the mask and the treason (spoiler canto 7)

[blackovanossar]

can someone tell me WHO really tell Don quixote (the silver one) to go take this mask? for what I have understood, it was Bari, and this Mask is supposed to be a cursed relic. at the same time (it would make sence that it was the same time) the member of Lamanchaland suddenly turn feral and disobey their father that they had obeyed for so long, and began to were masks made "because she wanted to" by the barber.
so, for me, Bari was the total mastermind that created all the sequence of event that concluded by the death of DQ and Sancho becoming the new don quixote as a sinner. And I think Bari is not only immortal, but another member of the Demian crew. so I don't know what exactly they are cooking, but they cook it for a very very long time... or at least she does.

[NetMoverSitan]

Bari was likely the one that killed Angela in the ending of Library of Ruina where she killed Roland and the others and just sat there as the Library expended for 10 years after her Pyrrhic victory.

[kaymarciy]

From what I understand Bari just mentioned the existence of Relics. For no particular reasons. And he started collecting them, albeit all he ever got were fakes. Then Dulcinea made up the plan to remove Don from LaMancha by feeding him false info about the relic.

[Prabs Prettypaws]

Originally posted by NetMoverSitan:

Bari was likely the one that killed Angela in the ending of Library of Ruina where she killed Roland and the others and just sat there as the Library expended for 10 years after her Pyrrhic victory.

This is ridic even for you. Library of Ruina didn't take place 10 years before Limbus Company, much less during the 200+ years that passed after Bari dueled King Don.

Originally posted by kaymarciy:

From what I understand Bari just mentioned the existence of Relics. For no particular reasons. And he started collecting them, albeit all he ever got were fakes. Then Dulcinea made up the plan to remove Don from LaMancha by feeding him false info about the relic.

Incorrect. King Don finally found a real Relic after he and Sancho went on their adventure, but it turned out to be cursed, and the time he spent away from La Manchaland gave his offspring the time to gather their resolve and plot to overthrow him.

[blackovanossar]

Originally posted by kaymarciy:

From what I understand Bari just mentioned the existence of Relics. For no particular reasons. And he started collecting them, albeit all he ever got were fakes. Then Dulcinea made up the plan to remove Don from LaMancha by feeding him false info about the relic.

the problem is 1 : how Dulcinea made a cursed relic? 2 : how did she put it in this place? 3 : why did they said that they have waited long after they go to the 200years adventure, and only began eating humans after so long, soon before they came back? 4 : and why did they only created masks for bloodfiend that they can't remove juuuuust like the one Donquixote wear at this moment.

for me the mask have created a chain reaction in the bloodline of DQ.

[NetMoverSitan]

Originally posted by blackovanossar:

Originally posted by kaymarciy:

From what I understand Bari just mentioned the existence of Relics. For no particular reasons. And he started collecting them, albeit all he ever got were fakes. Then Dulcinea made up the plan to remove Don from LaMancha by feeding him false info about the relic.

the problem is 1 : how Dulcinea made a cursed relic? 2 : how did she put it in this place? 3 : why did they said that they have waited long after they go to the 200years adventure, and only began eating humans after so long, soon before they came back? 4 : and why did they only created masks for bloodfiend that they can't remove juuuuust like the one Donquixote wear at this moment.

for me the mask have created a chain reaction in the bloodline of DQ.

Don Quixote imprisoned them all for 200 years after they went against him, after he and Sancho left for adventuring, all it took was consuming the blood of those killed in an accident to cause this, he did this to save the humans from them. They were tortured after a severe reaction to relapse and the ineffectiveness of the hemobars, that was enough to have them overcome their psychological hold that he has on them and making him suffer as he made them suffer by imprisoning them.

[blackovanossar]

Originally posted by NetMoverSitan:

Bari was likely the one that killed Angela in the ending of Library of Ruina where she killed Roland and the others and just sat there as the Library expended for 10 years after her Pyrrhic victory.

it IS the one that killed Angela in the alternate timeline. clearly Bari is immortal, it's obvious. now, how did she did that, and what's the common point between the one perfect book and a bloodfiend family... maybe the truth lie beyond the outskirt and in the ruin...

[NetMoverSitan]

Originally posted by Prabs Prettypaws:

Originally posted by NetMoverSitan:

Bari was likely the one that killed Angela in the ending of Library of Ruina where she killed Roland and the others and just sat there as the Library expended for 10 years after her Pyrrhic victory.

