Most underrated/overrated IDs and EGOs?

[Birp]

Underrated:

- Zwei Gregor
- Shi Don
- Regret Faust? (edit: to elaborate, I think it's top tier but people seem to regard it as just a good id)
- W Outis

- Roseate Desire Ishmael
- Wishing Cairn Don
- Effervescent Corrosion Rodion

Overrated:

- Telepole Don
- Regret Meursault
- Ebony Stem

- Kurokumo Honglu
- K Honglu

[inquiziptor]

Replace Regret Faust with NikoRodion and the list will be fine. Also I doubt anyone still uses Kuro Lu, too many better alternatives

[Oodanna]

there is 0 possibility that regret faust is underrated, its such a good identity even if youre not running a tremor team

[Joshua Kurayami]

Wait, how is Ebony Stem overrated? People don't usually bring that up unless it's for the passive. If there's any AoE EGO that is truly overrated, that would be Yi Sang's Sunshower.

[Birp]

Originally posted by Joshua Kurayami:

Wait, how is Ebony Stem overrated? People don't usually bring that up unless it's for the passive. If there's any AoE EGO that is truly overrated, that would be Yi Sang's Sunshower.

Idk I see it get brought up every now and then, and a decent number of people still have a very high opinion of it, as if it's just slightly below the WAW EGOs. And that it hard outclasses Outis' other HE options (it doesn't).

Sunshower... it's not on the same level as Blind Obsession, not even close, but I think its still quite good?

[Angela]

Regret Faust varied alot depend on where you put her or who she facing

on general team vs single target, i can see her being A tier
vs multi target but still on general team, i think she will top at S tier for me
You have full tremor team (which I imagine not many people have) then she is SS tier, her S3 will hit rly hard in tremor team.

[SmallGespenst]

that's a lot of bad calls.
Regret Meursalt is a mediocre EGO, but the Passive is one of few boosts to raw power available and is balance warpingly good.
Telepole Don is still the single fastest way to get a Charge team online, and all three of the recent additions to the charge roster benefit greatly from that boost. the Awakening is mid but the corrosion is just the best jumpstart in the game.

Regret Faust is not underrated. she's just so good taht nobody bothers to mention he because it's just a known quantity that any tremor team that can will have her.
K Honglu is also pretty much exactly as good as the hype. Immense regeneration. three extra liver per fight. Solid offences. Great aesthetic. the only reason I don't use him more is because I don't generally use Rupture.

Edit: to offer a few contributions of my own;
Faust Fluid Sac still gets an immense amount of hype, despite most teams just never needing it, it's always one of the first to be recommended and there's the occasional thread of someone unwilling to even attempt a run without it for a security blanket. It's not a bad EGO but it's also just not useful unless you're regularly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up spectacularly.

Faust's Telepole is underrated in the specific context of Multicrack Faust, because [+2% damage for every charge count] is something that seems to have been entirely forgotten.

LCCB Ishmael tends to get more hype than she deserves for her immense status inflictions, but her skills all belong on different IDs leaving someone that can't be useful for more that 1/3 of turns.

[Birp]

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

that's a lot of bad calls.
Regret Meursalt is a mediocre EGO, but the Passive is one of few boosts to raw power available and is balance warpingly good.

Regret Meursault is somewhere between good to great, but its nowhere near amazing as people make it out to be. Obviously the passive is broken, but there is still the turn cost to consider + this being a 1 atk weight ego with no real effects besides the passive.

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

Telepole Don is still the single fastest way to get a Charge team online, and all three of the recent additions to the charge roster benefit greatly from that boost. the Awakening is mid but the corrosion is just the best jumpstart in the game.

Telepole Don is mega overrated. It's been mega overrated for seasons, ever since the ut4 update. W Don and Ryoshu can use Rip Space on turn 3 normally. You use Telepole, and Don can use Rip Space on turn 2 instead, at cost of some ego resources. Or you can overclock it, so Ryoshu can use DDEDR on turn 2 too. But using Rip Space / DDEDR on turn 2, instead of turn 3, does not make a notable difference in 99% of fights.

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

Regret Faust is not underrated. she's just so good taht nobody bothers to mention he because it's just a known quantity that any tremor team that can will have her.

