Is EGO worth it

[BluePhoenix551]

I have most of my main IDs and was wondering if EGO was really worth the effort to grind or if I should sideline it for more IDs for different team types?

[Reptiloid]

Yeah, EGO is worth it. Any serious fight will most likely require a couple of them.

[Red riding hood the third]

EGO's will end up saving you in boss battles when you're unable to clash, fluid sac amazing healing and 4th match flame ryoshu's ridiculous clashing power are my favorite

[Zeru]

Funnily enough, the better your IDs, the less reliant on EGO you are. That said, it is just better to have access to EGO than to not have it.
I would especially focus on the past Battlepass EGO, as it's not in the random gacha pool. You will never 'just get it'. Also, they can just add new capabilities to your team. Here are some broad categories, specifically from past Battlepass, so grind exclusives.

AOE Heal/Sanity Heal - Fluid Sac Faust

Large AOE:
Ebony Stem Outis
Sunshower Yi Sang
Blind Obsession Ishmael
Binds Outis
Binds Heathcliff

40+ clashers:
4th Match Ryoshu
Capote Meursault

Huge status inflictors:
Rime Shank Rodion
Effervescent Corrosion Rodion


Of course, I'm not saying you should craft all the stuff above. That would already be 4000 shards. But if your team is able to reliably fuel some of them, they could prove useful. Otherwise, you can just patiently build up your EGO collection through future battlepasses and lucky pulls.

Also, you could share your current team. I would be able to provide better advice with more information.

[Coin]

Originally posted by Zeru:

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To add to the list of good EGO's:

Contempt, Awe Ryoshu — it's cool
Everlasting Faust — great in tremor teams
Magic Bullet Outis — great in burn
Yearning Mircalla Don — for bleed and bloodfiiend team
Solemn Lament Greg — amazing damage in a sinking team
Cavernous Wailing Hong Lu — great for tremor

[Cyroy]

Bygone Days Yi Sang has decent sinking application as well.
Bygone Days Ishmael can really heal a chunk in the right situation. Both great for sinking teams.

[Reptiloid]

Originally posted by Coin:

Originally posted by Zeru:

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To add to the list of good EGO's:

Contempt, Awe Ryoshu — it's cool
Everlasting Faust — great in tremor teams
Magic Bullet Outis — great in burn
Yearning Mircalla Don — for bleed and bloodfiiend team
Solemn Lament Greg — amazing damage in a sinking team
Cavernous Wailing Hong Lu — great for tremor

Where legerdemain? For 3 glut and 1 lust 4 aoe paralys on demand and a decent clash value - is no joke.
Another 40 clash is dimensional shredder Yi Sang
Ardor Blossom Star Ishmael is also there

And many, many more. Hell, at this point in game most creative strategies will invovle the mechanics of one or several egos, like reducing sanity on bosses with egos that cut SP. Even some minor ones, like Buddha EGO on Outis, which gives 20% lust fragility same turn, quite useful in bleed teams that have a lot of lust.

So, yeah, OP should try EGO's. Some are better than others and have more utility, but we have very few actually bad egos. These are probably Soda Ryoshu/Hong, as even Garden of Thorns somewhat found its use with Priest Gregor. Although, 4th match on Hong Lu is quite bad, Heathcliff Holiday ego, etc.

But, in general, yes, egos are useful and can be decisive in many situations.

[Joshua Kurayami]

Originally posted by Zeru:

4th Match Ryoshu

Uh, 4th Match only reaches 37 or 39 against enemies with burn at most.

And since no one else has brought it up, I will toss in Rodion's Sanguine desire, which is great for bleed. A 33 clash ego that can go up to 42 at T3 and 46 at T4 with enemy having 18 (T3) or 26 (T4) max bleed potency, on top of inflicting lust damage which increases based on +4 lust res (and a-res)

[Zeru]

Originally posted by Joshua Kurayami:

Uh, 4th Match only reaches 37 or 39 against enemies with burn at most.

Thanks for the correction. Doesn't change my recommendation though. 37-39 is good enough to beat most things in a clash still

[lorde]

Originally posted by Reptiloid:

Originally posted by Coin:

To add to the list of good EGO's:

Contempt, Awe Ryoshu — it's cool
Everlasting Faust — great in tremor teams
Magic Bullet Outis — great in burn
Yearning Mircalla Don — for bleed and bloodfiiend team
Solemn Lament Greg — amazing damage in a sinking team
Cavernous Wailing Hong Lu — great for tremor

Where legerdemain? For 3 glut and 1 lust 4 aoe paralys on demand and a decent clash value - is no joke.
Another 40 clash is dimensional shredder Yi Sang
Ardor Blossom Star Ishmael is also there

And many, many more. Hell, at this point in game most creative strategies will invovle the mechanics of one or several egos, like reducing sanity on bosses with egos that cut SP. Even some minor ones, like Buddha EGO on Outis, which gives 20% lust fragility same turn, quite useful in bleed teams that have a lot of lust.

