Freischütz Outis is mid...?

[AintCanc3r]

TL:DR : No this ain't a bait thread. Yes, she is fine, overpowered even, but those rare high moments are rare. She really want you to run a Burn team, not as a general add-clear unit.


Let's get this out of the way:
-7 AOE on a skill, even on an S3, is stupidly strong. This is the same as a WAW EGO, and has the coin value to match.
-S3 literally has no downside if you do slight amount of SP management. At 7 bullet, she only takes away (7 - 1) x 5 = 30 SP, leaving you with 15 if you are at 45 SP, just shy of that 10 SP threshold.
-Dark Flame being your "Burn Deluge", but doesn't consume your Burn Count, as well as applying Defense Down.
-As an added bonus, LCCB Ryoshu passive adds on another 50% damage to your omega 7 MB shot. Try it, funi numbers.

I see people "complaining" about her(joking or otherwise) both here and other platforms because compared to the last Walpurgist unit - Regret Faust - Gunner Outis just feels much more awkward.

-Regret Faust has many ways to feed herself Tremor Count, even losing on S1 give you more Tremor Count. This makes her a very flexible unit, able to consistently apply enough Tremor Count to do the AOE damage.
-Her Passive that allows her to apply Defense Down - same with Dark Flame - is easier to proc since any unit can apply it via Tremor Burst, as long as Faust is standing. Dark Flame as of writing this can only applied by Gunner Outis.

On her own, Gunner Outis can totally work as intended, but she just isn't as flexible nor consistent like Regret Faust, who with a single S1 is enough to smash 2 enemies to paste using S3, while Gunner Outis has to rely on her S2, S3 or Defense Skill to gain more bullets.

The issue of Gunner Outis, in my opinion, is just that there's not many content that can make us stack enough Bullets for that ideal damage.
-MD runs are often short enough that 4 or 5 MB would be enough to clear the encounter, with the exception of MD3H Floor 5 where you have 2 waves of enemies.
-RR is literally Speedrun : The Game. You probably won't want to waste 6+ turns gathering bullets.
-Dark Flame requires you to run a Burn team, which I admit, it's pretty bad at the moment.

I think most people are too hung up on the 7 MB nuking S3, and ignoring her Dark Flame gimmick. She's mainly specialize in Boss Nuking via stacking Dark Flame + Burn stacking, not as add clear.

If there's 1 thing I'd like changed, probably that S1 would apply Dark Flame this turn rather than next turn, which would help with Turn 1 damage if you are able to stack high Burn potency.

That's my 2 cent on this matter, let me know if I'm wrong and if I should distort etc etc.

[H11DN-D4NG3R]

definitely a good boss nuker if burn team, 7 dark flame at 99 burn is 693,(792 with burn dmg) on x1 res. x2 is 1386.(1485 with burn damage)
now we just need better burn ids. XD

[SpearOfLies]

Regret Faust was extremely overhyped on her release. Many believe is going to be new best ID. It wasn't. Not even close. Her damage is not that high without aoe and aiming to gain the tremor for her aoe make her damage overall much lower than the better IDs. Turn 1 aoe is much better than turn 2 aoe and the only way to do turn 1 aoe is either EGO or Shicliff skill3.
She is still extremely good ID but people were too hasty with their opinion.

[gigastar]

Originally posted by AintCanc3r:

-7 AOE on a skill, even on an S3, is stupidly strong. This is the same as a WAW EGO, and has the coin value to match.

The Magic Bullet EGO weapon in lobcorp was WAW tier, so it fits.

The fact that it also costs sanity on use also makes it behave alot like an EGO skill.

[Atma]

Originally posted by AintCanc3r:

-7 AOE on a skill, even on an S3, is stupidly strong. This is the same as a WAW EGO, and has the coin value to match.

You need at the very least 4 turns to get 7 bullets, that's with her being the first character in your party. 7 turns in anomaly battles. In both cases you'll be defending half of the times, since skill 1 doesn't give a bullet, but defense does, so she won't be contributing much. In how many battles do you get this turn count? Maybe in Hard Mirror Dungeon floor 5 and some of the bosses there, which is okay, but does not have nearly the same impact as general use Identities, like Molar Outis. Oh, and it's 15+4 without burn, which is laughable when compared to even Ebony Stem.
She's a burn Identity, which is currently a dead archetype. Somewhere in the future Project Moon will make Burn good, but we need at least 2-3 more 000 men and women for that.

[DT]

Originally posted by SpearOfLies:

Turn 1 aoe is much better than turn 2 aoe and the only way to do turn 1 aoe is either EGO or Shicliff skill3.
She is still extremely good ID but people were too hasty with their opinion.

Oh yeah you're right then why don't everyone let every ID use aoe EGO skill on first turn for every single combat node too. I'm sure use EGO for every single attack deal better damage that normal attack too not to mention you can AoE with it.

[Alpha Chad]

uhm no? she'd easily top me

[CarThief]

I dunno, she seems alright, if it wasn't for the fact she dips down to 15 SP from her S3, as good as it is. It's strong, but then what? You got a unit who rolls 11 (S1) & 16 (S2) on low SP who might not have a good time regaining said SP by winning clashes... Still makes me wish her guard did the inverse - giving her SP instead of taking it.

And some people diss her for the coin amount she has too, with 2 coins being rather low on the damage output scale. Ultimately kinda wish she either had more power to make up for such intense SP drain (like our boi N-Sinclair doin' sweet 30's, or more coins to roll for more chances/SP gain), or less of risk by offering SP recovery means on Guard or something.

