need advice for my bleed "team"

[Eyesuu]

if i'm using pequod ish, pequod heathcliff, barber outis as a base should i use ring yi sang or pequod yi sang for that team?

[Birp]

Ring Yisang.

[Terratrox]

Ring Yi Sang, Kurokumo/R&P Ryoshu, One Who Grips Faust.

[Eyesuu]

thanks

[Wang]

Ring sang all the way
use pequod yi sang if you are doing a bleed+poise team in MD

[koimeiji]

Ringsang.
If you have him, Hook Hong Lu is a must for any non-MD bleed team (and even more fantastic in MD).

Likewise, if you have Sanguine Desire, use Liu Rodya (fuels it really well and applies burn for Ringsang to use)

Finally, NFaust. She's just pretty good all around, whistles gives you great SP recovery, and...fluid sac.

[Astra]

Doesn't pequod ishmael have anti synergy with the other pequods? I read she is worse with them, better with blade lineage or other teams.

[Birp]

Originally posted by Astra:

Doesn't pequod ishmael have anti synergy with the other pequods? I read she is worse with them, better with blade lineage or other teams.

No, she has synergy with them.

It's just that Pequod Yisang--even with the synergy he has with Captain Ishmael--is still worse than other units you can use instead of him.

Another example is BL Sinclair gets significant buffs in a BL team, but even then he is still worse than Cinq Sinclair in that same team.

[Astra]

Originally posted by Birp:

Originally posted by Astra:

Doesn't pequod ishmael have anti synergy with the other pequods? I read she is worse with them, better with blade lineage or other teams.

No, she has synergy with them.

It's just that Pequod Yisang--even with the synergy he has with Captain Ishmael--is still worse than other units you can use instead of him.

Another example is BL Sinclair gets significant buffs in a BL team, but even then he is still worse than Cinq Sinclair in that same team.

So its more of a case that there are better options to use with her than a full pequod squad? Gotcha.

[Prabs Prettypaws]

Originally posted by Astra:

Doesn't pequod ishmael have anti synergy with the other pequods? I read she is worse with them, better with blade lineage or other teams.

Where'd you read that, the Fandom wiki?

She's good on any team with a lot of Pride (because funny S2) and/or Envy (because Envy S1) skills. So's Pequod Heathcliff. It's really just Pequod Yi Sang that underperforms compared to other options.

Throw the two of them on a Bleed team with Middle Don, R/Middle Meursault, and RE&P Ryoshu and you'll be ready for shenanigans. You can throw in Grip Faust with Hex Nail too for even greater chaos.

Or you can throw 'em into a BL or Bloise team for that matter. I can't help you with that world, though, you're on your own.

[Astra]

Originally posted by Prabs Prettypaws:

Originally posted by Astra:

Doesn't pequod ishmael have anti synergy with the other pequods? I read she is worse with them, better with blade lineage or other teams.

Where'd you read that, the Fandom wiki?

She's good on any team with a lot of Pride (because funny S2) and/or Envy (because Envy S1) skills. So's Pequod Heathcliff. It's really just Pequod Yi Sang that underperforms compared to other options.

Throw the two of them on a Bleed team with Middle Don, R/Middle Meursault, and RE&P Ryoshu and you'll be ready for shenanigans. You can throw in Grip Faust with Hex Nail too for even greater chaos.

Or you can throw 'em into a BL or Bloise team for that matter. I can't help you with that world, though, you're on your own.

No, I don't look at the wiki for stuff like that. I saw it on perdwyn and I think a few threads/reddit posts.

Editting:
"Now the bad things. While Captain Ishmael inflicts bleed and burn, the application is negligible and is there only to activate Mirror Dungeon gifts. While Captain Ishmael is leading the Pequod crew, her support for them is finicky. Pequod Yi Sang and Heathcliff do damage on their Envy skills, why is Ishmael Skill 1 buffing their defense? In case they lose with those skills? Why is Skill 2 buffing Pequod Crew Skill 1 that you preferably do not want to clash with due to them rolling 10 at the base? And their damage won't be even that impressive when those skills will come from an assist attack. Ironically, Captain Ishmael has better synergy with non-Pequod IDs than with her crew. Like W Ryoshu (amazing Pride S2 and more charge from S1), Cinq Sinclair (another amazing Pride S2, fast making Ishmael buffs more reliable, more haste from S1), Middle Don (Synergy with her Counter + Ishmael S1, and great Pride S3)."

