Ranking every canto now that i did them all (spoilers obviously)

[matija123123]

So this is subjective and I will rank them from worst to best also I think that they are all fairly close except for 2.

7. Rodion: I mean this canto has nothing no boss fight no big backstory no character development we get like two flashback with rodion and that's it.

6. Gregor: Gregor's canto is a great introduction to the game it goes into a good detail about what he has been trough it very well shows horrors of war, boss fight is good and it introduces a lot of characters that will be relevant later, but it still suffers from same problems rodion's story suffers and that is that it was among the first and it just isn't there yet.

5. Heathcliff: probably going to be controversial because a lot of people like it but I kind of got angry at it, specifically at the relationship between him and Catherine that entire story could have been avoided if they talked to each other once, and instead heathcliff cucked himself and Catherine decided to just give up. Final boss was insanely good though.

4. Don: i don't really have many negative things to say about this one maybe that it's a bit to difficult especially with new game mechanic such as unbreakable coins but I don't want to use difficulty as a negative. Visually it's the best looking canto boss fights were good story was good music fantastic. It's amazing but personally I like the remaining 3 slightly more.

3. Sinclair: I think this is a exact moment where the game goes from decent to amazing we get our first Mili song first big boss story feels extremely more fleshed out in comparison to the previous two cantos Sinclair goes insane and whole story to me feels heavily inspired by berserk. Also I really like Kromer like a lot.

2nd Ishmael: started out a bit annoying but the longer it went the more I understood where Ismael was coming from Ahab lived to the buildup we got the middle there is that bittersweetness as Ishmael starts to accept that killing Ahab will not change anything all in all this canto made me like what was to me the most boring character in the game and for that reason it's this high. Also compass is my favorite Mili song so there is that as well.

1st. Yi sang: it's not even close honestly like there is a gap between canto 4 and everything else in this game I could talk all day about it. Build up is slow but in a good way flashback scenes are extremely sad but happy at the same time symbolism with the cow was perfect dongrang distorting and then developing ego was hype.

Entire canto showcases this unforgiving battle with depression trough the eyes of Yi Sang as he relieves his unfortunate past and as he struggle to see better tomorrow it's just perfect. And then you have the boss fights OST that final scene in the house 10/10.

Again this is subjective but I don't think that they topped canto 4 at least not story wise.

Anyway if anyone disagrees they are free to do so and if anyone wants to explain why they maybe like other stories more or less I am very passionate about this game and I would love to talk about it more.

[EASY PETE]

For me its

2
4
1
3
5
6
7

[Om3ga-Z3ro]

2
1
6
3
4
7
5

[Kagarita]

2
1
4
3
7
5
6

[Joshua Kurayami]

5
2
1
4
7
6
3

I guess I'll throw in my explanation why Canto 2 isn't my lowest rated but 5 is. Ishmael ruined her own Canto and my views on her. I had some pity for her because it was technically the team's fault for kinda treating the situation lightly and basically ignoring her, but her being in "Saltier than the lake" mode just made me have trouble enjoying the fun parts like pirate hook, Ricardo and the hair coupons. Also the fault lies with Ishmael for not killing off the sea politician that was probably the most annoying enemy to fight during RR. Also she has definitely hasn't changed for the better and takes advantage of Heathcliff by tossing him under Mephi any chance she gets. Even Dante had inner thoughts about him being treated as a joke by others during the sweeper intervallo.

[Demonking]

I'd be hard pressed to rank them in any real order because I understood each of them were going for a different sort of appeal and it makes hard for me to compare them.

What I will say about rodion's canto though, to be fair there was character development just... Not for rodion. Her entire canto was about the fact she's not ready to excel yet. The other sinner contribute more than she does at every step of the canto because she sort of wants to be special without putting in the work. The ending of canto was a big nod to that too, she didn't even fight babayaga (not that they could at the time). Ultimately it was people she dismissed that did all the heavy lifting, as usual. The only thing she ever does all canto is bluff extremely well, just like she has her entire life.

So I won't say that should change your opinion, but try to understand that feeling of it being incomplete was intentional. It was, she didn't even attempt to resonate with bough once and the fight became impossible to win for it.

[RedSage]

I always like seeing others place 4 at the top, seeing it's my favourite as well. Its story was the one that personally resonated with me the most.

Personally, I'd have a hard time placing them in a "worst to best" order because that would still suggest I think one is the worst, when I wouldn't really rate any lower than a 7/10.

That being said, I'd probably place them so:

2

3

1 The Smoke War is the PM universe's canon event.

5 This would probably be higher if Ishmael's attitude and personality shift didn't lead to her being grating in the story. The payoff at the end is great, but getting there, I kept wanting to punch her and tell her to settle tf down.

6 This would actually be at the top were it not for the ending. Everything before Clear All Cathy? Peak cinema. Everything after I pressed that button? I felt hollow and empty. I then cried the rest of the night and not in a good way. I just want my boy Heathcliff to be happy. (I still want to push Nelly down those damn stairs)

7 I had been waiting the ENTIRE canto for a tilting at windmills moment. And as the final battle approached, I was losing hope I'd get it. But the moment I read "...the Bloodfiends of the Family with many arms, like windmills?" my eyes lit up. Having the final boss be the windmill? Peak. Despite having to retry the fight a few times, I still found it amazing in the end.

