battle with Kurokumo clan captain on the 4th and 5th floors of hard dungeon

[MrK1r1to]

How to go through this fight. if you touch him, he just kills the character. going into defense is not an option, he kills your character on the second turn. Killing his minions quickly is also not an option -60% damage gain.
https://postimg.cc/t1S0M8Vv

[Minh]

Floor 4: Kill his allies fast because Bloody Mist. Use DEFENSE Skills if they target him. Luck is needed. Try to kill as many Allies as possible in TURN 1 before he uses Counter in TURN 2.

Floor 5: Wave 1: Clash if needed, DEFENSE Skills if Unopposed, stall as long as possible. Wave 2: Same as Floor 4 except he uses Counter instantly.

[A5G_Reaper]

Dont touch him if he's countering. The arrows will show which sinner targets who, click the defense skill of those that will clash or attack him.

[MrK1r1to]

Originally posted by Minh:

Floor 4: Kill his allies fast because Bloody Mist. Use DEFENSE Skills if they target him. Luck is needed. Try to kill as many Allies as possible in TURN 1 before he uses Counter in TURN 2.

Floor 5: Wave 1: Clash if needed, DEFENSE Skills if Unopposed, stall as long as possible. Wave 2: Same as Floor 4 except he uses Counter instantly.

The first turn I go on defense. on the second turn if I go on defense I will lose two Persons he has just a crazy dmg which even defense can not be tanked. hit him will die alone. kill his servants is impossible. they have a buff at -60% to the damage taken.

[Kildread]

Minh, my man --- check his screenshot, he doesn't have Bloody Mist, or the team to proc it.

Originally posted by MrK1r1to:

https://postimg.cc/t1S0M8Vv

Unsure there is a way to guarantee a win from the setup you got in your screenshot. You got some evade IDs, but I recall him being able to outroll evades.

If he targets a counter-user that can actually tank the hit, you can use that defense skill to inflict some damage (His counter slot doesn't activate on that), but that -60% damage you got going is just going to be piddly damage.

You don't seem to have much in the way of static damage stacks (Like bleed/rupture/burn). Those Charge-envy nukes ain't going to be much help unless they line up perfectly to kill him before he counters.

Note that you can get lucky... I don't know what dictates his usage of his counter move. The first time I fought him, he kept using it every turn from Turn 2 and on.

...then on the attempt I won it, he never used his counter once all 7 turns the battle took. It was a Floor 4 node, if I recall correctly, floor 5 like you... and the previous wave of 13-15 evage slot mooks kinda make retrying a lot unappealing.

Frankly, I'd just forfeit that run, you got the majority of the rewards from it since you reached floor 5.

[Iggy the Unwise]

Originally posted by MrK1r1to:

Originally posted by Minh:

Floor 4: Kill his allies fast because Bloody Mist. Use DEFENSE Skills if they target him. Luck is needed. Try to kill as many Allies as possible in TURN 1 before he uses Counter in TURN 2.

Floor 5: Wave 1: Clash if needed, DEFENSE Skills if Unopposed, stall as long as possible. Wave 2: Same as Floor 4 except he uses Counter instantly.

The first turn I go on defense. on the second turn if I go on defense I will lose two Persons he has just a crazy dmg which even defense can not be tanked. hit him will die alone. kill his servants is impossible. they have a buff at -60% to the damage taken.

Try to dodge if you have a sinner with it. If that fails, well you got yourself a valuable lesson on why you should carefully choose the enemy buffs and not pick the EGO gift that you like (also headstrong is kinda a death sentence with counters).

[Iggy the Unwise]

Wait, you have 3 dodgers and a BL meur(just clash with his S3 and watch captain melt)

[Minh]

Originally posted by MrK1r1to:

Originally posted by Minh:

Floor 4: Kill his allies fast because Bloody Mist. Use DEFENSE Skills if they target him. Luck is needed. Try to kill as many Allies as possible in TURN 1 before he uses Counter in TURN 2.

