Would you rather join the Kurokumo Clan or the Blade Lineage?

[SirKayote]

Of course, living in the city is ♥♥♥♥ no matter where it is, but which faction do you prefer?

I'm torn because Bamboo Hatted Kim feels like he'd be a cool guy to learn from, but if the rest of the Kurokumos are anything like Jun, it sounds like they'd be way more fun.

[Coin]

Publicado originalmente por Red riding hood the third:

there is one good thing, you dont pay taxes to the syndicate with the index. its the best place for the poor and weak at least until they find a stable job somewhere else.

dunno about the ring, living there as a middle class seems impossible. at best you make a lot of money and at worst you become paint for an F graded painting

Middle > Index >= Thumb > Ring IMO. The only problem with index is that they're interely upredictable, so it's probabbly gonna be fine 95% of the time, and then you just get tottaly ♥♥♥♥♥♥. With thumb you get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ for breathing wrong. Ring is insane. And being part of the Middle seems to be the best, as long as you're ok being a monster, not like you wouldn't be in any other syndicate.

Index is best for any regular person by far.

[Reptiloid]

Publicado originalmente por Red riding hood the third:

Publicado originalmente por Reptiloid:

Mostly cause 70% or so of the population of the city apparently has to interract with them anyway. Either they come for your mom and pop kimchi joint for collections, or behead your neghbour for dealing crack in their territory, or beat you to the death cause you looked at someone from the gang the funny way. If you can't beat evil, join it. Not to mention, we're only humans. Strength in numbers and all.

The only exception I'd make is Index. ♥♥♥♥ these cultist, I'd live with BL, G-corp bugs, inside a whale in pequod town - literally anywhere but in their territory.

there is one good thing, you dont pay taxes to the syndicate with the index. its the best place for the poor and weak at least until they find a stable job somewhere else.

dunno about the ring, living there as a middle class seems impossible. at best you make a lot of money and at worst you become paint for an F graded painting

Better to pay the wig than to be forced to end yourself because a slip of cloth said so. Or have your appartment set ablaze because other dude had the slip of cloth saying him to do so. Or even pay some bizzare tax cause the index goon received a paper saying him to collect, I dunno, your testicles from you. At least in my opinion.

Can't even imagine working for them. Theoretically, one could get clipped there for literally anything.

Thumb, despite having strict rules and brutal punishments, at least has them. If you're cautious enough and with some luck, you can learn them, maybe even thrive because of them. Hell, even ring probably has SOME rules as well, or you can somehow learn the taste of the "artist" that is evaluating you, although I didn't finish leviathan so I don't know for certain. Index tho - completely insane. And I am not just assuming living under them, but also working under them. At least in ring you get to review paintings and all. In thumb the progression is pretty straightforward, the higher you are the more benefits you have, class and respect and all.

In index, first of all, you are fairly limited, only 2 roles, as proselytes are mor of "Associates" or initiates. And they are given, guess how? By a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ prescript! Wanted to be a proxy and skewer people alive for not following words on a piece of cloth? Tough luck! Now you deliver the same piece of cloth. Not to mention you can ALWAYS receive prescript to scrub the public restroom or something. Literally intollerable.

[Sham!]

kurokumo easy
would cut my pinky for sayo anego

[Coin]

Publicado originalmente por Reptiloid:

Better to pay the wig than to be forced to end yourself because a slip of cloth said so. Or have your appartment set ablaze because other dude had the slip of cloth saying him to do so. Or even pay some bizzare tax cause the index goon received a paper saying him to collect, I dunno, your testicles from you.

Can't even imagine working for them. Theoretically, one could get clipped there for literally anything.

Index is a lottery, Thumb is guaranteed opression. Not to mention not everyone will manage to pay Thumb tax, but almost anyone can do prescripts, unless you can't understand their meaning or consider your life less important than whatever it demands you do.

[Reptiloid]

Publicado originalmente por Coin:

Publicado originalmente por Reptiloid:

Better to pay the wig than to be forced to end yourself because a slip of cloth said so. Or have your appartment set ablaze because other dude had the slip of cloth saying him to do so. Or even pay some bizzare tax cause the index goon received a paper saying him to collect, I dunno, your testicles from you.

