Liu Mersault vs Middle Mersault Burn Team

[Oodanna]

cant really test this since i dont have liu mersault leveled up, but im wondering how people feel about using liu mersault (as a deployed sinner) for a burn team, or use middle mersault for his support passive in a liu team for his sp regen

Edit: thought of this a bit late, but middle mersault support passive can also cover for ego usage, especially the new ones that make allies lose low amounts of sp over multiple turns

[DoT]

I bring Liu Meursault for fun in mirror dungeons in burn teams, just cause i like having full teams, but no other reason really. He's not very note worthy outside of having the burn fusion ego gift + activating regret's passive.

But if you are benching him instead, +1 burn from attacks is hardly note worthy. So i'd rather bring literally anyone else, even base Meursault having a 10% damage reduction is more useful valuable.

[Angela]

I used Regret Faust instead, she has Sloth which is lacking in burn team and has wrath affinity for wrath reson
ofc that mean you wont have N Faust passive but so far my burn team can live without her.

[Atma]

The only man good enough for a Burn team is Dawn Sinclair. Be a sexist pig otherwise and bring only women in other 5 slots - the 00 male Liu are trash. You can still use their support passives though.

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I used Regret Faust instead, she has Sloth which is lacking in burn team and has wrath affinity for wrath reson

This man gets it. Although I use Regret Faust for Tremor teams in Mirror Dungeon.

[Oodanna]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Atma:

The only man good enough for a Burn team is Dawn Sinclair. Be a sexist pig otherwise and bring only women in other 5 slots - the 00 male Liu are trash. You can still use their support passives though.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Angela:

I used Regret Faust instead, she has Sloth which is lacking in burn team and has wrath affinity for wrath reson

This man gets it. Although I use Regret Faust for Tremor teams in Mirror Dungeon.

god they really are bad, i blame how early they were added, but their numbers for coins are just garbage. at least gregor has a good passive, and hong lu has a decent enough passive, but mersault is just bad on so many levels

[Angela]

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Atma:

The only man good enough for a Burn team is Dawn Sinclair. Be a sexist pig otherwise and bring only women in other 5 slots - the 00 male Liu are trash. You can still use their support passives though.

This man gets it. Although I use Regret Faust for Tremor teams in Mirror Dungeon.

god they really are bad, i blame how early they were added, but their numbers for coins are just garbage. at least gregor has a good passive, and hong lu has a decent enough passive, but mersault is just bad on so many levels

Meursault's only advantage is that he has Regret EGO
although liu Meursault is so bad, Regret will only buff him to an average level of 00 by current standards, i mean he has 14 coin power S2..and that is after buff from Regret.

[SpearOfLies]

It very depend what you want from the ID.
Sault is mostly for the ego option and by ego options I mean spam egos as that is his only strong point. I don't think I need to explain Chains of other. Capote Sault is a lot of burn potency which Burn team really want and it's a one of strongest at clashing EGO and it only cost 5 sins.
As identity Liu inflict burn stuff which actually synergy with the team but Middle have better speed which allow you to actually try to intercept with EGOs. Some may argue that Middle also have better numbers for clashing but without an envy team, his skill 3 is very miserable. Honestly you can just play W or R sault and perform better than both.
Liu sault support passive is nice for Burn team. As I said burn team really want potency that is extra burn potency. It may no be much but it may allow you to trigger effect on certain cases. It's kind of useless for mirror dungeon as you have ego gift that overshadow it.
Middle sault support passive is kind of no needed unless we get another dawn office identity.

[Snek!]

Middle Meursault support passive isn't that great honestly, the two IDs that need Sanity the most and Sinclair and Outis and neither of them will be effected by it.

[Oodanna]

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Middle Meursault support passive isn't that great honestly, the two IDs that need Sanity the most and Sinclair and Outis and neither of them will be effected by it.

as true as that may be liu mersault just sucks, mersault has some of the most unfortunate IDs, and yet some of the best E.G.O

[Reptiloid]

You don't use Meur in burn team, period. You give him a middle id and make him sit on the bench for sanity regen, bringing him up just in case you need his Chains. This is with other male sinners Liu, as they are more useful with their passives. Burn team standard duty is Nclar/Philclair + the burn girls, and fill the 6th slot with whatever. I prefer regret Faust, but if you're a masochist you can add Gregor, since his 3rd gives some sloth.

