How good is burn team?

[|Revenge|]

Considering all the content one can do in this game (Cantos, MDH, Railway, Events) how good is a burn team?

I have all the ID's and most of the egos but all my id's are level 1 and some of them are uptie 1, i would need a loot of resources to get it all up to level 45 uptie 4. Is it worth it? Tbh i'll probably do it anyway just to have a different team to use alongside my sinking and my bleed team. Also philipclair is an interesting ID and i just wanna use him.

[H11DN-D4NG3R]

The Burn team (atleast the 1 i am running) is reasonably good.
Ofc. On Mirror dungeon the main thing for burn teams its the T4 gift. with just Nukes everything.

I have not used it for Railway.
I have used few of Liu for the earlier days for Cantos.

I argue Burn team would be good for the current event

Ofc you can test out how good a Burn team by doing a Regular mirror dungeon (cause it sets all level to max. still have to uptier tho).

[Atma]

Burn is one of the strongest teams in the game, though the strength comes with burn utilization, rather than the effect itself. It's only weakness is that there are only 5 Identities worth using, so your last slot will be filled with a random, who has nothing to do with the team.

[Angela]

They were like Top 2 or 3 in MD, only lose to Bleed/Poise team. around as good as Bleed/Bloody mist with their T4 Glimpse of flames++. But they are not comparable to bleed if you only have their Fusion gift.

For RR4, if you play optimally they can work, you have Bullet Outism 7 Attack weight S3 which can delet those Envy guys if timing correctly and Pclair has ez access to AoE but his sanity will be an issue and can be painfull to manage in long fights on RR4.

In general, they work in group fights not because burn is OP but because they have a lot of ids with AoE (you can use Regret Faust as their 6th id, even more AoE and her affinity fit in burn team), but there are better teams if you want to remove Abno to void realm.

[SIGNAL]

If you have Magic Bullet Outis, burn can effectively act as a Pride nuke based on her Dark Flame application. Otherwise, damage is often too little and too slow to have any significant impact.

In MDH, obviously it's completely broken if you grab the T4 gift Glimpse of Flames and some supporting T2/T3 gifts to spread and increase burn+burn count, just like how any other status archetype is busted there

[SmallGespenst]

Burn is trash, Burn IDs are decent. in practice Burn is basically Charge with extra steps. the status itself is just the worst outside of MD. the IDs have decent payoffs for hitting Burned targets and that's what gets you decent results.
Unfortunately Burn is also in a pretty poor place because it has been neglected this Season, with Philclair as the only Burn ID, so you'll be stuck with one of the bad season 1 IDs.

[H11DN-D4NG3R]

Publicado originalmente por Angela:

They were like Top 2 or 3 in MD, only lose to Bleed/Poise team. around as good as Bleed/Bloody mist with their T4 Glimpse of flames++. But they are not comparable to bleed if you only have their Fusion gift.

For RR4, if you play optimally they can work, you have Bullet Outism 7 Attack weight S3 which can delet those Envy guys if timing correctly and Pclair has ez access to AoE but his sanity will be an issue and can be painfull to manage in long fights on RR4.

In general, they work in group fights not because burn is OP but because they have a lot of ids with AoE (you can use Regret Faust as their 6th id, even more AoE and her affinity fit in burn team), but there are better teams if you want to remove Abno to void realm.

Tbh i use N corp Faust as a Support. (Because you can get Lust res requirements quite eazly. for a eazy Sanity heal)

[Minh]

Good enough. Need more 000 Identities to make it better.

Publicado originalmente por |Revenge|:

Considering all the content one can do in this game (Cantos, MDH, Railway, Events) how good is a burn team?

Good enough. Need more 000 Identities to make it better.

Publicado originalmente por |Revenge|:

Is it worth it?

Yes.

[SIGNAL]

Publicado originalmente por SmallGespenst:

Burn is trash, Burn IDs are decent. in practice Burn is basically Charge with extra steps. the status itself is just the worst outside of MD. the IDs have decent payoffs for hitting Burned targets and that's what gets you decent results.
Unfortunately Burn is also in a pretty poor place because it has been neglected this Season, with Philclair as the only Burn ID, so you'll be stuck with one of the bad season 1 IDs.

Only season 1 burn ID I'll ever use is Liu Gregor
His numbers are only barely usable with conditionals and his +5 offense level, but he does have really good potency

[Angela]

Publicado originalmente por H11DN-D4NG3R:

]Tbh i use N corp Faust as a Support. (Because you can get Lust res requirements quite eazly. for a eazy Sanity heal)

Opportunity cost yes, I only use Base HL and Base YS for SP passive but NFaust for more sanity can work. Those are for my team in MD where sanity ins't much of an issue for Pclair.