Well, perhaps opinions will change, didn't get to test her much after all. Can't say I enjoy the idea of her needing a Burn team to work well though. I was happy enough with the idea of an Outis who rolls natural 16's and 18's that can go even higher, though the SP management is... discouraging. (Well, atleast she kicks robot ass as team captain in the event.)

[H11DN-D4NG3R]

Well it is probly the case where a ID was semi tailor made for a specific event.
She does shine very well... in the event. (due to buffs..like a extra Skill 3. if shes Captain.)

Ofc I just like Gun IDs. (Project Moon also seems to like making every Range weapon into a Blunt melee weapon....Xcept Rabbit. but well. im half expecting if we get a New rabbit id, where it just slams the gun into the enemies face)

[SpearOfLies]

Originally posted by DT:

Originally posted by SpearOfLies:

Turn 1 aoe is much better than turn 2 aoe and the only way to do turn 1 aoe is either EGO or Shicliff skill3.
She is still extremely good ID but people were too hasty with their opinion.

Oh yeah you're right then why don't everyone let every ID use aoe EGO skill on first turn for every single combat node too. I'm sure use EGO for every single attack deal better damage that normal attack too not to mention you can AoE with it.

MD2H I just aoe floor 5 turn 1 because that was very easy and fast. I haven't try regret faust yet on MD3H high clash EGO feel better than aoe EGO. Maybe she is better there? On MD2H she hardly feel much better compare everything else.
I use aoe turn 1 to stagger enemies. Using aoe on normal fight when enemies are already stagger 9/10 is overkill. Timing is an important factor. You just reduce everything I said to just use EGO without understanding the nuances.

[1162706830]

Well she mostly shines in MD.
First there are ego gifts which allows you to run a burn team. Second, she may replace her skill to get extra S2 or S3.

[Birp]

The question though is how good is MB Outis in a partial burn team? Like just her + Liu Ishmael + 4 other meta IDs? Or her, Liu Ish, N Sinclair, +3 others.

Oh and I guess one of the 'others' would include W Ryoshu due to her EGOs.

[Big Mistake]

Originally posted by Birp:

The question though is how good is MB Outis in a partial burn team? Like just her + Liu Ishmael + 4 other meta IDs? Or her, Liu Ish, N Sinclair, +3 others.

Oh and I guess one of the 'others' would include W Ryoshu due to her EGOs.

as long as you have Liu Ish + Hong Liu support passive, maintaining burn at the needed levels for their conditions will rarely be an issue as long as their attacks aren't being divided between many different parts or multiple enemies

you may not reach the needed amounts for all conditions turn 1 or get full dark flame value if it's a hybrid team but it's not that significant, as 2* burn IDs have an unfortunately high opportunity cost for low/middling performance right now

[Shirasaka Yoko (Hat World)]

She has the absolute highest potential in the game, if you were to hit 7 enemies with 99 burn, and they're pride fatal and pierce fatal. The closest to this would be hitting Overclocked Sunshower with all enemies being Sloth and Pierce fatal... and for actual ID skills, that'd be hitting Regret Faust's S3 with enough Tremor on enemies that are blunt and wrath fatal...

But indeed, such situations rarely happen. F Outis has uses, but in general teambuilding she is very hard to justify using, as her bulky damage comes from burn. She's definitely an unit that requires more care for, like Sunshower Heathcliff or Nclair in MD. I've not been a fan.

She does help ego hit harder as a support unit though. So you can bank on that, while having her high rolls for abno events. For plain AoE, you can use Molar Outis' support passive to help Regret Faust be even more consistent for AoE. She's a great unit and definitely worth sharding if you don't have her.


I think the event was a bad call. It sure got everyone hyped for F Outis even more, but it didn't showcase her actual strengths, you'll rarely be getting that many S3s (outside of skill replacement), much less have enemies with such weak stats, who happen to be perfectly weak to her skills, and neither will you regain that much SP after every kill (you still do gain a healthy influx in MD's higher floors, but nowhere near the amount you get here for killing a single goon).

[SpearOfLies]

Originally posted by Ryoshu:

I think the event was a bad call. It sure got everyone hyped for F Outis even more, but it didn't showcase her actual strengths, you'll rarely be getting that many S3s (outside of skill replacement), much less have enemies with such weak stats, who happen to be perfectly weak to her skills, and neither will you regain that much SP after every kill (you still do gain a healthy influx in MD's higher floors, but nowhere near the amount you get here for killing a single goon).

I agree that event was too much on her favor. Being weak to blunt and pierce was fine but that 2*weakness to pride for a character that will have 4/6 skills be pride damage is too much favoritism to actually show her strength and weakness. I wish we fought the green of dusk to take advantage to showcase more her darkflame instead.

I'm not saying the event is bad. I love it. I want more event like that where you need to kills waves of enemies within a time limit and I want the captain-like mechanic to come back so we can play with different teambuild idea.

[TheMetroGamer]

Originally posted by SpearOfLies:

I agree that event was too much on her favor. Being weak to blunt and pierce was fine but that 2*weakness to pride for a character that will have 4/6 skills be pride damage is too much favoritism to actually show her strength and weakness. I wish we fought the green of dusk to take advantage to showcase more her darkflame instead.

Shouldn't they be extremely weak to Bullet Outis' attacks, though? Green Dawns are vulnerable (2x) to black damage in Lobotomy Corporation, which is what damage Bullet Outis' weapon inflicts. It seems less like favoritism to me and more like the developers are just trying to stay in the established lore for the event.