Is Dieci Rodion with Rimeshank necessary for sinking teams?

[Peeping Tom]

I have a friend saying that Dieci Rodion isn't necessary for sinking teams nowadays and her skills just waste count. However, everything I see online says Dieici Rodion is a core unit of the sinking team. What do others think?

My current work in progress sinking team is: Wild hunt Heath, Molar Ish, Butler Outis, Edgar Greg, Lob Corp Ryoshu and W Don. + Butler Faust for support passive

Edit: I do have solemn lament gregor. I have bygone yi sang and Greg as well. Thank you for everybody's replies.

[SIGNAL]

I could be coping because I don't have the EGO, but I don't think Rime Shank is absolutely necessary for Sinking.

Don't get me wrong though, I do believe it's a must-have if you do own it because it's really good, but you can set up Sinking teams just fine without it as well. Count just seems to be trickier to manage without Rime Shank.

[DT]

You can do without her + Rimeshank but never as good as team that have them.

Without Rimeshank you will have extreme hard time trying stack sink count unless you got full batch of sink's ego gift from MD.

[Prabs Prettypaws]

I bench Dieci Rodion on my Sinking runs and I've never had a problem clearing, even on Hard. With how powerful SLYS, WHcliff, and Solemn Lament Edgor are, you really don't need her. Butlers Outis, Faust, and Ishmael are no slouches either, honestly.

I suppose I should also note that I don't even have Rime Shank. Dieci Rodion isn't bad by any means, but she's not the make-or-break point of a Sinking team.

[Skatrzoo]

It's not *necessary* but it helps, particularly on bosses. Although with Solemn YS and Greg, sinking damage is generally much higher so rime shank into spicebush's sinking deluge isn't required to pull off good nuking. (Then again, you don't seem to have Solemn YS or even spicebush for that matter, and didn't mention if you have the solemn greg ego either)

That being said, your ryoushu and don have absolutely no reason to be on an actual sinking team over dieci rodya.

[Reptiloid]

In MD not really. Outside MD I'd say yes, if you want a lot of sinking fast. And I mean, it's a good ego. Aoe sinking, good clash number for teth.

[Minh]

No.

Originally posted by Peeping Tom:

What do others think?

She reduces too many Counts. She's good because she's only 1 that Inflicts it.

[SmallGespenst]

She isn't required anymore, but a Sinking team without her is missing out on a lot since the 5/5 Sinking/Count (or 10/8 when Corroded) at three attack weight is just disgusting. Until Count is trivial to manage, or Rodya get another Sinking ID, Dieci Rodion will continue to see considerable use.

[Birp]

No. I use Dieci Rodion for MD or multi-enemy fights.

I use Butler Faust for single-enemy boss fights. If you don't have a Yisang ID you should use both, though.

[Sleekie]

The reason Deici is popular is because of her Sin colors matching Rime Shank, same reason some people use Reindeer Ish instead of Molar. You have to balance that against how much count Deici eats, but the important part is the Rime Shank, not the ID.

[Turahk]

No but very usefull for bosses and hard fights floor 3 and up

[Birp]

Originally posted by Sleekie:

The reason Deici is popular is because of her Sin colors matching Rime Shank, same reason some people use Reindeer Ish instead of Molar. You have to balance that against how much count Deici eats, but the important part is the Rime Shank, not the ID.

No one uses R Ish over Molar Ish in sinking team, unless they don't have Molar.

And you can substitute Rime Shank with Bygone Days Yisang in most cases tbh.

[fliesabove78]

Rime shank and also Deici Rodya isn't really required in sinking teams any more due to the WH Id's providing more stable sinking count. Also mainly due to echoes of the manor from both butler Faust and Outis just being powerful enough to provide stable sinking count.

If you still want an sinking ego that provides almost the exact results of Rime Shank you should use Bygone Days Yi sang ego. He inflict each of his sinking potency individually so combine with E.O.T.M he can provide a ridiculous amount of sinking count and potency to one enemy(6 pot /3 count - 12/6 count or 15 pot / 8 count if uptie 4). You might as real try this combo even if you have rime shank on team since it cheaper and quicker. There is still only a 50% chance for each infliction to gain one count so results may vary.