[SmallGespenst]

Publicado originalmente por SIGNAL:

Publicado originalmente por SmallGespenst:

Burn is trash, Burn IDs are decent. in practice Burn is basically Charge with extra steps. the status itself is just the worst outside of MD. the IDs have decent payoffs for hitting Burned targets and that's what gets you decent results.
Unfortunately Burn is also in a pretty poor place because it has been neglected this Season, with Philclair as the only Burn ID, so you'll be stuck with one of the bad season 1 IDs.

Only season 1 burn ID I'll ever use is Liu Gregor
His numbers are only barely usable with conditionals and his +5 offense level, but he does have really good potency

He's probably the worst pick. Meursalt has Capote (an extremely good Burn EGO) and Regret. and Hong has the better rolls, Greg has nothing because PM has hated him since Legerdemain.

[Kildread]

Outside of MD, they're slow to build up.

Dawn Sinclair requires his EGO form to be non-mediocre. Bullet Outis clashes well, but her strength is her AoE which is several turns of building up. Though Dark Flame can be great damage once you've got enough burn applied (Depending on enemy resists also).

Liu Ishmael/Rodion/Ryoshu all work decently. Some even better once you got some burn potency/count applied (You need a minimum of 4 count for Rodion so she doesn't wipe the entire stack with her S3...)

You need one of the bad 00s IDs to round off a full burn team, Liu Mersault with Capote/Regret is going to be the easiest pick. But really, for most content you'd be better off picking an ID that's self-sufficient in any team since Liu Mersault will mostly want one-sided attacks with his standard skills.

I've used burn for half of RR4 and they performed well. Switched to my Sinking setup when they didn't. My big issue with using Burn in Story Content is that it's mostly low "round damage" and every stage except major bosses have EX clear conditions that can make it somewhat detrimental (Although, I think the turn limit is generous for the majority of fights, so it should be better than I think).

[H11DN-D4NG3R]

Reminds me Liu was the main Blunt damage dealing season 1. with alot of people used For Cantos 3. (and everyone getting reverse unoed by Kromer.). ah the Good times.

[SIGNAL]

Publicado originalmente por SmallGespenst:

Publicado originalmente por SIGNAL:

Only season 1 burn ID I'll ever use is Liu Gregor
His numbers are only barely usable with conditionals and his +5 offense level, but he does have really good potency

He's probably the worst pick. Meursalt has Capote (an extremely good Burn EGO) and Regret. and Hong has the better rolls, Greg has nothing because PM has hated him since Legerdemain.

As much as I like Capote, I can't find the means to generate sloth quickly, as only Meursault's S2 and Gregor's S3 can provide some on a all-burn team.
Though, can Capote's random burn affect the same enemy multiple times? I haven't tested it, but if so, I'll probably run him for the whopping 25 single-target burn potential.
I do admit that Regret can put him up to speed with others though, and 3 burn per skill is pretty good. I often forget to use Regret for the passive - ironic, given how much people talk about its passive being great for him - but I'll try using EGO more often if I field him.

And while Hong Lu does have good rolls, he provides much more count than potency, which isn't necessary to stack up that much with burn. Liu Rodion and Philipclair (though i don't use philipclair often) both have S2s that provide more than enough count, and even Liu Ishmael's counter can pop +1 on demand if no one has the right skill ready

I prefer Gregor solely because of consistent and high burn potency application, with 2-4 on his S1, 5 on S2, and 6 on S3, allowing me to do more with Dark Flame. There's nothing else to him, but I'm content with it.

[DT]

You better have more 3* Liu ID if you want to win clash again enemies that release in later canto without need to spam EGO skiil,

Because all 2* ID of burn (or Liu) team come from early canto release have pretty low max clash power. Only 2* Ryushu Liu has better clash since she was release in later canto.

[A5G_Reaper]

Canto: Not bad, not really great. Burn needing long payoff doesn't work well with the wave of trashmobs you're up to most of the time, especially to chase the ex clear. Best used in canto with lots of blunt-weak enemies.

MDH: Strong, the fusion gift is one of the better ones while supportive gifts actually let you build the burn stacks into something significant real fast. For the bosses you got Magic Bullet Outis.

Railway: Actually not bad if you go into it blind, they're not hyper-efficient or anything but they defeat everything at sufficiently fast speed regardless.

Event: Same as canto