No I mean Regret Faust is kinda a bit underrated in the general sense, outside of tremor team. She's not SS tier, but maybe mid S tier, yet a lot of people put her lower.

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

K Honglu is also pretty much exactly as good as the hype. Immense regeneration. three extra liver per fight. Solid offences. Great aesthetic. the only reason I don't use him more is because I don't generally use Rupture.

K Honglu - there is never a point where you use more than 1 revive, and even that is rare enough as is. His offence is not solid. His use in rupture team is a bit questionable since he is pretty count negative, so he's carried hard by Dimension Shredder. As a general tank, he's fine, but usually Dieci Rodion or a Meursault ID is more useful.

[Angela]

Originally posted by Birp:

Telepole Don is mega overrated. It's been mega overrated for seasons, ever since the ut4 update. W Don and Ryoshu can use Rip Space on turn 3 normally. You use Telepole, and Don can use Rip Space on turn 2 instead, at cost of some ego resources. Or you can overclock it, so Ryoshu can use DDEDR on turn 2 too. But using Rip Space / DDEDR on turn 2, instead of turn 3, does not make a notable difference in 99% of fights.

Its not really about Don, its about You prob want to use Ryoshu Base Ego for 2 fragile, but doing so..how she gonna gain enough charge for her S3 next turn? thats right, OC Telepole.

And its not just her, this applied to any charge ids who want to use EGO, like meusault want to use Regret but no charge gain for him if he do so etc.

[RedCobra]

regret mersault is not overrated.

increase clash power by 2 permanently when using E.G.O is massive, game changer for mersault ID.

telepole don not overrated, using corroded / overcharged to get everyone in your team 10 charge instant, for charge ID team.

that is important / great for charge team, & don her self.


For Ebony stem.

Big damage piercing A.O.E E.G.O. yeah sadly it's rupture.

but you cannot denied it the biggest Weight E.G.O that hit all enemies when uptied 4. it's still powerful piercing E.G.O right now and huge clash power.

in mirror dungeon if you feel lazy and want to stagger multiple / wiping multiple mobs, is still great for rupture team.

other E.G.O hit less enemy compare to Ebony stem. yes there other good E.G.O right now like bound king but can't compare it's blunt damage tremor or current rip space if you using W Corp Outis.


Zwei Greg Just okay.

what make him reallly reallly bad if you don't give him extra slots you will never, ever get

6 Defense needed for skill 2, 4 coins 40% bonus damage.

10 defense needed for skill 3, 3 coins for 50% bonus damage.

and 6 defense needed for +1 clash power both skill 2 & 3.

the defense does not have count, i repeat no count and all defense stack just disappear every 1 turn.

and other zwei ID IS BAD / TERRIBLE.

Zwei gregor Overrated. people don't read just HOW MANY DEFENSE BUFF YOU NEED TO TRIGGER Bonus damage & how quick that stack of defense disappear.

want good example ? imagine you got 15 defense stacks easily from extra slots, you want to use Legerdemain E.G.O.

ops after using E.G.O all Defense Buff. Gone. pooof.

don't miss understand me, Zwei Gregor is indeed good. but just good.
good clash power, good damage, but the Caveat is you must get those 6 defense,10 defense for damage & clash power.

from extra sloting.

that is reason why people not using zwei greg.

if you play zwei greg you must extra slot him, for easy defense stacks.

[Birp]

Originally posted by Angela:

Originally posted by Birp:

Telepole Don is mega overrated. It's been mega overrated for seasons, ever since the ut4 update. W Don and Ryoshu can use Rip Space on turn 3 normally. You use Telepole, and Don can use Rip Space on turn 2 instead, at cost of some ego resources. Or you can overclock it, so Ryoshu can use DDEDR on turn 2 too. But using Rip Space / DDEDR on turn 2, instead of turn 3, does not make a notable difference in 99% of fights.

Its not really about Don, its about You prob want to use Ryoshu Base Ego for 2 fragile, but doing so..how she gonna gain enough charge for her S3 next turn? thats right, OC Telepole.

And its not just her, this applied to any charge ids who want to use EGO, like meusault want to use Regret but no charge gain for him if he do so etc.

