The ESGOO curse is real

[Demonking]

They JUST released a video ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on krilling hong lu for being an understandably ♥♥♥♥ ego outside of its passive, which could actually be useful in one of two positions: Long matches against at least 4 waves to regenerate lots of sanity, and bosses that constantly summon new minions like the clam.

Now they unvail our star ID is going to burn centered, so run Leu which might include Hong lu, though I will be the first to admit he does replace them on the team as teal source. On top of that, that boss will probably have minion summoning mechanics, which will allow that ego to turn each of those minions into a quick burst on 9 sanity so you can ego as much as you want.

[Dangeki]

what is ESGOO

[Ortaign]

Originally posted by Dangeki:

what is ESGOO

He's a cool Youtuber known for complaining about something in Limbus Company, then a month after Project Moon makes a change that renders the complaint outdated

[zerotak112233]

Originally posted by Dangeki:

what is ESGOO

oh welcome to Limbus im see you start play it hope you enjoy it so far :/

[Out Of Ideas]

It'd odd how I see no one mentioning a very practical usage of SODA - the sin resistances. Every Hong Lu EGO is fatal to wrath. Soda is neutral to it. It is literally the only Hong Lu EGO that isn't fatal to Wraith, and it's 100% saved my runs in Solo Hong Lu MDs, especially to that stupid floor 3 chicken (oh and did I mention BULL?)

edit: forgot about Effervescent Corrosion, but benching Dimension Shredder for that EGO is one of the worst choices you can make lmao. There's way less opportunity cost to bench Rosaete Desire than Hong Lu's only really good EGO that isn't his zayin one.

[SeasonedSoulsBorne]

Originally posted by Dangeki:

what is ESGOO

a big yapper

[Angela]

Originally posted by Out Of Ideas:

It'd odd how I see no one mentioning a very practical usage of SODA - the sin resistances. Every Hong Lu EGO is fatal to wrath. Soda is neutral to it. It is literally the only Hong Lu EGO that isn't fatal to Wraith, and it's 100% saved my runs in Solo Hong Lu MDs, especially to that stupid floor 3 chicken (oh and did I mention BULL?)

Solo is niche thing, most people here don't bother to do solo runs
and if they do solo run with hong lu, its prob gonna be Kong Lu so they most likely wont care if he dies 1 or 2x per fight.

[Dangeki]

Originally posted by zerotak112233:

Originally posted by Dangeki:

what is ESGOO

oh welcome to Limbus im see you start play it hope you enjoy it so far :/

thank u i was already a lobcorp fan so I decided to give it a try and its fun

[infantMajesty]

Liu Hong rolls are garbage, and Gregor doesn't apply count.
My burn runs are with Liu Rodya, Ishmael, Meursault and Ryoshu (with ut4 4MF for the extra burn bonus damage), as well as Der Outis and Dawn Sinclair (though he sucks right now without next week's buffs).

[Demonking]

Originally posted by infantMajesty:

Liu Hong rolls are garbage, and Gregor doesn't apply count.
My burn runs are with Liu Rodya, Ishmael, Meursault and Ryoshu (with ut4 4MF for the extra burn bonus damage), as well as Der Outis and Dawn Sinclair (though he sucks right now without next week's buffs).

He actually doesn't suck if you build your team around him. I can routinely get him back up to 45 sanity quickly, the only thing the buffs do is make them more viable for MD because they'll just be resetting back to 25 instead of 10.

[Angela]

Originally posted by Demonking:

the only thing the buffs do is make them more viable for MD because they'll just be resetting back to 25 instead of 10.

His biggest buff is not his sanity, but his passive changes, now after next week, he no longer needs a burn team to function, you can slap him to any team with some wrath generation (and base Yi Sang passive at min) and he will do well.

[Demonking]

Originally posted by Angela:

Originally posted by Demonking:

the only thing the buffs do is make them more viable for MD because they'll just be resetting back to 25 instead of 10.

His biggest buff is not his sanity, but his passive changes, now after next week, he no longer needs a burn team to function, you can slap him to any team with some wrath generation (and base Yi Sang passive at min) and he will do well.

When did he need a burn team? He already already produced 90% of the burn on the team. Yes, it took a minute, but using them in normal content I've had absolutely 0 of the problems other people have.

[Angela]

Originally posted by Demonking:

Originally posted by Angela:

His biggest buff is not his sanity, but his passive changes, now after next week, he no longer needs a burn team to function, you can slap him to any team with some wrath generation (and base Yi Sang passive at min) and he will do well.

