sense. So -20% modifier versus no-sanity enemies is possible. But Echoes and Ruin compete for the panic slot.

Edit:

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

Oh Ruin looks to be worse than Echoes and it's not close.
Echoes gives the 50% chance of +1 Sinking Count when Sinking is applied, helping to stabilise Sinking count and letting a lot of skills that wouldn't otherwise go count positive.
Ruin has nothing of the sort. it's just extra sinking against targets that Sinking has already done its job against, and just worse Echoes against anything that isn't effected by the panic type.

Now that we see the numbers. Ruin gives -2 Clash Power, as well as +5 Sinking +3 Sinking Count, allowing you to scale your Deluge on panicking enemies.
So while the free spreading of Echoes is nice, Ruin definitely has things going for it.

Regardless, the panic is a secondary argument, and the 5 units I selected for my ideal team were chosen on more relevant merits.

The only puzzling part is Gregor. Project Moon surprised me a bit with the 'conditionally negative character', so sometimes I want him on the bench for support, sometimes in the main team.

For convenience sake, I suppose I will treat new Heathcliff as a positive sanity character (use Dullahan mode sparingly) and use Gregor in the main team.