This is ridic even for you. Library of Ruina didn't take place 10 years before Limbus Company, much less during the 200+ years that passed after Bari dueled King Don.

Originally posted by kaymarciy:

From what I understand Bari just mentioned the existence of Relics. For no particular reasons. And he started collecting them, albeit all he ever got were fakes. Then Dulcinea made up the plan to remove Don from LaMancha by feeding him false info about the relic.

Incorrect. King Don finally found a real Relic after he and Sancho went on their adventure, but it turned out to be cursed, and the time he spent away from La Manchaland gave his offspring the time to gather their resolve and plot to overthrow him.

It's hinted at that being the case, besides...Jia Xichun mentioned that she was looking for a River that granted immortality, which was close to the River of Oblivion, which Don Quixote was lead to by her, it's not outside of possibility, the one that killed Angela in that bad ending has two melee weapons and has a resemblance to Bari...there's also the consideration that she's been delivering reading material for "Don Quixote" since delivering her to the lighthouse, 200 years and she hasn't aged a day. She even directed Vergilius to "Don Quixote". Bari is certainly no Bloodfiend.

[Prabs Prettypaws]

Originally posted by blackovanossar:

Originally posted by NetMoverSitan:

Bari was likely the one that killed Angela in the ending of Library of Ruina where she killed Roland and the others and just sat there as the Library expended for 10 years after her Pyrrhic victory.

it IS the one that killed Angela in the alternate timeline. clearly Bari is immortal, it's obvious. now, how did she did that, and what's the common point between the one perfect book and a bloodfiend family... maybe the truth lie beyond the outskirt and in the ruin...

Or "maybe" they have bugger-all to do with one another whatsoever.

[NetMoverSitan]

Originally posted by Prabs Prettypaws:

Originally posted by blackovanossar:

it IS the one that killed Angela in the alternate timeline. clearly Bari is immortal, it's obvious. now, how did she did that, and what's the common point between the one perfect book and a bloodfiend family... maybe the truth lie beyond the outskirt and in the ruin...

Or "maybe" they have bugger-all to do with one another whatsoever.

Iori is much older than she looks, likely due to rejuvenating treatments to delay her aging, but I doubt what she's using is THAT effective, it certainly wouldn't allow her to live over 200 years.

The River of Immortality is certainly something that would explain how Bari is alive after 200 years and delivered reading material for Don Quixote until she told Vergilius where she was...although considering that the price of the River of Oblivion is a vision of the future and insanity, this River of Immortality likely has a similar, yet different price, something like that doesn't come without a cost.

Jia Xichun is certainly looking for that and knows of its existence.

[kaymarciy]

Originally posted by blackovanossar:

Originally posted by kaymarciy:

From what I understand Bari just mentioned the existence of Relics. For no particular reasons. And he started collecting them, albeit all he ever got were fakes. Then Dulcinea made up the plan to remove Don from LaMancha by feeding him false info about the relic.

the problem is 1 : how Dulcinea made a cursed relic? 2 : how did she put it in this place?

I doubt that she made it. Even less that she personaly placed it somewhere. Relics appear to me as some artifacts predating Ruina being a ruina. She most likely obtained the information from somebody else, maybe from another Elder (as we know some of them were imprisoned underground or something). Now, it's unclear if the cursed mask looked like the real Helmet of Mambrino (as Don apparently had a book with its image) or it was made to look like that, but in the final end I still believe that Dulcinea is the real mastermind behind the treason and no third party. She is clearly playing the role of Antonia from the book who tried to bring Don to his senses.

Originally posted by blackovanossar:

3 : why did they said that they have waited long after they go to the 200years adventure, and only began eating humans after so long, soon before they came back?

The adventure of real Don did not last for 200 years. It was just some normal adventure of maybe a year or so that was required to reach the cave. The 200-hundred-years-adventure was Sancho going "for adventure" as real Don ordered her to. And during that time LaManchaLand was sealed and there were no humans to devour.

Originally posted by blackovanossar:

4 : and why did they only created masks for bloodfiend that they can't remove juuuuust like the one Donquixote wear at this moment.

for me the mask have created a chain reaction in the bloodline of DQ.

Barber said that masks were her idea. Her face is mutilated by Don and so according to Sanson she wanted to hide it behind the most beautiful masks. And afterwards she made masks for everybody. Two hundreds years of boredom...

