W Corp Ryoshu or Red Eyes Ryoshu for Charge Team

[Dangeki]

Which one would be the most effective?

[Minh]

Former.

Permission to bounce on it?님이 먼저 게시:

Which one would be the most effective?

Former.

[Dangeki]

Ahh noted ty both!

[1162706830]

W is a lot better. She benefits more from MD gift.

An S1-S3 replacement for W Ryoshu is very powerful, while Spider Ryoshu just can't fuel extra S4.

[|Revenge|]

do be aware that red eyes ryoshu can clash better, specially on the earlier turns.

[A5G_Reaper]

Red Eyes is notably better for winrate spam, which is about 90% of MD run these days. But W-corp is better overall synergy.

[MotivatedBoi]

1162706830님이 먼저 게시:

W is a lot better. She benefits more from MD gift.

An S1-S3 replacement for W Ryoshu is very powerful, while Spider Ryoshu just can't fuel extra S4.

They benefit from EGO gifts equally, though? The only gift that strictly doesn't affect REAP Ryoshu is Nightwision Googles and, like... whatever? Speaking of, her S4 is more powerful than W Ryo's S3, so I'd argue that giving it more availability is actually just as good of an option.

That said, they're both good in a Charge team, so it mostly comes to what type of damage you lack/boss is resistant to.

[Sergalius]

Pure w team - w ryoshu.
Cyborg Charge team... w ryo
We dont have proper team for Red mist Ryo. she is a helping hand for newbies, but her 3.1 skill CD time is killing the burst.

[lockedmind]

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1162706830님이 먼저 게시:

W is a lot better. She benefits more from MD gift.

An S1-S3 replacement for W Ryoshu is very powerful, while Spider Ryoshu just can't fuel extra S4.

They benefit from EGO gifts equally, though? The only gift that strictly doesn't affect REAR Ryoshu is Nightwision Googles and, like... whatever? Speaking of, her S4 is more powerful than W Ryo's S3, so I'd argue that giving it more availability is actually just as good of an option.

When you are swimming in charge due to gifts W Ryoshu can chain her S3, while REAR Ryoshu has mandatory cooldown round after S4 when she is stuck at 0 charge and can't gain more.

[Sergalius]

lockedmind님이 먼저 게시:

MotivatedBoi님이 먼저 게시:

They benefit from EGO gifts equally, though? The only gift that strictly doesn't affect REAR Ryoshu is Nightwision Googles and, like... whatever? Speaking of, her S4 is more powerful than W Ryo's S3, so I'd argue that giving it more availability is actually just as good of an option.

When you are swimming in charge due to gifts W Ryoshu can chain her S3, while REAR Ryoshu has mandatory cooldown round after S4 when she is stuck at 0 charge and can't gain more.

Yes

[MotivatedBoi]

lockedmind님이 먼저 게시:

MotivatedBoi님이 먼저 게시:

They benefit from EGO gifts equally, though? The only gift that strictly doesn't affect REAP Ryoshu is Nightwision Googles and, like... whatever? Speaking of, her S4 is more powerful than W Ryo's S3, so I'd argue that giving it more availability is actually just as good of an option.

When you are swimming in charge due to gifts W Ryoshu can chain her S3, while REAP Ryoshu has mandatory cooldown round after S4 when she is stuck at 0 charge and can't gain more.

So she uses her S4 twice in 3 turns instead of W Ryo using S3 twice in 2 turns... so what? It doesn't change the fact that she deals more damage with it, unless you'll somehow speedrun a fight where you'll even have to use it twice, in 2 turns. Her clashing is on the lower end during Ashes turn, that is true, but she also provides healing support during that turn, and on the next turn she'll instantly recover anyway due to all the Charge giving EGO gifts.

[Prabs Prettypaws]

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Which one would be the most effective?

W Ryoshu for Charge teams, RE&P for Bleed teams and actual content.

