Esgoo tier list

[Birp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAGl-McOFrU&ab_channel=ESGOO

Thoughts?

(criteria: ignoring MD and support passives)

[Reptiloid]

Originally posted by Orliminecraft:

Originally posted by Reptiloid:

Is he like, only english-speaking content creator that does stuff for this game?

The only real one without an accent, the rest are vtubers and thus are already bad

Never realy understood the appeal of vtubers. Considering that in 50% cases there is a >30 y.o. basement inhabitant behind their cute anime faces that got his hands on a decent voicemorpher.

[RedCobra]

i will put spice bush yi sang at Solid A , because very weak skill 1 for a pierce damage and long build up self tremor that 80 % lose clash or long wait skill 3 to pop out then go AOE. ( if you get skill 2 next turn ).

what make yi sang strong is because stupid overpowered furry E.G.O.

without it just regular ID that not special & not very powerful with very mid damage AOE.

yeah i know MD just can buy skill trade skill 1 to skill 3 to fix it, but heh story mode or Railway you can bring something else.

again what make yi sang Op, is his E.G.O. so spice Bush Yi Sang tier A for me. he is kinda " Over Rated ".

eh im not gonna put diecchi ID that hi because you need to discard skill by using guard for insight every single one of them.

imagine there is 6 diecchi ID, that gona be guard clicking hell.

[Angela]

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

That's still a perilous prospect though'cause there have been three RRs and each one has had different rules, also availability is a thing.
Things like the RR2 buffs will often have a warping effect on viability, and factors like RR3 dropping the fixed team aspect changes the rules as well.
RR is not a viable reference because RR is not one consideration; you'll have different values for RR1, RR2 and each of the segments of RR3, and a significant chunk of the playable roster didn't exist for the earlier RRs.

Well that why I only mention RR3 since a lots of ids right now not even exist back then, beside what else there to consider if you taking out RR? there are no other hard content beside it, and I'm not taking on a hypothetical opponent that doesn't even exist yet.

If we talking boss in story mode, some team who relied on rng can still perform worse as getting in and out of story missions consumes energy, unlike RR where you are free to reload 20 times to get the perfect set for skill and 2-3 turn boss (looking at you Talisman sinclair).

Story mode can also have bigger issue compare to RR as in story, boss fight can lean to just 1 status such as Canto 6 boss (all of them) are really weak to sinking, at least RR have multiple theme per RR to allow some variations.

Or maybe Lux? I don't know who is the king and queen of exp Lux but Nclair is SSS tier in most thread lux, Follow by D Rodya because she is free and no brainer win for Bull.

[76561199131858533]

Wow i did not see that N Corp Mersault put At Rank C Un Fairly just because skill 1 bad.

N Corp Mersault Can Tank Ahab Trio Easily and yet Esgoo put him very low tier list.

since Mersault Has E.G.O To increase Clash Power By +2. N Corp Mersault Deserve Hi Rank Solid A For a Tank that can fight Piercing.

i don't have K Corp Hong Lu or Diecci ID, He is My life Saver at Chapter 6.

what the heck is this ? N corp Mersault is Solid TANK ID, he can self Heal and Give both Bind and Attack down From Skill 3.

and don't forget if he keep guarding he stack those defence buff like Solid Brick, N Corp mersalt should be Around A tier.

if you keep saying bad because skill 1 ? they same as other S tier with bad S1.

this is based favoritism, not tierlist.

[DEMOPLS]

Originally posted by Evilmael.:

Wow i did not see that N Corp Mersault put At Rank C Un Fairly just because skill 1 bad.

N Corp Mersault Can Tank Ahab Trio Easily and yet Esgoo put him very low tier list.

since Mersault Has E.G.O To increase Clash Power By +2. N Corp Mersault Deserve Hi Rank Solid A For a Tank that can fight Piercing.

i don't have K Corp Hong Lu or Diecci ID, He is My life Saver at Chapter 6.

what the heck is this ? N corp Mersault is Solid TANK ID, he can self Heal and Give both Bind and Attack down From Skill 3.

and don't forget if he keep guarding he stack those defence buff like Solid Brick, N Corp mersalt should be Around A tier.

if you keep saying bad because skill 1 ? they same as other S tier with bad S1.

this is based favoritism, not tierlist.

no

[Angela]

Originally posted by Evilmael.:

Wow i did not see that N Corp Mersault put At Rank C Un Fairly just because skill 1 bad.