So, yeah, OP should try EGO's. Some are better than others and have more utility, but we have very few actually bad egos. These are probably Soda Ryoshu/Hong, as even Garden of Thorns somewhat found its use with Priest Gregor. Although, 4th match on Hong Lu is quite bad, Heathcliff Holiday ego, etc.

But, in general, yes, egos are useful and can be decisive in many situations.

Leger has 3 AOE UPT4, not 4. If you are running a full team, you are better off not using its AOE because its damage isn't high on Blunt and Glut weak compared to what S# attacks will do to enemies with modern units. Speaking of modern units, their Rolls outperform the need for Paralysis to be on the enemy. The only time you would need Leger is if you are running a challenge run; there are better EGOs that could use its resources. Leger has a decent floor but a low ceiling compared to other Zayin with Clashes.

Not directly related to Coins, though WB has a higher Corrosion flip than WB's Positive flip, WB is better than AB for Ishmael, though I understand that not everyone has her.
There is no 4th Match Flame Hong Lu-- did you mean Wellcheers? I agree that Holiday Heathcliff is absolute garbage, even if RNG was blessed with its mechanics it is horrid.

Soda EGOs are not bad at all, they just require planning. Hong Lu's is meant for Stigma, Ryoshu is meant for Masquerade runs. Forest of the Flame UPT4 performs worse than if yo utilize Soda UPT4 properly because it expands your arsenal.

There are few bad EGOs, but there are much more bad EGO passive because they are often released in mind for an upcoming or past unit, such as MFE Heathcliff being used for Harpooner--but that means that IDs that are new will likely benefit less from some of these passive because their kit does not fit it [MFE Heathcliff is not meant to be called 'bad' here]. EGOs matter the most in RR, and especially on the earlier runs, so you have less resources; meaning that passives are much more ideal to benefit off than the EGO itself at this point of the game as a one-turn gimmick that an EGO will do is going to be less efficient over a several turn fight when you can only activate it once - especially with EGO Affinity resistances.

GoT takes too many resources to be considered worth using since your team will only compensate about half of the Affinity board. I am pretty sure it was ESGOO or someone else who was hoping it worked a different way, which I agree to, and its passive is garbage and does not correspond to its mechanic--its mechanic barely pays out, too. Other EGOs do GoT's support gimmick better for cheaper, like ES Meursault OR Holiday Outis. GoT attempts to cover too wide of field to be considered practical for little payout.

[Zeru]

While I wouldn't recommend it, Garden of Thorns is somewhat playable for two reasons
1) Superbia
2) No competition on Gregor WAW slot

Now, 4th Match Yi Sang... I'm looking at it and I have no idea why it exists..

[Minh]

Yes.

Originally posted by BluePhoenix551:

I have most of my main IDs and was wondering if EGO was really worth the effort to grind or if I should sideline it for more IDs for different team types?

Former. Yes. It's worth. No. You shouldn't sideline it.

[Reptiloid]

Originally posted by alice:

Originally posted by Reptiloid:

Where legerdemain? For 3 glut and 1 lust 4 aoe paralys on demand and a decent clash value - is no joke.
Another 40 clash is dimensional shredder Yi Sang
Ardor Blossom Star Ishmael is also there

And many, many more. Hell, at this point in game most creative strategies will invovle the mechanics of one or several egos, like reducing sanity on bosses with egos that cut SP. Even some minor ones, like Buddha EGO on Outis, which gives 20% lust fragility same turn, quite useful in bleed teams that have a lot of lust.

So, yeah, OP should try EGO's. Some are better than others and have more utility, but we have very few actually bad egos. These are probably Soda Ryoshu/Hong, as even Garden of Thorns somewhat found its use with Priest Gregor. Although, 4th match on Hong Lu is quite bad, Heathcliff Holiday ego, etc.

But, in general, yes, egos are useful and can be decisive in many situations.

Leger has 3 AOE UPT4, not 4. If you are running a full team, you are better off not using its AOE because its damage isn't high on Blunt and Glut weak compared to what S# attacks will do to enemies with modern units. Speaking of modern units, their Rolls outperform the need for Paralysis to be on the enemy. The only time you would need Leger is if you are running a challenge run; there are better EGOs that could use its resources. Leger has a decent floor but a low ceiling compared to other Zayin with Clashes.