[RedCobra]

w corp ryo benefit with charge gift she does insane damage when all gift collected she easily deal 300 - 500 damage alone with skill 3.

red eye ryoshu more to self sustain heal to survive and more benefit to bleed gift + tier 3 charge gift that give her charge.

damage not so much than w corp that pure power.

w corp still hit harder for pure raw damage.

and both are different type and use for different situations.

i repeat this and please plant it deep in your brain.

w corp ryo is SLASH damage use it to anything weak to SLASH damage.

red eye ryo is BLUNT damage use it to anything weak to blunt damage.

they both are not the same and use in different place.

[RedCobra]

there is a situations that you want to use slash to weak to slash bosses.

&

There is a situations that you want to use blunt to weak to blunt bosses.

you don't want to see small number every hit right ?

forcing your self 1 - 15 damage to bosses that resist, don't do that, that is newbie mistake.

[Angela]

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1162706830님이 먼저 게시:

W is a lot better. She benefits more from MD gift.

An S1-S3 replacement for W Ryoshu is very powerful, while Spider Ryoshu just can't fuel extra S4.

They benefit from EGO gifts equally, though? The only gift that strictly doesn't affect REAP Ryoshu is Nightwision Googles and, like... whatever? Speaking of, her S4 is more powerful than W Ryo's S3, so I'd argue that giving it more availability is actually just as good of an option.

Because W Corp only requires 7 to 15 charges for the S3, that is what Lighting Rod++ will provide on T1, or 10 pair with Portable Battery++
Red Eyes on the other hand, wants 30 charges for her alternate S3, even if you have Charge T4 and Lighting Rod++, you not gonna gain 30 charge on T1, and not only that she also want min of 15/15 for both charge, so if you got idk 20 penitence and 14 red eyes? normal S3. Even at T2 she will have difficulty to pull her alternate S3 if you are not swimming with charge gift++ and open with her normal S3.

This also true for her other skill, she want more charge than W Corp. and this is MD, most fight will end in 2 turns or so unless you're running into multi wave fight or you know, running a bad team.

[MotivatedBoi]

Angela님이 먼저 게시:

MotivatedBoi님이 먼저 게시:

They benefit from EGO gifts equally, though? The only gift that strictly doesn't affect REAP Ryoshu is Nightwision Googles and, like... whatever? Speaking of, her S4 is more powerful than W Ryo's S3, so I'd argue that giving it more availability is actually just as good of an option.

Because W Corp only requires 7 to 15 charges for the S3, that is what Lighting Rod++ will provide on T1, or 10 pair with Portable Battery++
Red Eyes on the other hand, wants 30 charges for her alternate S3, even if you have Charge T4 and Lighting Rod++, you not gonna gain 30 charge on T1, and not only that she also want min of 15/15 for both charge, so if you got idk 20 penitence and 14 red eyes? normal S3. Even at T2 she will have difficulty to pull her alternate S3 if you are not swimming with charge gift++ and open with her normal S3.

This also true for her other skill, she want more charge than W Corp. and this is MD, most fight will end in 2 turns or so unless you're running into multi wave fight or you know, running a bad team.

I'll just ask you the same question I'be asked before: so what if she'll use her S4 in 3 turns instead of 2? It doesn't change the overall effectiveness of her S4, or of her kit. Once again, if you have a fight where you need to use DDEDR or SSB in the first place - chances are, it'll go longer than 2 turns. Using DDEDR in such fights, not to mention at 7-10 charge, is an overkill. Not to mention that, by your logic of a bad team, we can discard like 95% of all IDs and call them trash just because they can't clear battles in a single turn. Or just use Bleed team only because Blood Mist.

Once again, both W Ryo and REAP Ryo are equally good in Charge, having their strengths and weaknesses. Which is why most of the choice between who to use comes to either the damage type you lack or the enemy resistances. Personally, I can't say either of them is strictly better than the other, and consider it wrong to try and name the better one of them by looking at their kits through a magnifying glass.