Spoilers for Canto 6 bosses

[OpaltheBarista]

What are the chances of some of these guys getting nerfed? Because jesus christ the passive sanity gain, especially in the Fraudcliff fight is just way too overbearing to deal with even with a Sinking build I put together while experimenting

I still have yet to beat Fraudcliff and I've gotten so close to the end but I keep getting ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over by him deciding to hyperfocus on Heathcliff and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ killing him before I can stagger him. Its just not fun anymore and its poisoning the well for my enjoyment of this canto

[Reptiloid]

Hah, I knew you'd come. To request help once more.

But mocking aside, you're being mislead, he is quite beatable in numerous ways. Just borrow a lvl 40-45 t4 Hoboclif/Pequod and use your favorite status effect. I suggest running bleed with Pequod crew, nail faust, middle don, kk Ryoshu, and maybe TinTang Hong. Have a middle meursault on support to mitigate sanity loss on Heartcliff. You will get sifficient ego rez to use Faust's default ego early to have high enough sanity, and since he's a single target, he blees quite well.

Or you can go sinking, or burn. Plenty of options, realy. Just remember to clash with Heatcliff, since Evil Heatcliff gets bind every time he loses. Or have some other status to keep him slow, crows eye, chains of others, rossete desire, whatever.

[H11DN-D4NG3R]

The entire point of the fight is that he Always targets heartcliff,
Expecially the final part, using specific skill that Only targets heartcliff(you have to clash that, shouldnt be a issue with the +6 boost)
Other then that, Some luck,

Tho the only thing i would argue needs nerfing is his starting +15 sanity,
Other then that its fine, it is possible with a 40 level crew,

[OpaltheBarista]

Originally posted by Orliminecraft:

Its canto 6 dude if you need this to get nerfed the future cantos do not hold well for you
this game oughta be difficult vro I do not want to steamroll the canto without losing once

I'm not asking to be able to steamroll the fights lol, I think the most glaring issue is the passive sanity gain for fraudcliff. Doesn't make total sense, especially from a story standpoint, bros not right in the head

[SpearOfLies]

Originally posted by OpaltheBarista:

Originally posted by Orliminecraft:

Its canto 6 dude if you need this to get nerfed the future cantos do not hold well for you
this game oughta be difficult vro I do not want to steamroll the canto without losing once

I'm not asking to be able to steamroll the fights lol, I think the most glaring issue is the passive sanity gain for fraudcliff. Doesn't make total sense, especially from a story standpoint, bros not right in the head

Neither was Ahab but nobody complain about that making any sense. A little late to complain about that.

Aside from that sanity is just the name that they decide to give to mechanic. The sanity bar doesn't exactly mean how sane they are but how focus they are. High sanity mean they are very focus to their task that raise their performance while low sanity mean they are very mentally unstable. While mentally unstable=crazy, crazy =/= mentally unstable.

[Mirth]

Originally posted by OpaltheBarista:

What are the chances of some of these guys getting nerfed? Because jesus christ the passive sanity gain, especially in the Fraudcliff fight is just way too overbearing to deal with even with a Sinking build I put together while experimenting

I'm geniunely curious about how you're doing it if your sinking team can't keep the boss down. My own junky attempt at sinking, that is Dieci Rodya and Hong Lu, Molar Ishi, QQ Cliff, Regret Faust ans Zwei Greg, bullied him to the point of S1's being consistently dominating. The boss just couldn't do anything throughout the whole fight.

My only real advice I could give blindly would be to make sure you are taking favourable clashes with your Heathcliff. The boss has a passive that debuffs him when losing a clash to Heathcliff. So bringing QQ Cliff and giving him extra slot for better skill selection and potentially more sanity from more clashes may actually be a better choice here than bringing Foxcliff with one slot.

[Daliena]

Hard to say too much without knowing what sort of sinking team you have.

