Yi Sang Base E.G.O [Crows's Eye View] Underated ?

[RedCobra]

A lot Of people Talk How Powerfull Meursault E.G.O

but No one take A look Yi Sang Base E.G.O that Technically Work very similar to Meursault That Give 2x Attack Down, and 3x Haste To all Party.

its not Bind But technically still make your team faster than enemies / or bosses.

yeah his base 0 and 000 rarity is meh

but i found out using [Seven Section 6] Yi Sang to abuse this E.G.O is really Fun, Because technically you make Yi sang Debuff machine that Give Inflict 2 Rupture + Inflict 3 Paralysis next turn + Inflict 1 Fragile next turn + Inflict 1 Pierce Fragility + 1 to Count of effect applied by the last Coin then attack down + haste from E.G.O

piercing team is very very powerful because for current content only 1 or 2 enemies that immune pierce, give Pierce Fragility is powerful make your piercing team hit hard.

i really Wish we get Better 00 / 000 Yi Sang to abuse this base E.G.O.

[AritheReaper]

I mean, Idk how much it gets talked about, but it's actually pretty well known from what I've seen that Yi's starter is pretty wild. It also pairs nicely with Seven Yi & Wishing Cairn, given that the former has an easy time fusing it and the latter gives Seven Yi pretty much anything else he'd want.

[SmallGespenst]

Crow's Eye View applies the power down the turn it's used unlike Chains Of Others which applies both its debuffs next turn. Salty's Chains make the next turn free, Sangs Eye does not since the Attack down and Haste are on different turns.

[SpearOfLies]

Yes, it's pretty underrated. People are too focus on either aoe or healing EGO, missing how strong is haste to the whole party is. Being able to freely decide how to clash your opponent even with your slowest character is a powerful tool. You can paralysis abuse or setup a turn where R Corp Heathcliff can do the most damage he can do as he is stronger with 6+ speed.
The fact that all Yi Sang's Identity are pretty fast allow him to abuse attack power down too.

I don't know know why you think YiSang 000 is meh. Unless you are following a certain tierlist which put Sinclair Blade Lineage two tier above while having everything worse than YiSang Blade Lineage.

Also YiSang Blade Lineage is the only poise identity which poise actually work. Why? It has poise on next scene instead of current one which mean his poise doesn't get lost at end of turn as others.

[Bishop]

I don't see it being underrated, if I use him and have spare resources I use this over his other egos (usually before big turn against abnos to get speed advantage). Its just not on the same level as aoe egos most of the time.

[Daliena]

Originally posted by SpearOfLies:

I don't know know why you think YiSang 000 is meh. Unless you are following a certain tierlist which put Sinclair Blade Lineage two tier above while having everything worse than YiSang Blade Lineage.

In fairness.. "Still, without the EGO, Sinclair as in Identity is nothing special and you can drop him from his current S rank to A or even B."

That tier list works off the assumption that you have Impending Day, and thus Sinclair starts force-feeding massive quantities of sin resources to the team for EGO spam. Sinclair also has more coins on his first and second skills which does offer a measure of reliability (though less on his skill 3 which is ye olde TT Hong Lu casino style) - and more HP and defense if he does eat it in the face because of a bad clash.

[AnemoneMeer]

Haste to your whole party on use it good. Getting ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over by its terrible passive sucks. The use is singular, the passive remains after use until end of combat.

[SpearOfLies]

Originally posted by Daliena:

Originally posted by SpearOfLies:

I don't know know why you think YiSang 000 is meh. Unless you are following a certain tierlist which put Sinclair Blade Lineage two tier above while having everything worse than YiSang Blade Lineage.

In fairness.. "Still, without the EGO, Sinclair as in Identity is nothing special and you can drop him from his current S rank to A or even B."

That tier list works off the assumption that you have Impending Day, and thus Sinclair starts force-feeding massive quantities of sin resources to the team for EGO spam. Sinclair also has more coins on his first and second skills which does offer a measure of reliability (though less on his skill 3 which is ye olde TT Hong Lu casino style) - and more HP and defense if he does eat it in the face because of a bad clash.

Sinclair BL have 35 offense level while YiSang have 41.
Sinclair BL skill1 is pretty bad.
YiSang BL Skill3 have 2 more coins.

Defense doesn't reduce damage. Don't know why you think it make him more tanking for that. HP of course matter but we leave on a meta which HP doesn't matter for most people.