Can't even imagine working for them. Theoretically, one could get clipped there for literally anything.

Index is a lottery, Thumb is guaranteed opression. Not to mention not everyone will manage to pay Thumb tax, but almost anyone can do prescripts, unless you can't understand their meaning or consider your life less important than whatever it demands you do.

Maybe I am too influenced by my 3rd world ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I live in, but I'd choose opression which at least has some rules, benefits and progression, then a complete loterey managed by a cult. People around Hitler and Stalin managed to climb up ladders, and some survived them.

Anyway, I actually think most of the denizens of backstreets don't have to interract with the fingers directly most of the time. They have subsidiarries and all, and it seems like it all has a more, uh, feudal structure. Lower syndicates and gangs kick up to higher and it ends up with one of the fingers.

And KK seem to be more chill than Thumb imo. Yeah they still mutilate and kill and extort, but at least as Jun you can talk to Sayo or some other superior without getting executed on spot cause you were out of the line. Based on that, I'd guess some low level KK goon or a capitan is living his life fairly comfortably. Still a member of the crew to get some protection and clout, people to extort and some minios to command, but low enough to deal with BS fingers throw at you, at least directly. Quite a good position, all things in the city considered.

[Coin]

Publicado originalmente por Reptiloid:

Maybe I am too influenced by my 3rd world ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I live in, but I'd choose opression which at least has some rules, benefits and progression, then a complete loterey managed by a cult. People around Hitler and Stalin managed to climb up ladders, and some survived them.

Anyway, I actually think most of the denizens of backstreets don't have to interract with the fingers directly most of the time. They have subsidiarries and all, and it seems like it all has a more, uh, feudal structure. Lower syndicates and gangs kick up to higher and it ends up with one of the fingers.

And KK seem to be more chill than Thumb imo. Yeah they still mutilate and kill and extort, but at least as Jun you can talk to Sayo or some other superior without getting executed on spot cause you were out of the line. Based on that, I'd guess some low level KK goon or a capitan is living his life fairly comfortabely. Still a member of the crew to get some protection and clout, people to extort and some minios to command, but low enough to deal with BS fingers throw at you. Quite a good position, all things in the city considered.

Well to each their own, it's not like these are good options either way. KK is more chill for sure, but IIRC their introduction in LoR was them punishing remnants of the L corp who didn't pay on time, so for regular people it's still pretty bad. Being a member of KK is relatively fine though, probably better than being an Index member tbh.

[Reptiloid]

Publicado originalmente por Coin:

Well to each their own, it's not like these are good options either way. KK is more chill for sure, but IIRC their introduction in LoR was them punishing remnants of the L corp who didn't pay on time, so for regular people it's still pretty bad. Being a member of KK is relatively fine though, probably better than being an Index member tbh.

And well, the events in L-corp district are more of an exception than the rule. It's not every day that the wing collapses, and suddenly all the cushy nest-dwellers have to face the reality most people in the city live through on daily basis. So, generally speaking, everyone in L-corp district was very unclucky that time, ♥♥♥♥ happens. Maybe the lives of ppl in the T-corp backstreets where KK has territory is different. Hell, it's probably quite different depending on who you deal with, as Sayo was quite resentful of nest-folk, maybe some capitans/henchman are more chill.

[Red riding hood the third]

Publicado originalmente por Reptiloid:

Publicado originalmente por Coin:

Well to each their own, it's not like these are good options either way. KK is more chill for sure, but IIRC their introduction in LoR was them punishing remnants of the L corp who didn't pay on time, so for regular people it's still pretty bad. Being a member of KK is relatively fine though, probably better than being an Index member tbh.

And well, the events in L-corp district are more of an exception than the rule. It's not every day that the wing collapses, and suddenly all the cushy nest-dwellers have to face the reality most people in the city live through on daily basis. So, generally speaking, everyone in L-corp district was very unclucky that time, ♥♥♥♥ happens. Maybe the lives of ppl in the T-corp backstreets where KK has territory is different. Hell, it's probably quite different depending on who you deal with, as Sayo was quite resentful of nest-folk, maybe some capitans/henchman are more chill.

the ones being punished werent regular people. those were the rich that failed to flee. the majority were already dead or part of a syndicate waging war.