If we are assuming the ego resources to use Overclocked Telepole, Forest for the Flames, and potentially Regret too early on in the fight, then this is just md we're talking about. And for md, ego gifts pretty much eliminate any ramp-up time with charge and there's no restrictions to spamming egos either.

Originally posted by RedCobra:

regret mersault is not overrated you fool.

increase clash power by 2 permanenly when using E.G.O is massive, game changer for mersault ID.

Except you waste a turn + resources using it, and that doesn't sound like much but it is a downside.

If you're using, say, BL Meursault, then using Regret turn 1 slows down your team's poise generation, and there are also cases where you'd want to use his base EGO on turn 1 instead. Of course, there are plenty of cases where you do want to use Regret on turn 1-2, but its not worth doing every fight, especially for harder fights that pressure from the getgo.

[jobhobster]

Hm, that's an interesting question, because I'm pretty sure Limbus community has pretty same opinion on everything, but Potential Man. Someone says he's like really good, and others says he's meh (same with W Outis I'm pretty sure)
Like, usually it's "yeah, X is good for this team, we now use X for this team"

[Angela]

Originally posted by Birp:

If we are assuming the ego resources to use Overclocked Telepole, Forest for the Flames, and potentially Regret too early on in the fight, then this is just md we're talking about. And for md, ego gifts pretty much eliminate any ramp-up time with charge and there's no restrictions to spamming egos either.

Telepoles are irrelevant in MD3 and so on, it used most effective for Story dungeon (which, unfortunately doesn't exist in Canto 6) aka when you can carry resource or in RR content

But so does with most EGOs, because they will also lose some value outside those 2 scenario, either by being too fk expensive or will get overshadow by other things

Exampe If we talking about MD4 for instance, i cant think any EGO who is game changing outside of they have high clash power for emergency clash

Maybe except for Faust WAW EGO or HL TETH for Tremor and maybe Regret, because everyhing will just dies in 1-2 turns more or less anyway, and we have so many gifts, any amount of status effect an EGO will give will always get overshadow but just having 10 status gifts for your team.

[SmallGespenst]

Originally posted by Birp:

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

that's a lot of bad calls.
Regret Meursalt is a mediocre EGO, but the Passive is one of few boosts to raw power available and is balance warpingly good.

Regret Meursault is somewhere between good to great, but its nowhere near amazing as people make it out to be. Obviously the passive is broken, but there is still the turn cost to consider + this being a 1 atk weight ego with no real effects besides the passive.

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

Telepole Don is still the single fastest way to get a Charge team online, and all three of the recent additions to the charge roster benefit greatly from that boost. the Awakening is mid but the corrosion is just the best jumpstart in the game.

Telepole Don is mega overrated. It's been mega overrated for seasons, ever since the ut4 update. W Don and Ryoshu can use Rip Space on turn 3 normally. You use Telepole, and Don can use Rip Space on turn 2 instead, at cost of some ego resources. Or you can overclock it, so Ryoshu can use DDEDR on turn 2 too. But using Rip Space / DDEDR on turn 2, instead of turn 3, does not make a notable difference in 99% of fights.

In a fight where taking a turn to pop regret is a significant setback you aren't going to be using EGO. in almost any fight were EGO actually matters, getting +2 Coin Power is ridiculously strong, just ask anyone that runs Bloody Mist.

As for Don's Telepole, using it doesn't *just* mean Rip Space and DDEDR early, it's also W Outis getting her Potency going on Turn 2. and Jump-starting the Multicracks. getting W-Ryoshu's Leap rolling as it should. Uptie IV isn't where its relevance died, it's where its relevance became consistent since the 12 Charge for everyone loses the [heads attack] condition, and that relevance has kept it as a cornerstone of Charge teams now and into the future because every new Charge ID is another use-case for it.

[Ekimmak]

Is this thread asking for people agreeing/disagreeing with the initial post, or for other people's opinions on overrated/underrated IDs and EGO?

[Minh]

Originally posted by Ekimmak:

Is this thread asking for people agreeing/disagreeing with the initial post, or for other people's opinions on overrated/underrated IDs and EGO?

Latter.