The fact the tier list doesn't assume that build your team around an EGO is a con is pretty bad. It's even worse when they assume that no being able to feed your own EGOs is a con while still able to feed another powerful EGO maybe also better than what it own. They should just make a separate tier for EGO that you should build around than putting them together. Which they don't actually do consistently when they put W Corp Faust on B tier while being the best feeder for Fluid Sac Faust EGO which is considered one of best EGO for being AOE and healing both HP and SP.
It annoy me even more when they put Basic Don in D tier only for the ego while she is basically the same as Basic Ishmael which is in B tier.

[A Wispy Willy]

A huge difference between Don and Ismael is that Don is weak to Blunt. That's a death sentence later on and in XP Luxcavation.

[Qwanto]

Originally posted by RedCobra:

its not Bind But technically still make your team faster than enemies / or bosses.

Why it not bind? lol
Passive : When hit by an attack, self-apply 5 Bind next turn.
get hit once and he got drag to front and stomp, repeat.

Surely it is not a bad EGO and 7 Yi Sang can tank hit
but Wishing Cairn is better with a bit more cost.

compare to Mr.Salt
His EGO is very strong and no downside because his base form is pretty weak
so of course people would talk about using it as his only strong point.

[Daliena]

Originally posted by SpearOfLies:

Originally posted by Daliena:

In fairness.. "Still, without the EGO, Sinclair as in Identity is nothing special and you can drop him from his current S rank to A or even B."

That tier list works off the assumption that you have Impending Day, and thus Sinclair starts force-feeding massive quantities of sin resources to the team for EGO spam. Sinclair also has more coins on his first and second skills which does offer a measure of reliability (though less on his skill 3 which is ye olde TT Hong Lu casino style) - and more HP and defense if he does eat it in the face because of a bad clash.

Sinclair BL have 35 offense level while YiSang have 41.
Sinclair BL skill1 is pretty bad.
YiSang BL Skill3 have 2 more coins.

This is true, Bladesang will have +1 to his final clash results over Bladeclair and all. And I specifically mentioned myself that Bladeclair's Skill 3 is a single-coin casino. But Slash Series (Power 6, 3 coins, +1 each) VS Heel Turn (Power 7, 2 coins, +1 each) is hardly in Bladesang's favor. And personally I'd rather have Slice then Stab's 5-2x+1 over Striker's Stance's 5+6.

This is a Project Moon game, you -will- flip tails when you most desperately need heads and you will get your face tenderized - hence I prefer multi-coin attacks to try and temper RNG. Yes, Flank Thrust beats To Claim Their Bones in that respect, but it's the third skill, and Limbus Company gives you a 'deck' of 3-2-1 of each skill respectively, so it's the one you get to use the least. A solid foundation's important for those times when inevitably the game decides that you're going to pull every single other skill first before you get your skill 3 even once.

Originally posted by SpearOfLies:

Defense doesn't reduce damage. Don't know why you think it make him more tanking for that. HP of course matter but we leave on a meta which HP doesn't matter for most people.

What exactly -does- defense do then, if not reduce damage (I swear PM could stand to explain this stuff better somewhere in-game)? Also I'm not saying it like it's some game-breaking advantage or N. Sault would probably be the single most favored character in the world, but let's not pretend like HP doesn't matter at all. Again, RNG WILL screw you over sometimes, repeatedly, unless you're somehow building teams who can win even if they flip all tails and the opposition flips all heads.

Originally posted by SpearOfLies:

the fact the tier list doesn't assume that build your team around an EGO is a con is pretty bad. It's even worse when they assume that no being able to feed your own EGOs is a con while still able to feed another powerful EGO maybe also better than what it own. They should just make a separate tier for EGO that you should build around than putting them together. Which they don't actually do consistently when they put W Corp Faust on B tier while being the best feeder for Fluid Sac Faust EGO which is considered one of best EGO for being AOE and healing both HP and SP.
It annoy me even more when they put Basic Don in D tier only for the ego while she is basically the same as Basic Ishmael which is in B tier.

"Ratings take into account potential team synergies or EGO already - check the reviews for more details"

Yeah, W. Faust can feed Fluid Sac, but that's.. About all she's gonna do. Her Charge gain is so hideously bad that the extra effects on Skill 2 and Skill 3 might as well not exist unless you're getting Lust Resonance x 3 every round to activate her passive, and even then it's still just.. Bad, at 2 Charge/Turn after decay in Abno fights (assuming you both activate the passive and land a hit with Energy Cycle), and you need 3 Charge (two turns minimum) to activate Leap, or three turns to get Overcharge's secondary effects. And these ain't no Rip Space to make them worth that wait. At least it'll improve once Don's Telepole EGO comes into play and Don can spoonfeed charge to her W. Corp buddies.

