Dieci Rodion Kits look at: Weighty Knowledge

[David Bowie Sensei]

So we have just one ID coming out this week (though for people up to date on daily's 2)
Are first time seeing Dieci Association throwing what looks like sinking and Discard skill.
Rod finally gets a sinking ID so she is able to self power her Chapter 2 main EGO Rim Shank.
As we can judge from her aggro skills, this is a clearly a tank ID. It uses shield in the form of a weird ability that uses insight, so lets talk about it.
Insight more knowledge for the player informing you what the last skill ranking discard was.
This goes from Base number one and we guess the it goes up so S1 is less numbered than S3. As of time of writing we have no idea how this effect works with discarding defensive Skills or EGO skills let alone if we can discard them. Still the main purpose of Insight is the core for her tanking state and her passive. We also don't know how discarding groups of skills works as we can only guess last would be at the right hard side of the row.
Each of her main skills have a on discard ability that grants you shield with the equation
Insight amount x X% of Max HP. With the fact her S2, S3 and defensive skill discards skills gaining this shield shouldn't be hard. So whatever X% is will high chances go with S1 being a low amount and S3 being a high amount.

Okay so lets have a light bit of reading up what she can do
First her S1
It has 3 coins which is the lowest amount of coins from her skills. Its also different as it gains coin power based on insight having a odd statement of needing X insight for coin power (insight - Y). So we can guess is that this is a skill that is terrible clash power turn one, while high chances are you are going need insight from a S2 or S3 to get the coin power.
The fact this skill lowers stagger Threshold on its last coin can be quite useful for any tank, when winning a clash is not in the cards.

S2
Here is the skill that starts to show off. A 4 Coin skill that not only discards a skill, thus gaining shield but also will care about sinking to gain clash power. Now sinking is a good effect, but getting high amounts of it is just as tricky as rupture as you gain it as fast as you can lose it. The same goes with this ID having only one this skill on her last coin gaining sinking and her S3 giving her Sinking count, thus making the coin power gain pipe dreamy. What will make or break this ID is how important this coin power will matter in her clashes, though as a tank ID she can afford to take a hit or two.

S3
Now this is a skill that really needs to be seen to judge if this how interesting this skill is. Its discard going for 2 skills could work oddly with Insight as is the lower of the bar skill the last skill.
This skill has 4 coins again, meaning once again coin power is big factor and this skill also gains coin power based on sinking.
What is important is that her first and last coin inflict sinking count. Meaning if her first coin rolls heads and the amount is atleast 2, she can keep up sinking on the target and maybe even pass it on with her last coin. all in all the numbers on sinking count will show how good this skill truly is for sinking teams.

Passives
So she wants to get punched. The harder, the better. Gaining Blunt Dmg up based damage taken but also factors in shield, so unlike other likes to lose IDs, she might have a good reason to wait a turn on attacking, instead using a block which also discards and thus gaining a fiar bit of shield. She they comes back swinging next turn. The fact this passive also has a insight care effect that removes negative status, means things like paralysis or things that got passed because you blocked or took a bad, matter little. Thus making this passive really strong and high chances will have RES rather than OWNED.

Sins
on the small note again. Her colours fully fuel Rim shank, one of her better EGOs that also inflicts a decent amount of sinking, sinking count and having attack weight 3. Its a dream for any effect matter based IDs and not only does this go a long way to help her trigger those coin power effects, the passive on the EGO also cares about sinking and inflicting bind and power down. Its like a match made in heaven.

Final Thoughts
For a ID that does so much, her coins do very little, but as of writing its tough trying to judge how good she will be. High chances as a solo run ID but as we have yet to test her or discard skill in general. She has a ton of coins, a decent fall back with most clash fails gaining her dmg up while having shield to soak damage. On paper that seems insane, but as always numbers remain to be seen.

[Kildread]

I'm quite hopeful for it, I don't really care much for obnoxious coin numbers (What is ultimately used to classify IDs from what I've seen...). Used T4 7 Heathcliff for my Count 5 RR2 clear and he performed very well even if his Rupture-triggers were rarely met. I already use Def Skills a bunch, so this ID falls in line with my playstyle.

[bleh]

im really excited for a sinking rodion that fuels rime and its passive. This ID is going to be a blast to play with very hopeful.

Also dont forget how wel it synergies with spicebush yi sang sunshower. her S3 being sloth is a lot of extra damage she gains from the ego.