[1162706830]

TBH I'm just filling burn team with all-round good ids.

Dieci Hong Lu provides extra gloom to active base Yi Sang's passive for Philip Sinclair, and
more wrath also benefits the whole team. And he is just good by himself. Hook Hong Lu is also okay if you prefer Grip Faust's sp heal passive.

Other no-burn-synergy but naturally good and passive fueling ids include Bulter Ryoshu, W Ryoshu, Molar Outis, Grip Faust.

Just bring Liu Ish, Liu Rodya, Sinclair. Other slots can be very flexible.

[Angela]

Diposting pertama kali oleh 1162706830:

TBH I'm just filling burn team with all-round good ids.

Dieci Hong Lu provides extra gloom to active base Yi Sang's passive for Philip Sinclair, and
more wrath also benefits the whole team. And he is just good by himself. Hook Hong Lu is also okay if you prefer Grip Faust's sp heal passive.

Other no-burn-synergy but naturally good and passive fueling ids include Bulter Ryoshu, W Ryoshu, Molar Outis, Grip Faust.

Just bring Liu Ish, Liu Rodya, Sinclair. Other slots can be very flexible.

a few things:
>Pclair has S1 gloom for Base Yi Sang
>Base HL is needed because he has passive SP healing just like Base Yi Sang for Pclair, but unlike Yi Sang, HL passive will activated at turn start making him more usefull for winning a clash
>Liu Ryoshu is for Glut generation since no other id in the burn team has it, of course you can replace her with W if you don't care about Glut

[Snek!]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Oodanna:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Snek!:

Middle Meursault support passive isn't that great honestly, the two IDs that need Sanity the most and Sinclair and Outis and neither of them will be effected by it.

as true as that may be liu mersault just sucks, mersault has some of the most unfortunate IDs, and yet some of the best E.G.O

Yep, I think his support passive is better then middle's though.

[8GB VRAM OP CARDS IN 2025, LOL!!]

Yeah, funnily enough the Male Liu are Garbage Burn IDs for Clashing and in General. They would just bring Liushu instead for both Burn Egos anyway which are great.

I'd use support to buff Liushmael, Liudion, Liushu and Phillipclair instead. SP Batteries possibly to maintain Phillipclair.

NFaust is just too good of a General Use ID to this Day.

[Hel Spites]

Liu teams don't really struggle with Sp and at the moment so there's no real value in benching middle Meursault, we don't really have a good 6th burn unit. Of the male Liu units, Meursault's probably the best just by virtue of the fact that regret can make his clashes less bad.

Even if you were to run a 5 man liu team and just give an extra slot to someone, liu wouldn't really benefit much from having middle benched since the ID that would benefit the most from his sp, philipclair, isn't part of an association or a team so he wouldn't get middle meur's sp.

[1162706830]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Angela:

Diposting pertama kali oleh 1162706830:

TBH I'm just filling burn team with all-round good ids.

Dieci Hong Lu provides extra gloom to active base Yi Sang's passive for Philip Sinclair, and
more wrath also benefits the whole team. And he is just good by himself. Hook Hong Lu is also okay if you prefer Grip Faust's sp heal passive.

Other no-burn-synergy but naturally good and passive fueling ids include Bulter Ryoshu, W Ryoshu, Molar Outis, Grip Faust.

Just bring Liu Ish, Liu Rodya, Sinclair. Other slots can be very flexible.

a few things:
>Pclair has S1 gloom for Base Yi Sang
>Base HL is needed because he has passive SP healing just like Base Yi Sang for Pclair, but unlike Yi Sang, HL passive will activated at turn start making him more usefull for winning a clash
>Liu Ryoshu is for Glut generation since no other id in the burn team has it, of course you can replace her with W if you don't care about Glut

4 gloom for base Yi Sang is slow since S1 is not favored, especially when Philip has highest priority to clash, so some extra gloom is very welcomed.

5 sloth for base Hong Lu is almost impossible since none of main burn character has sloth. Just forget it.

As for glut resource... Why do you want that?