[Prabs Prettypaws]

Originally posted by NetMoverSitan:

Originally posted by Prabs Prettypaws:

This is ridic even for you. Library of Ruina didn't take place 10 years before Limbus Company, much less during the 200+ years that passed after Bari dueled King Don.

It's hinted at that being the case

Here's a clue: Leviathan happening at all requires that the Angela ending of Ruina isn't canon, because in that ending, everyone who became a book stays a book. That Tomerry and Iori show up in Leviathan, along with the Molar Office crew showing up in S.E.A., proves that only the good ending is canon, so the Library continuing to expand for 10 years in the Angela ending means precisely nothing.

it's not outside of possibility

You always fall back on that tired excuse to justify any nonsense you pinch out. Anything is "possible" when you refuse to separate fact from headcanon.

the one that killed Angela in that bad ending has two melee weapons and has a resemblance to Bari

Angela called the book hunter "o child who had no name," and the book hunter stated that she'd followed Angela and killed her own comrades "knowing nothing." That they reused a character design from a non-canon ending isn't particularly noteworthy, The ending still isn't canon, and Bari having lost her name, her memories, and her understanding after walking the Earth for 200+ years, while still remembering to give Don letters, doesn't make a lick of sense.

Because the Angela ending isn't canon, and only the nameless bookhunter's appearance matches Bari's (while the important parts, such as affiliations and actions, absolutely don't), there's no point claiming they're one and the same.

...there's also the consideration that she's been delivering reading material for "Don Quixote" since delivering her to the lighthouse, 200 years and she hasn't aged a day. She even directed Vergilius to "Don Quixote". Bari is certainly no Bloodfiend.

Bari might very well be immortal, but that doesn't prove she was in the Angela ending. It's "possible," but so are a million other things.

[blackovanossar]

Originally posted by Prabs Prettypaws:

Originally posted by NetMoverSitan:

Here's a clue: Leviathan happening at all requires that the Angela ending of Ruina isn't canon, because in that ending, everyone who became a book stays a book. That Tomerry and Iori show up in Leviathan, along with the Molar Office crew showing up in S.E.A., proves that only the good ending is canon, so the Library continuing to expand for 10 years in the Angela ending means precisely nothing.

of course the Angela ending didn't happened, but canon it is. in another branch of reality it does have happened, and the one who killed angela is Bari. this is a 100% sure thing, they have the same appearance and it's virtuali impossible that PM decide to use someone like the "bookhunter" a character so powerful in the ending where angela became a god, in a game that talk about alternate reality in it's core concept, to finaly saying "nope, not the same guy, just a placeholder lol". that's stupide. and it indicate that in this branch of reality Bari IS interested by the perfect book. and probably the Bari in this reality, a reality that can acces the other reality, could be interested too.

[NetMoverSitan]

Originally posted by blackovanossar:

Originally posted by Prabs Prettypaws:

Here's a clue: Leviathan happening at all requires that the Angela ending of Ruina isn't canon, because in that ending, everyone who became a book stays a book. That Tomerry and Iori show up in Leviathan, along with the Molar Office crew showing up in S.E.A., proves that only the good ending is canon, so the Library continuing to expand for 10 years in the Angela ending means precisely nothing.

of course the Angela ending didn't happened, but canon it is. in another branch of reality it does have happened, and the one who killed angela is Bari. this is a 100% sure thing, they have the same appearance and it's virtuali impossible that PM decide to use someone like the "bookhunter" a character so powerful in the ending where angela became a god, in a game that talk about alternate reality in it's core concept, to finaly saying "nope, not the same guy, just a placeholder lol". that's stupide. and it indicate that in this branch of reality Bari IS interested by the perfect book. and probably the Bari in this reality, a reality that can acces the other reality, could be interested too.

Yes, the River of Immortality that Jia Xichun mentioned would have to have had something to do with Bari being around for over 200 years, not unless she cloned herself when near death and transferred her mind into that body, she was certainly around long enough to deliver reading material for that blonde lunatic.

In the Angela Pyrrhic Victory ending, she was there to kill Angela, but in the main timeline, she had other things to take care of, one of them was leading Vergilius to where he could find Don Quixote.

[Minh]

Originally posted by blackovanossar:

can someone tell me WHO really tell Don quixote (the silver one) to go take this mask?

Yes.

[PURPLE TRAIN]

Originally posted by NetMoverSitan:

Bari was likely the one that killed Angela in the ending of Library of Ruina where she killed Roland and the others and just sat there as the Library expended for 10 years after her Pyrrhic victory.

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