This is what I saw on prydwen. Granted I take this with a grain of salt cause I frankly don't care one way or the other (Only have pequod yi sang.)

[Prabs Prettypaws]

Originally posted by Astra:

Originally posted by Prabs Prettypaws:

Where'd you read that, the Fandom wiki?

She's good on any team with a lot of Pride (because funny S2) and/or Envy (because Envy S1) skills. So's Pequod Heathcliff. It's really just Pequod Yi Sang that underperforms compared to other options.

Throw the two of them on a Bleed team with Middle Don, R/Middle Meursault, and RE&P Ryoshu and you'll be ready for shenanigans. You can throw in Grip Faust with Hex Nail too for even greater chaos.

Or you can throw 'em into a BL or Bloise team for that matter. I can't help you with that world, though, you're on your own.

No, I don't look at the wiki for stuff like that. I saw it on perdwyn and I think a few threads/reddit posts.

The Fandom wiki is full of crap because the admins moved to wiki.gg (and gave everyone permission to vandalize the Fandom wiki), but Reddit and Prydwen are even worse.

It's true that Captain Ishmael doesn't apply a lot of Bleed or Burn, but that's not really what she's for. Her S2 is a force multiplier, both her S1 and S2 buff allies, and her guard gives SP. When you play to those strengths instead of trying to fit her into The Meta™, she's an excellent ID.

[Astra]

Originally posted by Prabs Prettypaws:

Originally posted by Astra:

No, I don't look at the wiki for stuff like that. I saw it on perdwyn and I think a few threads/reddit posts.

The Fandom wiki is full of crap because the admins moved to wiki.gg, but Reddit and Prydwen are even worse.

It's true that Captain Ishmael doesn't apply a lot of Bleed or Burn, but that's not what she's good for. Her S2 is a force multiplier, both her S1 and S2 buff allies, and her guard gives SP. When you play to those strengths instead of trying to fit her into The Meta™, she's an excellent ID.

Oooh, I see. I kinda look around the internet when finding out what things go where sometimes. I'm not really all that great with team building. I don't really own her so I looked at it once, shrugged and never looked back at it again till this conversation.

Also yes... Prydwen sucks. They should just stick with the thing they are good at... Genshin- Imcrap. God rest those poor souls who play that.

[Prabs Prettypaws]

Originally posted by Astra:

Originally posted by Prabs Prettypaws:

The Fandom wiki is full of crap because the admins moved to wiki.gg, but Reddit and Prydwen are even worse.

It's true that Captain Ishmael doesn't apply a lot of Bleed or Burn, but that's not what she's good for. Her S2 is a force multiplier, both her S1 and S2 buff allies, and her guard gives SP. When you play to those strengths instead of trying to fit her into The Meta™, she's an excellent ID.

Oooh, I see. I kinda look around the internet when finding out what things go where sometimes. I'm not really all that great with team building.

The general rule of thumb is to put IDs together that can help each other trigger their conditionals and passives.

For status-focused IDs, you put the same status together.
For resonance-focused IDs, you put IDs with a lot of the same sin affinities together.
For teams built around a damage type, you put IDs with a lot of attacks that deal that type of damage.
If you have IDs/EGOs that can apply suitable buffs or debuffs for a team (eg. Seven Ryoshu for Slash teams, or Middle Don/Middle Meursault/Hex Nail Faust for Envy teams), throw them in too.

But it's a skill, not a talent. The most important thing is to experiment and find what works for you.

I don't really own her so I looked at it once, shrugged and never looked back at it again till this conversation.

Also yes... Prydwen sucks. They should just stick with the thing they are good at... Genshin- Imcrap. God rest those poor souls who play that.

Eh, they already sold their souls long ago.

[Minh]

Originally posted by Eyesuu:

if i'm using pequod ish, pequod heathcliff, barber outis as a base should i use ring yi sang or pequod yi sang for that team?

Former.

[Minh]

Originally posted by Astra:

Doesn't pequod ishmael have anti synergy with the other pequods? I read she is worse with them, better with blade lineage or other teams.

Yes. She doesn't.