Not directly related to Coins, though WB has a higher Corrosion flip than WB's Positive flip, WB is better than AB for Ishmael, though I understand that not everyone has her.
There is no 4th Match Flame Hong Lu-- did you mean Wellcheers? I agree that Holiday Heathcliff is absolute garbage, even if RNG was blessed with its mechanics it is horrid.

Soda EGOs are not bad at all, they just require planning. Hong Lu's is meant for Stigma, Ryoshu is meant for Masquerade runs. Forest of the Flame UPT4 performs worse than if yo utilize Soda UPT4 properly because it expands your arsenal.

There are few bad EGOs, but there are much more bad EGO passive because they are often released in mind for an upcoming or past unit, such as MFE Heathcliff being used for Harpooner--but that means that IDs that are new will likely benefit less from some of these passive because their kit does not fit it [MFE Heathcliff is not meant to be called 'bad' here]. EGOs matter the most in RR, and especially on the earlier runs, so you have less resources; meaning that passives are much more ideal to benefit off than the EGO itself at this point of the game as a one-turn gimmick that an EGO will do is going to be less efficient over a several turn fight when you can only activate it once - especially with EGO Affinity resistances.

GoT takes too many resources to be considered worth using since your team will only compensate about half of the Affinity board. I am pretty sure it was ESGOO or someone else who was hoping it worked a different way, which I agree to, and its passive is garbage and does not correspond to its mechanic--its mechanic barely pays out, too. Other EGOs do GoT's support gimmick better for cheaper, like ES Meursault OR Holiday Outis. GoT attempts to cover too wide of field to be considered practical for little payout.

Oi, don't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ legerdemain. It's damage is low, but dirt cheap res and sanity-wise aoe paralyze goes a long way. And considering it is a ZAYN ego, its relatively cheap to UT4. Also, well, I consider stuff at ther UT4 form for evaluation, cause its kinda pointless otherwise. And good luck dealing with some BS clashes of Sancho or Quixote or somewhere in their range without paralyze. I mean, if you're a 4d chess grandmaster who can optimize his team so everything consistently goes uphill, then sure.

And what other ZAYN egos are we talking about anyway? Frankly, their use outside of being "big number on demand" is fairly limited, and very few are worth ut4. THey have some wierd stuff like "sp gain efficiency" debuff on Hong Lu's default ZAYIN at ut4, and the same on Rodion's, what the hell is even that? The only useful ones, outside debuff egos like Chains/Crow Eye, are Ryoshu's forest of flame and Heath's bodysac, maybe Sinclair's branch with 12 rupture. Others are just a big number to throw, meh.

Ryoshu's Soda eats too much resources for what it's doing in terms of resources, despite having an AOE. 2 Fragile is better.

I dunno, the effect of some passives is rather low to consistently maintain. The only one relatively worthy is Magic Bullet of Outis' ego, as it directly improves damage output. So I still think egos are the 1 maybe 2 turn stuff that is meant to tip the battle in your favor. And MFE Heath's main gimmick effect is AOE -2 attack power when used. Anyway.

GoT is "somewhat" useful only because Priest Gregor, without him it was a complete expensive garbage still.

[Lisanna Neferi]

Originally posted by Zeru:

While I wouldn't recommend it, Garden of Thorns is somewhat playable for two reasons
1) Superbia
2) No competition on Gregor WAW slot

Now, 4th Match Yi Sang... I'm looking at it and I have no idea why it exists..

When a yi sang burn id comes out, an ego with 5 weight plus 4 burn +6 on head hit could make burn even viable for aoe clears in normal content and railways.

[Reptiloid]

Originally posted by Lisanna Neferi:

Originally posted by Zeru:

While I wouldn't recommend it, Garden of Thorns is somewhat playable for two reasons
1) Superbia
2) No competition on Gregor WAW slot

Now, 4th Match Yi Sang... I'm looking at it and I have no idea why it exists..

When a yi sang burn id comes out, an ego with 5 weight plus 4 burn +6 on head hit could make burn even viable for aoe clears in normal content and railways.

It would be an ok ego if it had at least 1 additional burn count. It could be a cheap opener for burn team to get going, useful in battles outside MD.

[Coin]

Originally posted by Zeru:

Originally posted by Joshua Kurayami:

Uh, 4th Match only reaches 37 or 39 against enemies with burn at most.

Thanks for the correction. Doesn't change my recommendation though. 37-39 is good enough to beat most things in a clash still

It also deals good damage.