Personally I did it with

Pequodcliff (I don't have anything invested into Sadcliff and didn't wanna throw a pile of xp tickets at him for one level, maybe if similar situations come up later in part 3..)
R Ishmael
Butler Faust
Butler Outis
Spicebush Yi Sang
Dieci Rodya

All level 40 except the butlers who were 42 and 45 respectively I believe (PM gib new xp luxcavation pls)

The first turn is the worst, as you need to make damn sure that Heathcliff doesn't botch his clash, but if you can get through that, then you're draining Fraudcliff of Sanity from losing a clash to Heathcliff, and from not dealing damage to Heathcliff that round, and from Sinking. Meanwhile your own team's Sanity is building up, so it should be able to snowball from there.

[Yumri]

I spent a good 2-3 hours on 6-34 and ultimately won out with my crappy team (my only team tbh) consisting of BL Meursault, Faust, Yi Sang + R Ish, Cinqlair and a borrowed level 45 Suncliff. The support ID was the only one that was level 45, all my other IDs were between 40 and 44.

For me at least, the fight hinged on the first round, if I lost even a single clash, the rest of the fight was pretty much doomed to failure because of his sanity gains. My big break came when I decided to swap out my level 44 Ahab Ish for my level 40 R Ish, the extra clashing power and tiny bit of sinking was enough of a difference to eventually win out the first round and give my sinners a chance to win their clashes going forward.

Also, try to use Meursault's Chains towards the end of the fight, when the "fixed target" nuke is coming for your Heath. Eventually the stars will line up (with a bit of luck) and you will beat him down. If a fairly new player like me with my limited roster of ID's and EGO's can do it, I don't see any reason why other's can't!

[Minh]

Originally posted by OpaltheBarista:

What are the chances of some of these guys getting nerfed?

0 chance. If you can beat Dongbaek, Ahab, Ricardo, Kim, & et cetera, you can do this.

[Sergalius]

Originally posted by OpaltheBarista:

Originally posted by Orliminecraft:

Its canto 6 dude if you need this to get nerfed the future cantos do not hold well for you
this game oughta be difficult vro I do not want to steamroll the canto without losing once

I'm not asking to be able to steamroll the fights lol, I think the most glaring issue is the passive sanity gain for fraudcliff. Doesn't make total sense, especially from a story standpoint, bros not right in the head

He is in berserk mode.
KILL HF BY ANY COST.
it should be 45 sanity. He is not panicking, he wants you dead.

[Sergalius]

People forgot that sinking team in md have crazy relics and you can just triple sinking gain and have a lot of stuff with it.
Sinking team is stronger than ever. They just dont have mist or bleed damage on coin( op stuff)

[Reptiloid]

Originally posted by Sergalius:

People forgot that sinking team in md have crazy relics and you can just triple sinking gain and have a lot of stuff with it.
Sinking team is stronger than ever. They just dont have mist or bleed damage on coin( op stuff)

Poise still better

[H11DN-D4NG3R]

Because Poise got basically an ENTIRE team to use poise for. with full synergy to Poise.(xcept faust. lol)

[Reptiloid]

Originally posted by H11DN-D4NG3R:

Because Poise got basically an ENTIRE team to use poise for. with full synergy to Poise.(xcept faust. lol)

Yes, that's why It is still better. And also because poise as a mechanic is stronger. Big orang numbers.

[Sergalius]

Originally posted by Reptiloid:

Originally posted by H11DN-D4NG3R:

Because Poise got basically an ENTIRE team to use poise for. with full synergy to Poise.(xcept faust. lol)

Yes, that's why It is still better. And also because poise as a mechanic is stronger. Big orang numbers.

Poise got 3 tier 4 relic and broken team which have synergy for ID. NOT FOR STATUS
But you are not right btw. Sinking team now has something like this with Echoes of manor

[Reptiloid]

Originally posted by Sergalius:

Originally posted by Reptiloid:

Yes, that's why It is still better. And also because poise as a mechanic is stronger. Big orang numbers.

Poise got 3 tier 4 relic and broken team which have synergy for ID. NOT FOR STATUS
But you are not right btw. Sinking team now has something like this with Echoes of manor

I meant poise as a team, the BL to be exact. I measure by the speed and ease of clearing the MD. Big orang numbers still outclash and outdamage everything, even bloody mist.