Ishmael is placed ahead of Don because of, as you said, the better EGO. A base power of 12 is just painful, which can lead to Sangre de la Sancho losing some really ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid clashes and doing nothing if it flips tails, whereas Snagharpoon has 19 base, before even getting into the better effects. DonDon has some things she's got better than Ishmael too, but the sheer pain of SdlS drags her down a fair bit.

[LotusBlade]

Speed is nice, but only in abno battles. Or am i missing something? Who cares if you have 50 speed against 1 speed human enemy who clashes with 14 power against your 9 power???

Healing is important for Mirror Dungeon, same as cheap AOE.
Meursault chains important against singular boss.

Not using Yi Sang cus don't like his looks and fight style. Game is easy enough to form a team of random indentities which you simply like to hear or see > did that and still winning on auto, including Thread Luxcavations.

[8GB VRAM OP CARDS IN 2025, LOL!!]

All the Ninja and Blade Characters are pretty weak in comparison to other Identities so i don't know what the Hell is going on with that Tier List including Blade Sinclair. Only Kurokumos and Tintang are Great for Slash Clash, specially if you are abusing Bleed. Although if you use Kurokumo Rodion without the Comp is the weakest of the Bunch. 000 Gregor on the other Hand is a Self Sustain Monster that i would prob rate SSSS. And N Corp Comp Powercreeps the ♥♥♥♥ out of everything. Yi Sang is a really Boring Plankwood of a Char and nowhere near as Badass, Useful or Strong as a Ryoshu. Maybe he gets an Op Identity in the Future but for now he sucks the Big One. Outis is also kinda Insane for a Base Identity. That being said, People are just gonna end up playing whatever Char they like even if they suck the Big One and aren't Meta. I'm certain P.M. is gonna keep asking you different Comp Focus for each New Chapter like making the Next Boss only damaged/disabled through Burning for example and having a Penalty for using a certain Status/Attack Type again. I'm just glad i already have all the Healing Egos because they could become insanely relevant later.

[SpearOfLies]

Originally posted by Daliena:

This is true, Bladesang will have +1 to his final clash results over Bladeclair and all. And I specifically mentioned myself that Bladeclair's Skill 3 is a single-coin casino. But Slash Series (Power 6, 3 coins, +1 each) VS Heel Turn (Power 7, 2 coins, +1 each) is hardly in Bladesang's favor. And personally I'd rather have Slice then Stab's 5-2x+1 over Striker's Stance's 5+6.

This is a Project Moon game, you -will- flip tails when you most desperately need heads and you will get your face tenderized - hence I prefer multi-coin attacks to try and temper RNG. Yes, Flank Thrust beats To Claim Their Bones in that respect, but it's the third skill, and Limbus Company gives you a 'deck' of 3-2-1 of each skill respectively, so it's the one you get to use the least. A solid foundation's important for those times when inevitably the game decides that you're going to pull every single other skill first before you get your skill 3 even once.

I rather have 70% chance of winning on my side than than hoping for multiple 50% that may not be as many as you think. I actually wrote much more on the comparison but steam clashed and I was too lazy to rewrite everything. At end of day they aren't so much better than another.

Originally posted by Daliena:

What exactly -does- defense do then, if not reduce damage (I swear PM could stand to explain this stuff better somewhere in-game)? Also I'm not saying it like it's some game-breaking advantage or N. Sault would probably be the single most favored character in the world, but let's not pretend like HP doesn't matter at all. Again, RNG WILL screw you over sometimes, repeatedly, unless you're somehow building teams who can win even if they flip all tails and the opposition flips all heads.

The fact you didn't tested that the damage doesn't charge regardless if the character have 40 def or 27, tell me how much attention you have in the game and in the recent updates. Right now defense only improve block and evade. It's on a state that make it mostly irrelevant.

Mariachi Sinclair got his tier lowered to B even if he had 190 hp. The second highest hp identity.

Originally posted by Daliena:

"Ratings take into account potential team synergies or EGO already - check the reviews for more details"

Yeah, W. Faust can feed Fluid Sac, but that's.. About all she's gonna do. Her Charge gain is so hideously bad that the extra effects on Skill 2 and Skill 3 might as well not exist unless you're getting Lust Resonance x 3 every round to activate her passive, and even then it's still just.. Bad, at 2 Charge/Turn after decay in Abno fights (assuming you both activate the passive and land a hit with Energy Cycle), and you need 3 Charge (two turns minimum) to activate Leap, or three turns to get Overcharge's secondary effects. And these ain't no Rip Space to make them worth that wait. At least it'll improve once Don's Telepole EGO comes into play and Don can spoonfeed charge to her W. Corp buddies.

