unbreakable coins are just better unclashable skills

[aegis]

i feel like they're a lot more fair

[Ekimmak]

It depends on the skill.

I certainly didn't think "The Finale" was fair when it came rushing in with 3 heads from -28 SP versus a 45 SP tails.

[Sergalius]

the finale should force you to use evade and heal+ chain system.
after all it is 80 level BF.
They are WAW monsters at best

[Prabs Prettypaws]

They're no more or less fair than unclashables. Just a different flavor of punishment for not paying attention (and for not using evade IDs exclusively).

...sure is funny how certain people who insist clashing was overpowered before unbreakable coins were added never have anything to say about evade. Or about Dieci IDs being able to gain tons of shield. Really makes you think.

[enzmagus2025]

Originally posted by Ekimmak:

It depends on the skill.

I certainly didn't think "The Finale" was fair when it came rushing in with 3 heads from -28 SP versus a 45 SP tails.

even if finale did kill you'd have 6 sinners spare anyway no? (there is also the decision of using defence skills if you're not sure of the clash. or using healing ego on id's that outspeed her, another pretty simple strategic thing is using an ego that inflicts paralysis, for instance legerdemain , then an ego with high base power like sunshower outis, and pretty much guarantee you outclash it)

[Prabs Prettypaws]

Originally posted by enzmagus2025:

Originally posted by Ekimmak:

It depends on the skill.

I certainly didn't think "The Finale" was fair when it came rushing in with 3 heads from -28 SP versus a 45 SP tails.

even if finale did kill you'd have 6 sinners spare anyway no? (there is also the decision of using defence skills if you're not sure of the clash. or using healing ego on id's that outspeed her, another pretty simple strategic thing is using an ego that inflicts paralysis, for instance legerdemain , then an ego with high base power like sunshower outis, and pretty much guarantee you outclash it)

100% right, and these are pretty basic strats, too. Some of us don't have Legerdemain or Sunshower, but that only means we have to use different EGOs instead.

The fact is we already had all the tools needed to deal with unbreakable coins, Are they annoying? Sure, unavoidable damage is always annoying. It feels cheap and lazy in any game it appears in. But at least you don't have to play a full evade team just to sometimes maybe avoid eating the full one-sided damage from unbreakable attacks the way you do with unclashable ones.

...actually, come to think of it, I'm not sure now—do unclashables even get the one-sided bonus, since they can't be clashed in the first place?

[Slopcoded Normiecore]

it's bs. You can deal with unclashables. You can't deal with unbreakable. In fact, the strat against unbreakable is to not interact with them at all (looking at you 150% bonus damage on clash, finale).

[Prabs Prettypaws]

Originally posted by hipocrisia games:

it's bs. You can deal with unclashables. You can't deal with unbreakable. In fact, the strat against unbreakable is to not interact with them at all (looking at you 150% bonus damage on clash, finale).

So you literally only read the text for a single unbreakable attack.

Here's the strat for unbreakables. Write this down. Carve it into your soul.
- Redirect them as far downward as you can. You want as many Sinners getting their attacks in before the unbreakable goes off as you can to avoid them getting staggered before they have a chance.
- If it's an AoE, try to have anyone who's not clashing it defend, especially if they have evades (and don't bother if they have counters).
- Try to inflict some combination of Power Down, Offense Level Down, Paralysis, and/or significant sanity loss on the enemy before the attack goes off, thereby increasing the odds of winning the clash and further reducing the damage its unbreakable coins can deal.
- Win the clash so that all the unbreakable coins are fixed to their minimum power afterward.
- Alternatively, just try to evade, like you already do for unclashables.

[DoT]

Originally posted by hipocrisia games:

it's bs. You can deal with unclashables. You can't deal with unbreakable. In fact, the strat against unbreakable is to not interact with them at all (looking at you 150% bonus damage on clash, finale).

Evade

[Ekimmak]

Originally posted by enzmagus2025:

Originally posted by Ekimmak:

It depends on the skill.

I certainly didn't think "The Finale" was fair when it came rushing in with 3 heads from -28 SP versus a 45 SP tails.

even if finale did kill you'd have 6 sinners spare anyway no? (there is also the decision of using defence skills if you're not sure of the clash. or using healing ego on id's that outspeed her, another pretty simple strategic thing is using an ego that inflicts paralysis, for instance legerdemain , then an ego with high base power like sunshower outis, and pretty much guarantee you outclash it)

You'd think that, wouldn't you? I don't know really get what happened, but it was a pretty sound crushing defeat on who was left.

[Astra]

Originally posted by Sergalius:

the finale should force you to use evade and heal+ chain system.
after all it is 80 level BF.
They are WAW monsters at best

To be fair, wasn't Elena a SOTC ranked enemy?

