Zwei or Captain Ishmael

[Nikshi]

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captain is hot

got 400 ego shards to spend, new player

[lorde]

zwei. peq cap is my favorite ID in the game, she is very fun to use with team optimization but key on 'fun', practicality wise no as she is high maintenance with RNG as well, and her optimization is moreso mirror dungeon runs now for themed runs. zwei is a very good unit, able to ignore staggers, tanky, hits hard, high rolls, tremor is practical with her, has aggro, has power guard. if you don't have molar ishmael she is also a very good choice, but they both are polar opposite units. practicality I believe you would benefit much more from zwei in the overall content currently, though, but molar hits other parts of the game hard.

[lorde]

rip when your favorite upcoming ID does not get an evade, most guards do not go as hard as evades do unless they are gimmicky

[lorde]

Originally posted by alice:

rip when your favorite upcoming ID does not get an evade, most guards do not go as hard as evades do unless they are gimmicky

despite this i do not mean zwei's guard is bad of course

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zwei ishmael: defense, tank, clashable guard, tremor with high single damage

captain: synergy with the pequod crew, assist attack followup is good, poise mixed with some bleed (not much)

[Nikshi]

My current team composition I designed with bleed in mind, and I don't really have too many other units yet (e.g. Tremor).

I am as of now using Kurokumo Heithcliff, Ishmael (which makes me iffy about getting either Zwei or Captain), Gregor, Ryoshu, Ring Sang and The One Who Grips Faust.

[RedCobra]

Originally posted by Nikshi:

title

captain is hot

got 400 ego shards to spend, new player

captain ishmael a bit hard to play because just like ahab, she lose sanity when other identity kill enemies in front of her / steal kill, will lose sanity, and this gimmick is extremely annoying.

she strong piercing id and need sanity management, if you don't put her at slot 1, will never get 45 sanity.

zwei ishmael better and newbie friendly for any team comp.

[Tied]

As many people say zwei is more General Type for all case.

Captain ish (If you mean Ahab Ish). A little more niche or specialist.

Her ability to Assist Attack is a insane powerful ability.

So I'm gonna list the use case of her follow up.

Assist Attack: Use the ally S1 which is to the right of this sinner(ahab ish) on the dashboard.

1. Using follow up attack to trigger S1 twice and you prefer sinner who do massive or good dmg in S1.
Dieci Rodion which if you have 3 insight. You buff your S1 + You use assist Attack which it a two hit combo. Super good.

2. Sinner with good dmging S1 is good but not really that helpful. So what about S1 with good debuff. Prequod Yi sang which have S1 that inflict 1 bind. So if your enemy have good speed, you can inflict this 2 times in a turn. Which is super useful.

3. Hard to maintain buff like poise/charge? Well with assist Attack you can gain more of it. (Basically any Poise and Charge ID) (You can also include self tremor or deyvat to ramp up faster)

4. Conditional that you need other skill for S1 to be better? Well you can now have it more commonly (Conditional like Dieci Rodion, Barber Outis) (Or Dmg increase with Charge)

5. S1 that self buff is double (unless stated it once per turn) but you can use S2 with Assist Attack S1 to get more buff next turn.

So it would be best to pair up Captain Ish with any unit that is have any of the one above.

Although, her follow up is rng and to make it 100% you mostly need 5 of the same color which include herself. So it mostly good in pride team.

However. She give defense lvl and Offense lvl so it a good buff still minor one.

Her S3, very good too but it highest A Res so you normally get 2 ally since it rounded up.

Her best team is

Poise Team,
Sucide Team (She Gain sanity on allies death),
Pride Team,
S1 Team (Rng but you dont really need to make 5 and gamble with 60% or 80%)
Res Team (She can still trigger with other sinner but it way harder)

[lorde]

Originally posted by Nikshi:

My current team composition I designed with bleed in mind, and I don't really have too many other units yet (e.g. Tremor).

I am as of now using Kurokumo Heithcliff, Ishmael (which makes me iffy about getting either Zwei or Captain), Gregor, Ryoshu, Ring Sang and The One Who Grips Faust.

oh you meant KK captain ish not peq captain. ish and heathcliff shine in slash teams that can consistently debuff and dot enemies to get their damage output up, making her a mix of support and damage. you would be running her with KK heathcliff, so you would likely be running her in a lust team, purposely let an ally who can take a hit get one sided so heathcliff can one side them back, stuff like that. she is an easy ID to use but she is 100% a team build ID, not a standalone that can work like zwei. in my opinion i would go for zwei in your situation, especially if you have another heathcliff you can use like WH,but you would also be fine going with KK ish.

[Minh]

Originally posted by Tied:

As many people say zwei is more General Type for all case.

Captain ish (If you mean Ahab Ish). A little more niche or specialist.

Her ability to Assist Attack is a insane powerful ability.

So I'm gonna list the use case of her follow up.

Assist Attack: Use the ally S1 which is to the right of this sinner(ahab ish) on the dashboard.

1. Using follow up attack to trigger S1 twice and you prefer sinner who do massive or good dmg in S1.
Dieci Rodion which if you have 3 insight. You buff your S1 + You use assist Attack which it a two hit combo. Super good.

2. Sinner with good dmging S1 is good but not really that helpful. So what about S1 with good debuff. Prequod Yi sang which have S1 that inflict 1 bind. So if your enemy have good speed, you can inflict this 2 times in a turn. Which is super useful.

3. Hard to maintain buff like poise/charge? Well with assist Attack you can gain more of it. (Basically any Poise and Charge ID) (You can also include self tremor or deyvat to ramp up faster)

4. Conditional that you need other skill for S1 to be better? Well you can now have it more commonly (Conditional like Dieci Rodion, Barber Outis) (Or Dmg increase with Charge)

5. S1 that self buff is double (unless stated it once per turn) but you can use S2 with Assist Attack S1 to get more buff next turn.

So it would be best to pair up Captain Ish with any unit that is have any of the one above.

Although, her follow up is rng and to make it 100% you mostly need 5 of the same color which include herself. So it mostly good in pride team.

However. She give defense lvl and Offense lvl so it a good buff still minor one.

Her S3, very good too but it highest A Res so you normally get 2 ally since it rounded up.

Her best team is

Poise Team,
Sucide Team (She Gain sanity on allies death),
Pride Team,
S1 Team (Rng but you dont really need to make 5 and gamble with 60% or 80%)
Res Team (She can still trigger with other sinner but it way harder)

Yes. Yes.

[Demonking]

I personally consider Captain ishmael of higher value overall but Zwei is easier to throw into different teams. Captain Ishmeal has a couple things going for her, pride resonance and assist attack being among the top. She's also part of a 3 man set so you can fit her into some other teams without the immediate drop in power KK Ishmael experiences.

That said having played around with Zwei? She's REALLY good as just a 'I need a tank' option. This makes her great for filling out sin affinities when you need it and tremor has a number of teams that benefit for her presence. As a general rule you'll just get more uses out of her and don't have to contend with sanity drops due to her not getting the kill.

[Minh]

Originally posted by Demonking:

I personally consider Captain ishmael of higher value overall but Zwei is easier to throw into different teams. Captain Ishmeal has a couple things going for her, pride resonance and assist attack being among the top. She's also part of a 3 man set so you can fit her into some other teams without the immediate drop in power KK Ishmael experiences.

That said having played around with Zwei? She's REALLY good as just a 'I need a tank' option. This makes her great for filling out sin affinities when you need it and tremor has a number of teams that benefit for her presence. As a general rule you'll just get more uses out of her and don't have to contend with sanity drops due to her not getting the kill.

Yes.