When did he need a burn team? He already already produced 90% of the burn on the team. Yes, it took a minute, but using them in normal content I've had absolutely 0 of the problems other people have.

Right now, he need 3 wrath reson for his up to +3 coin power in ego form, did you missed that?

[Demonking]

Originally posted by Angela:

Originally posted by Demonking:

When did he need a burn team? He already already produced 90% of the burn on the team. Yes, it took a minute, but using them in normal content I've had absolutely 0 of the problems other people have.

Right now, he need 3 wrath reson for his up to +3 coin power in ego form, did you missed that?

Yeah, that's not hard at all. Nor does it need a burn team to happen. Burn team reasonates with it since they have 2 other passives with the same condition, but it isn't an a-res and no part of passive specifies res with burn producing skills. If you're expecting a passive to not require some team building to fire off then you're playing the game wrong. Even in cases like sunshower heathcliff, who only needs 3 envy to activate their passive, they still end up only being able to get it online by turn 3 if they're you're only envy source.

That said, I'm not going to pretend like switching it to 5 resources isn't a buff in some ways. It becomes more consistent, after you get it. Though I'll admit not being able to trigger increased burn count from turn 1 is going to be something I'll miss. One of my favorite openings is get a wrath res going and use his S2 so they have burn for the rest of the fight.

[Angela]

Originally posted by Demonking:

Yeah, that's not hard at all. Nor does it need a burn team to happen. Burn team reasonates with it since they have 2 other passives with the same condition, but it isn't an a-res and no part of passive specifies res with burn producing skills. If you're expecting a passive to not require some team building to fire off then you're playing the game wrong. Even in cases like sunshower heathcliff, who only needs 3 envy to activate their passive, they still end up only being able to get it online by turn 3 if they're you're only envy source.

Mate, burn team have tons of Wrath affinity (i dont care with burn team Wrath reson, they have lots of Wrath is what i care), which is good since he need 3 Wrath reson everytime he used skill, even in burn team sometimes I must used defensive skill since there are not enough Wrath reson, again he need 3 Wrath reson everytime he attack.
what other team have that many Wrath affinity? certainly not charge, or poise, or bleed and sinking, I do not play rupture and Tremor but by the look of it, they arent much better,

[Demonking]

Originally posted by Angela:

Originally posted by Demonking:

Yeah, that's not hard at all. Nor does it need a burn team to happen. Burn team reasonates with it since they have 2 other passives with the same condition, but it isn't an a-res and no part of passive specifies res with burn producing skills. If you're expecting a passive to not require some team building to fire off then you're playing the game wrong. Even in cases like sunshower heathcliff, who only needs 3 envy to activate their passive, they still end up only being able to get it online by turn 3 if they're you're only envy source.

Mate, burn team have tons of Wrath affinity (i dont care with burn team Wrath reson, they have lots of Wrath is what i care), which is good since he need 3 Wrath reson everytime he used skill, even in burn team sometimes I must used defensive skill since there are not enough Wrath reson, again he need 3 Wrath reson everytime he attack.
what other team have that many Wrath affinity? certainly not charge, or poise, or bleed and sinking, I do not play rupture and Tremor but by the look of it, they arent much better,

I'm going to be honest, I still don't get what your issue is. If you want to build a team around him then just build a team with a lot of S1 and S2 wrath skills to get wrath res going. It's literally that simple. The same applies to literally any other character with a resonance passive. If you don't want to build a team around him/fit him in a team that plays to his strengths and just toss him in a team? Then ya gotta accept his isn't going to be as optimal. No Sanity support? Well most of his stuff isn't going to work as well and he'll take longer ego/it'll last shorter. Even with the various buffs. Not a lot of wrath on the team? Well, his passive will take forever to come online. I mean it'll at least WORK now regardless of what team you're on, but he's not like N-clair who's just slightly less unstable than usual sitting on any team. Nor are they like Cinqclair, who's gimmick is actually pretty universal.

Every aspect of how they were/are 'bad' was intentional. The Res passive was a nerf to force you team build around him in some regard. The sanity, though a bit much given how mirror dungeon works, was meant to force you to prepare at least one method of sanity restoration for the team to get him online quickly again. It is literally no different than other past characters like lawyer heathcliff or flower yi sang that require a team to see their full gimmicks through. In fact it was better than them, because the only thing you actually needed was wrath resonance and a little bit of sanity management.