[David Bowie Sensei]

Originally posted by bleh:

im really excited for a sinking rodion that fuels rime and its passive. This ID is going to be a blast to play with very hopeful.

Also dont forget how wel it synergies with spicebush yi sang sunshower. her S3 being sloth is a lot of extra damage she gains from the ego.

Same, I plan to test run her with Spice Yi Sang and Boat Ishmael for sinking team testing, then solo running her in MD2 to see how she can fair as a solo. Depending on how much sinking count her S3 gives, she could explode sinking damage after her blunt dmg boost. Even then just using a corroded Rim Shank could fix her the count issue.

Originally posted by Kildread:

I'm quite hopeful for it, I don't really care much for obnoxious coin numbers (What is ultimately used to classify IDs from what I've seen...). Used T4 7 Heathcliff for my Count 5 RR2 clear and he performed very well even if his Rupture-triggers were rarely met. I already use Def Skills a bunch, so this ID falls in line with my playstyle.

Im in the same boat that loads coins isn't always the best if you end up with no clash power. W Corp Ryoshu and Boat Sinclair have their S1 suffer that issue of "wow loads of coins, but zero clash power". Its like how R corp Ishmael and Cinq Don are good IDs even though they have a fair few coins bar Ishmael's S3. The only issue with IDs with one coin is you are pretty much all or nothing the clash, but they tend to have a good ceiling clash wise to make up for it.

[Kildread]

Originally posted by bleh:

im really excited for a sinking rodion that fuels rime and its passive. This ID is going to be a blast to play with very hopeful.

Also dont forget how wel it synergies with spicebush yi sang sunshower. her S3 being sloth is a lot of extra damage she gains from the ego.

I'm on that boat as well --- Molar Ish and Spice Yi Sang are mainstays, I haven't got Rime Shank, but I'll likely shard it if I get that ID and just switch her out of Kurokumo.

Originally posted by David Bowie Sensei:

Im in the same boat that loads coins isn't always the best if you end up with no clash power. W Corp Ryoshu and Boat Sinclair have their S1 suffer that issue of "wow loads of coins, but zero clash power". Its like how R corp Ishmael and Cinq Don are good IDs even though they have a fair few coins bar Ishmael's S3. The only issue with IDs with one coin is you are pretty much all or nothing the clash, but they tend to have a good ceiling clash wise to make up for it.

I found one-coins to be more reliable. On some harder clashes, those multi-coin skills sometimes get 1 try at a perfect all-heads rolls, otherwise it's just more failed clashes that lead to more damage. It's easier to not hit tails on one-coin than no tails on 4 coins for X clashes.

Then again, I'm probably biased --- I used Sloshing Ish, Kurokumo Rodion, and now L Corp Faust, and I find their S3s to be great, even against lots-of-coins. If I end up with a Tails, chances are those multi-coins would have hit it as well.

7 Ryoshu has single coins except her S3 and I found her a pretty good ID.

The biggest thing lots-of-coins do for me is that they're normally pretty great animations and the damage racks up more (Boat Sinclair's S1 is pretty damaging), so there's that (But the damage thing might be psychological. Sky Searing Slash does upwards 200 when Rodion is powered up properly). The one with great coin values are outliers, and I don't think they're meant to set the standard to expect on all IDs.

But really, that Rodion ID does Sinking, tanks, has the new Discard mechanic and looks great. Would fit perfectly in my current lineup over her Kurokumo version (Which I find really awesome --- if she has another Poise generation helping her that makes her constantly powered up 2 turns in a fight). I'd shard Rime Shank to complete it, even if the individual coin values are not super great, I've used such IDs before with success.

So yeah, pretty hyped for that one. Enough that I might just shard her if the 2 10 tickets from RR2 don't pull her.

[Arlyeon [Crit Hit]]

I think her ability to take unopposed attacks while still maintaining an offensive (from both aggro and shield gain on offense) - is pretty rad.

[SmallGespenst]

Her S1 seems pretty weird, I'm assuming the Insight requirement will be 2+ so it'll only activate if you've discarded an S2 or S3, which seems dicey since you'd want to be using those. I guess it's throwing you a bone if the draws screw you over?
Her general kit seems focused on one-sided slams using the Insight shield to absorb hits and power her passive, but since the shield gained is proportional to skill level discarded her kit has a bad smell of division between offence and defence, and running healers to make up for the damage she'd take focusing on damage would mangle any sinking build-up you're trying to use since neither Faust or Salty has a Sinking ID and much like rupture, any ID that isn't supporting the status is destroying it.
Edit: She's also ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over by the fact that with 7 Sinner teams becoming the norm for high end content, the spread of Sinking IDs can't support a full roster without dipping into 1*s, even once Dieci Rodion is counted.