Ishmael is placed ahead of Don because of, as you said, the better EGO. A base power of 12 is just painful, which can lead to Sangre de la Sancho losing some really ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid clashes and doing nothing if it flips tails, whereas Snagharpoon has 19 base, before even getting into the better effects. DonDon has some things she's got better than Ishmael too, but the sheer pain of SdlS drags her down a fair bit.

That have as much vibe as saying "trust us we are professional - source us" while most of reviews are severaly lacking.

The fact you say W corp Faust is just that while BL Sinclair isn't basically just the same if not worse(it's not even good at feeding impending day) and the fact her coin are just better Basic Faust, better hp than Basic and have same speed and slighly better offensive level but Basic Faust and BL Sinclair deserve the higher tier spot.

As i said placing identity base on their own EGO is stupid while they are able to feed another character EGO the same. That hardly make it understandable how good or bad is a identity. Don is great for feeding Heathcliff base EGO or the much better aoe Heathcliff Telepole EGO. Helping someone get their good EGO faster is better than expecting 4/5 turns to feed your own EGO. You can solo some maps with the right characters but Limbus assume that you have a party that help each other. Which lead to the point that not matter how good is EGO, if you can't build your team around it, it's mislead how good is the identity.

I'm not here to defend any identities in particular. I don't really care that much about how high and low someone's place. It only annoy me how flawed and inconsistent is that tier list and people shouldn't use it as absolute truth.

[Reptiloid]

Meursault ego is mroe convenient to use and has more debuff on the enemy, so it is praised more. Yi Sang's base ego shines when you have R-corp Heartcliff or Shi Don on your team with it, as the damage of their skills depends on speed.

[SmallGespenst]

Originally posted by SpearOfLies:

Originally posted by Daliena:

"Ratings take into account potential team synergies or EGO already - check the reviews for more details"

Yeah, W. Faust can feed Fluid Sac, but that's.. About all she's gonna do. Her Charge gain is so hideously bad that the extra effects on Skill 2 and Skill 3 might as well not exist unless you're getting Lust Resonance x 3 every round to activate her passive, and even then it's still just.. Bad, at 2 Charge/Turn after decay in Abno fights (assuming you both activate the passive and land a hit with Energy Cycle), and you need 3 Charge (two turns minimum) to activate Leap, or three turns to get Overcharge's secondary effects. And these ain't no Rip Space to make them worth that wait. At least it'll improve once Don's Telepole EGO comes into play and Don can spoonfeed charge to her W. Corp buddies.

Ishmael is placed ahead of Don because of, as you said, the better EGO. A base power of 12 is just painful, which can lead to Sangre de la Sancho losing some really ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid clashes and doing nothing if it flips tails, whereas Snagharpoon has 19 base, before even getting into the better effects. DonDon has some things she's got better than Ishmael too, but the sheer pain of SdlS drags her down a fair bit.

That have as much vibe as saying "trust us we are professional - source us" while most of reviews are severaly lacking.

The fact you say W corp Faust is just that while BL Sinclair isn't basically just the same if not worse(it's not even good at feeding impending day) and the fact her coin are just better Basic Faust, better hp than Basic and have same speed and slighly better offensive level but Basic Faust and BL Sinclair deserve the higher tier spot.

As i said placing identity base on their own EGO is stupid while they are able to feed another character EGO the same. That hardly make it understandable how good or bad is a identity. Don is great for feeding Heathcliff base EGO or the much better aoe Heathcliff Telepole EGO. Helping someone get their good EGO faster is better than expecting 4/5 turns to feed your own EGO. You can solo some maps with the right characters but Limbus assume that you have a party that help each other. Which lead to the point that not matter how good is EGO, if you can't build your team around it, it's mislead how good is the identity.

I'm not here to defend any identities in particular. I don't really care that much about how high and low someone's place. It only annoy me how flawed and inconsistent is that tier list and people shouldn't use it as absolute truth.

W-Faust is not where you're going to be able to defend any case against the Tier lists because her one value of feeding Fluid Sac is done better by L-corp Faust, who brings significantly outperforms on 2/3 skills and doesn't pretend to have a charge gimmick.