"Where must I flee to, then? Enlighten me, Sancho. I tipped the scales of that endless war, yet...there was no coexistence to be found at its end. With blood, I have created this place, yet no family has found happiness within it. I have dreamed, yet the dream only woke me to a heart impaled by stakes and this fetid stench of blood. Look at me, Sancho! I am but Don Quixote...La Manchaland's Don Quixote."

Don Quixote's VA knocked it out of the park.

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Originally posted by matija123123:

5. Heathcliff: probably going to be controversial because a lot of people like it but I kind of got angry at it, specifically at the relationship between him and Catherine that entire story could have been avoided if they talked to each other once, and instead heathcliff cucked himself and Catherine decided to just give up.

You're not mad at PM's writing, you're actually mad at the original Wuthering Heights, where that's exactly how it goes as well.

[matija123123]

Originally posted by Joshua Kurayami:

5
2
1
4
7
3
6

I guess I'll throw in my explanation why Canto 2 isn't my lowest rated but 5 is. Ishmael ruined her own Canto and my views on her. I had some pity for her because it was technically the team's fault for kinda treating the situation lightly and basically ignoring her, but her being in "Saltier than the lake" mode just made me have trouble enjoying the fun parts like pirate hook, Ricardo and the hair coupons. Also the fault lies with Ishmael for not killing off the sea politician that was probably the most annoying enemy to fight during RR. Also she has definitely hasn't changed for the better and takes advantage of Heathcliff by tossing him under Mephi any chance she gets. Even Dante had inner thoughts about him being treated as a joke by others during the sweeper intervallo.

Ishmael was right to be salty and angry because at the end of a day they were not ready and they should have been actually dead if it wasn't for indigo elder that just so happened to be there at the right time when Ricardo was slaughtering them.

Not to mention that indigo was again the one that saved them from the whale at the end. If it wasn't for a complete stranger they would have been all dead twice. Not to mention laws of the lake that they were barely avoiding because of her.

She was literally forced into her actual death potentially of course she was angry.

I'm not saying that she didn't ruin the mood of the story but she had a pretty good reason to do so.

[matija123123]

Originally posted by Demonking:

I'd be hard pressed to rank them in any real order because I understood each of them were going for a different sort of appeal and it makes hard for me to compare them.

What I will say about rodion's canto though, to be fair there was character development just... Not for rodion. Her entire canto was about the fact she's not ready to excel yet. The other sinner contribute more than she does at every step of the canto because she sort of wants to be special without putting in the work. The ending of canto was a big nod to that too, she didn't even fight babayaga (not that they could at the time). Ultimately it was people she dismissed that did all the heavy lifting, as usual. The only thing she ever does all canto is bluff extremely well, just like she has her entire life.

So I won't say that should change your opinion, but try to understand that feeling of it being incomplete was intentional. It was, she didn't even attempt to resonate with bough once and the fight became impossible to win for it.

I get it but that still doesn't change the fact that it lacks in every way even if you look at other people most will pick it as their least favorite canto.

[Joshua Kurayami]

Originally posted by matija123123:

Originally posted by Joshua Kurayami:

5
2
1
4
7
3
6

I guess I'll throw in my explanation why Canto 2 isn't my lowest rated but 5 is. Ishmael ruined her own Canto and my views on her. I had some pity for her because it was technically the team's fault for kinda treating the situation lightly and basically ignoring her, but her being in "Saltier than the lake" mode just made me have trouble enjoying the fun parts like pirate hook, Ricardo and the hair coupons. Also the fault lies with Ishmael for not killing off the sea politician that was probably the most annoying enemy to fight during RR. Also she has definitely hasn't changed for the better and takes advantage of Heathcliff by tossing him under Mephi any chance she gets. Even Dante had inner thoughts about him being treated as a joke by others during the sweeper intervallo.

Ishmael was right to be salty and angry because at the end of a day they were not ready and they should have been actually dead if it wasn't for indigo elder that just so happened to be there at the right time when Ricardo was slaughtering them.

Not to mention that indigo was again the one that saved them from the whale at the end. If it wasn't for a complete stranger they would have been all dead twice. Not to mention laws of the lake that they were barely avoiding because of her.

She was literally forced into her actual death potentially of course she was angry.

I'm not saying that she didn't ruin the mood of the story but she had a pretty good reason to do so.

I'm aware of the reasons, which is why I said I started the Canto feeling pity, but almost an entire canto where she's a threat to everyone, which also includes her teammates, and there was even a bit that had both her and Ahab casually laughing like psychopaths during the deal between each other, and also not having much on an impact development wise (Compared to Yi sang where he's more open, Sinclair not being as cowardly, etc) and all other Cantos just didn't have parts where It felt like I was simply tolerating the Canto instead of enjoying it, even if some of the other Cantos might had a downside or two, like Don obviously feeling rushed in some parts and Rodion having the least amount of focus in her Canto compared to the rest.

All Ishmael's Canto did for me is give me a sinner that I now officially dislike, and it didn't help that I wasted 70 extractions to not get Peq Captain Ishmael, forcing me to grind MD for chests and get an ID that was overhyped at the time. Her assist attack isn't worth the constant SP issues from killsteals and being a bigger pain in the rear to fix than using Grip Sinclair on auto-win. I did enjoy some of the other IDs like Pequod Heathcliff and Pirate Gregor though.