Most bloodfiends are pretty dangerous and can take down a grade 1 fixer no trouble. Hell, Elena wiped out a color fixer.

Nosferatu was a WAW so nevermind my first comment.

[DoT]

Originally posted by Astra:

Most bloodfiends are pretty dangerous and can take down a grade 1 fixer no trouble. Hell, Elena wiped out a color fixer.

Nosferatu was a WAW so nevermind my first comment.

Elena didn't single-handedly take out a the colored fixer, she and the esnemble mopped the floor with them along with a branch of hana fixers, it was a collective fight. Not a 1v1. Not to mention that her group had a colored fixer of their own.

And if were talking about a certain other duo, They were a part of a Grade 1 Office at the time. They weren't the same strength from when they were turned into colored fixers. So as strong as she was, she wasn't at the level of being able to beat a colored fixer in a 1v1.

I wouldn't say that "most bloodfiends" can take down a grade 1 fixer no trouble either. Only like the 2nd kindred and maybe 3rd kindred at full power could probably actually take them on, and even then, i still think they would only rank around the top % of grade 1 fixers. Just like how they only sent two grade 1 fixers to go take care of Elena.

So bloodfiends are indeed powerful and dangerous, but you are giving them too much credit here. Cassetti was struggling against our group after all. Sure we are stronger than when we were in the past, but ricardo can most likely still solo us, as he was merely toying with us. Ricardo would be able to destroy cassetti no problem. Heck, he'd probably solo that whole train situation as well. And he's not even at the ranks of a greater sister / brother from his faction.

[Astra]

Originally posted by DoT:

Originally posted by Astra:

Most bloodfiends are pretty dangerous and can take down a grade 1 fixer no trouble. Hell, Elena wiped out a color fixer.

Nosferatu was a WAW so nevermind my first comment.

Elena didn't single-handedly take out a the colored fixer, she and the esnemble mopped the floor with them along with a branch of hana fixers, it was a collective fight. Not a 1v1. Not to mention that her group had a colored fixer of their own.

And if were talking about a certain other duo, They were a part of a Grade 1 Office at the time. They weren't the same strength from when they were turned into colored fixers. So as strong as she was, she wasn't at the level of being able to beat a colored fixer in a 1v1.

I wouldn't say that "most bloodfiends" can take down a grade 1 fixer no trouble either. Only like the 2nd kindred and maybe 3rd kindred at full power could probably actually take them on, and even then, i still think they would only rank around the top % of grade 1 fixers. Just like how they only sent two grade 1 fixers to go take care of Elena.

So bloodfiends are indeed powerful and dangerous, but you are giving them too much credit here. Cassetti was struggling against our group after all. Sure we are stronger than when we were in the past, but ricardo can most likely still solo us, as he was merely toying with us. Ricardo would be able to destroy cassetti no problem. Heck, he'd probably solo that whole train situation as well. And he's not even at the ranks of a greater sister / brother from his faction.

To be fair, my knowledge is limited by what I've read. I suck at library of ruina and can't get too far because of my stubbornness (I am addicted to the zwei pages.) So my bad. Though, whats the deal with nosferatu? I read about them a few times so far.

[DoT]

Originally posted by Astra:

To be fair, my knowledge is limited by what I've read. I suck at library of ruina and can't get too far because of my stubbornness (I am addicted to the zwei pages.) So my bad. Though, whats the deal with nosferatu? I read about them a few times so far.

Lol, unlike limbus, we unfortunately can't uptie lower tier cards and units to make them viable as the game progresses to end game rip.

However, I'd recommend installing a mod that gives you pages that roll 99, simply to enjoy the whole story. There are a lot of interesting characters, and the story is told in such a great way, that a simple recap / summary can't show off.

It also has a lot off cool non-story related Characters you can fight as well that you might not know about. For Instance, Bamboo-hatted kim was literally just some random bozo you could fight in the game. No story involved, and there are plenty of others in the same category that aren't story related, but have cool designs and characters i'd love to see in future events / Walpurgisnacht nights. If the game feels to hard, or you're to stubborn about removing your zwei pages lol, I highly recommend doing the above, as the story itself, and seeing all the minor / non-story related characters are a treat in themselves. You can picture it as a visual novel at that point instead and not have to play through a 100+hours and go throuhg a lot of trial and errors just to experience it. And you can always go back and try the fights regularly if you want to give them a shot

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As for Nosferatu

He's a WAW level abnormality you fight for one of the floors like forsaken murderer who's cards you unlock to buff your team throughout fights. There really isn't much else to him nor lore besides that. He's just brought up a lot because people like him and this canto is Bloodfiend related.

[H11DN-D4NG3R]

I think ''The Finale'' was kind of bugged. probly due to the fact the Boss got ''Increase Coin power passive'' Unbreakable Coins suppost to be Fixed to 1. Probly a Unintentional stuff.