N Corp Mersault Can Tank Ahab Trio Easily and yet Esgoo put him very low tier list.

since Mersault Has E.G.O To increase Clash Power By +2. N Corp Mersault Deserve Hi Rank Solid A For a Tank that can fight Piercing.

i don't have K Corp Hong Lu or Diecci ID, He is My life Saver at Chapter 6.

what the heck is this ? N corp Mersault is Solid TANK ID, he can self Heal and Give both Bind and Attack down From Skill 3.

and don't forget if he keep guarding he stack those defence buff like Solid Brick, N Corp mersalt should be Around A tier.

if you keep saying bad because skill 1 ? they same as other S tier with bad S1.

this is based favoritism, not tierlist.

Most Tanks (by most I mean everyone except Dieci and Pequod and maybee Zwei Greg) even including Kcorp have 1 very small problem

They're either Mid to uterlly useless and are dead weight who do next to no damage and only usefull in some niches situations where you couldn't just win a clash with your others ids for some reason.

[SmallGespenst]

Originally posted by Angela:

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

That's still a perilous prospect though'cause there have been three RRs and each one has had different rules, also availability is a thing.
Things like the RR2 buffs will often have a warping effect on viability, and factors like RR3 dropping the fixed team aspect changes the rules as well.
RR is not a viable reference because RR is not one consideration; you'll have different values for RR1, RR2 and each of the segments of RR3, and a significant chunk of the playable roster didn't exist for the earlier RRs.

Well that why I only mention RR3 since a lots of ids right now not even exist back then, beside what else there to consider if you taking out RR? there are no other hard content beside it, and I'm not taking on a hypothetical opponent that doesn't even exist yet.

If we talking boss in story mode, some team who relied on rng can still perform worse as getting in and out of story missions consumes energy, unlike RR where you are free to reload 20 times to get the perfect set for skill and 2-3 turn boss (looking at you Talisman sinclair).

Story mode can also have bigger issue compare to RR as in story, boss fight can lean to just 1 status such as Canto 6 boss (all of them) are really weak to sinking, at least RR have multiple theme per RR to allow some variations.

Or maybe Lux? I don't know who is the king and queen of exp Lux but Nclair is SSS tier in most thread lux, Follow by D Rodya because she is free and no brainer win for Bull.

well the issue with even "okay, it's a tier list for RR3" is "which section of RR3?" are you going to only consider the Spiral that heavily favours status effects and favour IDs that'll be bad in the multi-wave mob fights? because even if you bring things down to just RR3 there's still enough variability that you'll be recommending IDs that are only useful in some of the nodes. being able to change teams means you'd need four lists to be accurate.
this is the problem with tier lists, there are such different conditions between a multi-part boss, a single part boss, and a regular fight that you have to erase so many circumstances that you're left with a spectacular array of stat sticks. it's all hypothetical and can't be anything else without losing what semblance of accuracy it pretends to have.

[SpearOfLies]

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

well the issue with even "okay, it's a tier list for RR3" is "which section of RR3?" are you going to only consider the Spiral that heavily favours status effects and favour IDs that'll be bad in the multi-wave mob fights? because even if you bring things down to just RR3 there's still enough variability that you'll be recommending IDs that are only useful in some of the nodes. being able to change teams means you'd need four lists to be accurate.
this is the problem with tier lists, there are such different conditions between a multi-part boss, a single part boss, and a regular fight that you have to erase so many circumstances that you're left with a spectacular array of stat sticks. it's all hypothetical and can't be anything else without losing what semblance of accuracy it pretends to have.

You are arguing that tier list generalize too much but that is unavoidable as they are a rough summary about how good and bad is a unit.
Like rupture is amazing for segment 2 enough to say they are the S tier of that segment but they struggle on section 1 and 3 so IDs that actually struggle lose points.
Them being a rough estimation also make them easier to make. Expecting to rank every single IDs accurately for every single segment is an absurd and extremely time consuming.
Having some standards/metric of evaluation is important for ranking stuff. If you rank them just by raw numbers, their performance may or may not be favored by current content or circumstances. Something that have solid numbers may have all the current content heavily against it. Something that doesn't have good numbers but the circumstances make them the only option available for the niche the content require it.

[e-dood]

Originally posted by Orliminecraft:

Originally posted by Reptiloid:

Is he like, only english-speaking content creator that does stuff for this game?

The only real one without an accent, the rest are vtubers and thus are already bad

Pretty sure everyone has an accent.

[Eleazar]

Pridwen 2.0

[FlintX]

lmao.
Just got Ryoshu Red Eyes EGO on the very second ticket I've spent in the game, 2 minutes before maintance dropped.
I started playing this yesterday and I'm feeling lucky already.