Backseating problem

[Ryuji]

One thing I see with most streamers across all games is the constant backseating from the community. It actually pushes people away from PM games in general. Like, why can’t people just watch without feeling the need to backseat every little thing I mean its less in Ruina and Lob Corp but most constant in Limbus.

[76561199247153524]

yes there is a huge backseating problem unfortunately, same thing happened with undertale/deltarune back when markiplier and jacksepticeye played them
honestly? myonly solution to this is to just put member only chat/not listen to what they say
recently infernasu (huge roblox/fighting game yt) played limbus and ruina, he dropped limbus to play ruina and the comments were full of people telling them to "learn how to clash" etc etc (i was one too tbh)
they were doing fine up until philip and even managed to beat him with move spam (they were using early game cards up until kurokumo)
they also didnt use any other floor beside keter for some reason
suddenly when they reached malkuth realization this vro learns how to clash, speed values, redirecting, passives, all at the same fight and manages to first try malkuth realization lmao

i feel like if its not forced they eventually learn it, like hey i didnt know thing about pm and i was amazed cuz i didnt have anything in my ear buzzing about "do this do taht"

[Ryuji]

Originally posted by overdrivefantasy:

yes there is a huge backseating problem unfortunately, same thing happened with undertale/deltarune back when markiplier and jacksepticeye played them
honestly? myonly solution to this is to just put member only chat/not listen to what they say
recently infernasu (huge roblox/fighting game yt) played limbus and ruina, he dropped limbus to play ruina and the comments were full of people telling them to "learn how to clash" etc etc (i was one too tbh)
they were doing fine up until philip and even managed to beat him with move spam (they were using early game cards up until kurokumo)
they also didnt use any other floor beside keter for some reason
suddenly when they reached malkuth realization this vro learns how to clash, speed values, redirecting, passives, all at the same fight and manages to first try malkuth realization lmao

i feel like if its not forced they eventually learn it, like hey i didnt know thing about pm and i was amazed cuz i didnt have anything in my ear buzzing about "do this do taht"

fellow infer view W but any way yea its hard for streamers to get into community like pm because of the back seating while we normal players don't got anyone in our ears.

[Reptiloid]

If it's not Korean segment of YT/Twitch, then I doubt it impacts the game much.

[Eight♥Six]

The game is growing without the streamer community tbh

Back seating is just a common issue regardless of game.
if they're streaming Limbus Company chances are they're either in a position to not be backseated due to being known from streaming Limbus Company and having more information than their community or they're a variety streamer and have the choice to play Limbus Company off stream but choose not to
The latter is just a skill issue on their part tbh

But aye I get the sentiment here and it is a shame that the community can't just either experience the journey with them or vicariously relive the journey whist allowing them to organically experience things.

[DoT]

Backseating is a general problem in all games. Complaining about it isn't going to make it stop. It's like a very annoying itch for them, they can't help it.

Even if the advice they give isn't even good in the first place.

[khazuskaia]

That's a problem for everything is done with an audience in mind. They have to engage with them, regardless of the opinions being hurled at them. It's not only on streaming.

Watching movies in a theater with lots of people in the audience is one of the earliest of backseating I can remember, with some complaining outloud why aren't things being done in a way that pleases them.

The streamers just have to deal with it, IMO. They should have known that doing things with an audience in mind is vastly different than doing it with only themselves.

[nacho_chicken]

Originally posted by khazuskaia:

The streamers just have to deal with it, IMO. They should have known that doing things with an audience in mind is vastly different than doing it with only themselves.

Fully agreed, with the caveat that "deal with it" doesn't necessarily mean "put up with it". As a streamer, you have the ability to put a hard stop to anyone who steps out of line. Bans, long timeouts, etc. People will start to behave after being punished for their stupidity and watching others be punished. The streamers I've seen that draw a hard line in the sand about backseating have very few problems.

Backseating isn't even an exclusively ProjectMoon fandom thing. This is a problem in every single large community that skews towards a younger crowd (which PMoon does thanks to Roblox).

[RedCobra]

its common so just ignore it.

stuck tooo long also not fun to see.

back seating is fine for me.

except giving spoiler or the streamer is annoying Af doing poinless screaming or doing not fun joke. this people deserve stream ban.

[Minh]

Originally posted by overdrivefantasy:

yes there is a huge backseating problem unfortunately, same thing happened with undertale/deltarune back when markiplier and jacksepticeye played them
honestly? myonly solution to this is to just put member only chat/not listen to what they say
recently infernasu (huge roblox/fighting game yt) played limbus and ruina, he dropped limbus to play ruina and the comments were full of people telling them to "learn how to clash" etc etc (i was one too tbh)
they were doing fine up until philip and even managed to beat him with move spam (they were using early game cards up until kurokumo)
they also didnt use any other floor beside keter for some reason
suddenly when they reached malkuth realization this vro learns how to clash, speed values, redirecting, passives, all at the same fight and manages to first try malkuth realization lmao

i feel like if its not forced they eventually learn it, like hey i didnt know thing about pm and i was amazed cuz i didnt have anything in my ear buzzing about "do this do taht"

Yes.

[MerryBellyBerry]

Also spoilers!!! When they backseat they add spoilers like future bosses and stuff!! What's worse if you call them out they are like "this isn't really spoilers though?"

This is why I prefer watching channels that just record them playing by themselves and then uploading it.

[Minh]

Originally posted by MerryBellyBerry:

Also spoilers!!! When they backseat they add spoilers like future bosses and stuff!! What's worse if you call them out they are like "this isn't really spoilers though?" :appleAngela:

This is why I prefer watching channels that just record them playing by themselves and then uploading it.

No. Spoilers.

[Terratrox]

Originally posted by MerryBellyBerry:

Also spoilers!!! When they backseat they add spoilers like future bosses and stuff!! What's worse if you call them out they are like "this isn't really spoilers though?" :appleAngela:

This is why I prefer watching channels that just record them playing by themselves and then uploading it.

TBF, some people call everything spoilers. I once got banned from a DS3 stream because I told the streamer the keybind for dodge rolling (she missed the tutorial message and was on her 4th runback to the tutorial boss)

On Limbus, I've been banned for explaining the Resonance system and some of the status effects that were showing up in the fights. (Like the difference between Offense Up and Damage Up)

[Om3ga-Z3ro]

The whole "No spoilers" problem is bad from both sides.

If the game is very new and people spoil it for the streamer then yeah, the audience are the a-holes.
If the game is old and the streamer hasn't put down any ground rules in terms of spoilers then it is the streamers fault.
Giving advice and pointing out easily missable content is not a spoiler and people need to chill out and identify what a spoiler is. People like Markiplier and Jacksepticeye have really ♥♥♥♥ Perception and they miss the most easiest things because they are too focused making commentary and trying to be funny, they even have that amazing talent that they completely miss key information that the games they play actually give them. (I am still a Markiplier fan/enjoyer but I can still identify major flaws about him)

Backseating unfortunately, comes with the territory with streaming especially when the streamers accepts donations because donations gives the paying audience an assumption that "since they paid, then monkey should dance.", I know there are some decent people that don't do this for these reasons but sadly, you can't stop people from backseating, you can only mitigate it by drawing a line and set down some basic ground rules.

[Orliminecraft]

idk why people struggle with it just shout at your computer monitor ez