its likely more lax and the protection money isnt as outrageous as presented, its rather more weird that the thumb even bothered to protect the inhabitants with all the danger around them

[Red riding hood the third]

Publicado originalmente por Red riding hood the third:

Publicado originalmente por Reptiloid:

And well, the events in L-corp district are more of an exception than the rule. It's not every day that the wing collapses, and suddenly all the cushy nest-dwellers have to face the reality most people in the city live through on daily basis. So, generally speaking, everyone in L-corp district was very unclucky that time, ♥♥♥♥ happens. Maybe the lives of ppl in the T-corp backstreets where KK has territory is different. Hell, it's probably quite different depending on who you deal with, as Sayo was quite resentful of nest-folk, maybe some capitans/henchman are more chill.

the ones being punished werent regular people. those were the rich that failed to flee while the syndicates were waging war.

its likely more lax and the protection money isnt as outrageous as presented, its rather more weird that the thumb even bothered to protect the inhabitants with all the danger around them

[Minh]

Publicado originalmente por Reptiloid:

Publicado originalmente por MRK:

When you say fingers are being cut off, do you mean like branches of the syndicates or like the appendages on my hand?

Both, actually. In LoR Thumb ordered an entire syndicate to be erradicated because they didn't manage to recover from an attack made by certain someone in time, so the Thumb decided they're the weakest link. And in the same conversation Stocapo ordered yet another extermination of the syndicate for questioning his orders, and even took the guy's hand as a punishment for speaking out of line if I am not mistaken. Not to mention that in another conversation they torture the messanger for being out of line again.

So, yeah, mutilation and extermination are pretty common. And considering that KK are Yakuza in PMverse, they also practie their own punishments like these. Yakuza in dystopian capitalist setting, where life is probably worth less than some meme cryptocurrency.

However, people seem to forget that KK clan is one of the largest syndicates of the city and are spread like plauge. So, unless you're somewhere way above and have to interract with the bois from the Thumb directly, there is a pretty good chance you will just mind your own thing and never be touched by the power dynamics, unless Thumb decides to kill all KK members. It's like, uh, a medieval peasant during a feudal lords, dukes and king's wars, most of the time the conflict of big shots doesn't bother you. I'd assume one can live pretty comfortable there.

Close. They cut off relationship because that ally is too slow to recover. They kill off everyone because its leader questions topmost leader. They take the hand because they fail to bring the Nuovo Fabric.

[Reptiloid]

Publicado originalmente por Red riding hood the third:

Publicado originalmente por Red riding hood the third:

the ones being punished werent regular people. those were the rich that failed to flee while the syndicates were waging war.

its likely more lax and the protection money isnt as outrageous as presented, its rather more weird that the thumb even bothered to protect the inhabitants with all the danger around them

Why weird? First of all, not Thumb directly. Secondly, they probably underestimated the danger back when library was urban plauge. Finally, if Thumb wouldn't do it, either directly or indirectly, the index would swoop in. Which they did, as they removed all thumb influence in L corp after the main group with underboss & capos was defeated.

I mean, that's what syndicates do. Propogate forward to extend their toll collection territory. And the "protection" was basically a racket, lol.

[Red riding hood the third]

Publicado originalmente por Reptiloid:

Publicado originalmente por Red riding hood the third:

Why weird? First of all, not Thumb directly. Secondly, they probably underestimated the danger back when library was urban plauge. Finally, if Thumb wouldn't do it, either directly or indirectly, the index would swoop in. Which they did, as they removed all thumb influence in L corp after the main group with underboss & capos was defeated.

I mean, that's what syndicates do. Propogate forward to extend their toll collection territory. And the "protection" was basically a racket, lol.

i dunno, everyone made it sound like they were at war with each other. though on reread i havent seen much fighting before Roland came along. actually the KK and every other bad guy were pretty much chilling lol

[Mastema]

I'd join Chef Gregor because he no diffs both factions

[Coin]

Publicado originalmente por Mastema:

I'd join Chef Gregor because he no diffs both factions

You'd be joining the ingridients faction

[Red riding hood the third]

Publicado originalmente por Coin:

Publicado originalmente por Mastema:

I'd join Chef Gregor because he no diffs both factions

You'd be joining the ingridients faction :squirtyay:

nah i'd cook