[Kildread]

Took Molar Yi Sang on a few MD2 fights to check out the discard mechanic, posting this here since the thread is most recent and Dieci Rodion has Discard too:

-You *can* discard uselessly. Using his S2 while his S3 is the only other selectable skill will discard it, granting you nothing.
-"Discard the lowest skill from all of this unit's skill slots" is still only *1* skill, not 1 *per slot*. +4 Tremor Count per skill used when I did a big S2, S2, S2, S2, S3 chain with S1s slotted otherwise.

To see what Outis' S3 behaves like, with its different wording. It works like the tooltip says, and discards only what is usable, so only the skill that's not used on each skill slot.

[David Bowie Sensei]

Originally posted by Kildread:

Took Molar Yi Sang on a few MD2 fights to check out the discard mechanic, posting this here since the thread is most recent and Dieci Rodion has Discard too:

-You *can* discard uselessly. Using his S2 while his S3 is the only other selectable skill will discard it, granting you nothing.
-"Discard the lowest skill from all of this unit's skill slots" is still only *1* skill, not 1 *per slot*.

I'll be talking about discard and his stats once I finished reviewing him. What I did find quite neat is you can't discard nothing and it will try taking your next skills for the ID if able.

[Kildread]

Originally posted by David Bowie Sensei:

I'll be talking about discard and his stats once I finished reviewing him. What I did find quite neat is you can't discard nothing and it will try taking your next skills for the ID if able.

Interesting --- by slotting a def skill or EGO and using the other skill instead?

The tooltip says it only discards usable skills in the Chaining Phase, and nothing off the upcoming list. Either the tooltip is wrong, or there's a bug then...

[David Bowie Sensei]

Originally posted by Kildread:

Interesting --- by slotting a def skill or EGO and using the other skill instead?

The tooltip says it only discards usable skills in the Chaining Phase, and nothing off the upcoming list. Either the tooltip is wrong, or there's a bug then...

Well it checks each slot for something to take so it takes from the slot it was from first then the next row and so on. Had Rusty coin, and the second slotted S2 stole did nothing the second time. Then I had a trigger as the first slotted skill and it stole the second skills as it only had his S1 for choice.
So you can use ego and defensive skills if you have two slots, to take from the other one instead. I might need more testing when Rod comes out as her S3 does take 2 skills rather than Yi Sang who can only take one.

[Kildread]

Guess I'm sharding Rime Shank as planned, thank you Gacha.

https://steamcommunity.com/id/Kildread/screenshot/2125192408630740074/

(Took the 2 decaextraction tickets I had left from RR2, first one was 2 00 dupes).

[Kildread]

If anyone wants to try her out, T4, with T4 Rime Shank, lvl 35.

Friend code: T203628309

Keeping it for next week's MD2H on my side.

[gigastar]

Interesting bit of lore that Deici fixers get stronger in proportion to their knowledge

[Kildread]

Originally posted by gigastar:

Interesting bit of lore that Deici fixers get stronger in proportion to their knowledge

Plays into the whole Insight mechanic, it's pretty straightforward. And discarding S3 is actually a good option to consider. Not quite sure how Discard 2 skills work when Insight takes the last discarded skill into consideration only.

Took her against RR2' doll with Molar Ish & Yi Sang. Did good sinking (It got nuked by it without even getting Sinking Deluge), and her basic hits are pretty nice. Unless you get lucky and can discard S3 twice in a row for a meaty shield, best to look for is S3 -> S2, then Blunt Damage Up so long as you've got the Gloom.

The doll at least, really goes for the aggro slot.

At T4, her S1 is on par with Yi Sang's in clashing power, it gets a bit absurd if you have 3 Insight though...

[Birp]

They did a pretty good job balancing out the incentives for discarding her skill 1 vs skill 3.

You can stick to using her s2's and s3's, which clash for 15 or 16 respectively, not bad.

Or you can defend, discard her s3, gain a fat 60 hp shield & potentially up to 8 Blunt DMG Up next turn, while also turning her s1 from a 3-9 -> a 3-15, granted the offense lvl is kinda low.

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Also, unrelated note, but that Ishmael EGO is fkn cracked wtf...