Floor 5: Wave 1: Clash if needed, DEFENSE Skills if Unopposed, stall as long as possible. Wave 2: Same as Floor 4 except he uses Counter instantly.

The first turn I go on defense. on the second turn if I go on defense I will lose two Persons he has just a crazy dmg which even defense can not be tanked. hit him will die alone. kill his servants is impossible. they have a buff at -60% to the damage taken.

Next time you fight him: I recommend Bloody Mist. Bloody Mist: If use Bleed Skills, +2 Coin Power & + 100% Damage.

I think Floor 4 is harder because I retried a few times after he killed someone despite DEFENSE Skills. I used Red Eyes (Open) to Stagger him before he kill.

Therefore, I also recommend some Slash E.G.O. with many Atk Weights in TURN 1 & TURN 2.

[Damoncles]

Originally posted by MrK1r1to:

https://postimg.cc/t1S0M8Vv

Turn 1 hit him with Rime Shank to set his (And everyone else's) human sanity to -45.
From there he has 5% chance to win a coinflip.

[Iggy the Unwise]

Originally posted by Iggy the Unwise:

Wait, you have 3 dodgers and a BL meur(just clash with his S3 and watch captain melt)

And you have 3 healing egos. You can do it.

[Iggy the Unwise]

Originally posted by Yukks:

Originally posted by MrK1r1to:

https://postimg.cc/t1S0M8Vv

Turn 1 hit him with Rime Shank to set his (And everyone else's) human sanity to -45.
From there he has 5% chance to win a coinflip.

Overclock it btw.

[Minh]

Originally posted by Kildread:

Minh, my man --- check his screenshot, he doesn't have Bloody Mist, or the team to proc it.

Originally posted by MrK1r1to:

https://postimg.cc/t1S0M8Vv

Unsure there is a way to guarantee a win from the setup you got in your screenshot. You got some evade IDs, but I recall him being able to outroll evades.

If he targets a counter-user that can actually tank the hit, you can use that defense skill to inflict some damage (His counter slot does activate on that), but that -60% damage you got going is just going to be piddly damage.

You don't seem to have much in the way of static damage stacks (Like bleed/rupture/burn). Those Charge-envy nukes ain't going to be much help unless they line up perfectly to kill him before he counters.

Note that you can get lucky... I don't know what dictates his usage of his counter move. The first time I fought him, he kept using it every turn from Turn 2 and on.

...then on the attempt I won it, he never used his counter once all 7 turns the battle took. It was a Floor 4 node, if I recall correctly, floor 5 like you... and the previous wave of 13-15 evage slot mooks kinda make retrying a lot unappealing.

Frankly, I'd just forfeit that run, you got the majority of the rewards from it since you reached floor 5.

I know. I recommend it if he fights them again. In this situation, I don't think he can win this unless he's extremely lucky. Forfeit might be the only way.

[Minh]

Originally posted by Yukks:

Originally posted by MrK1r1to:

https://postimg.cc/t1S0M8Vv

Turn 1 hit him with Rime Shank to set his (And everyone else's) human sanity to -45.
From there he has 5% chance to win a coinflip.

I may be wrong but I think he uses Counter instantly in Floor 5. You must hit him again to trigger Sinking.

[Iggy the Unwise]

Originally posted by Minh:

Originally posted by Yukks:

Turn 1 hit him with Rime Shank to set his (And everyone else's) human sanity to -45.
From there he has 5% chance to win a coinflip.

I may be wrong but I think he uses Counter instantly in Floor 5. You must hit him again to trigger Sinking.

No, I can say with confidence that it is random on any floor (He can do it even on the first).

[MrK1r1to]

Any damage to it is a guaranteed dead sinner. counter spawns on turn 1.

[Damoncles]

Originally posted by Minh:

Originally posted by Yukks:

Turn 1 hit him with Rime Shank to set his (And everyone else's) human sanity to -45.
From there he has 5% chance to win a coinflip.

I may be wrong but I think he uses Counter instantly in Floor 5. You must hit him again to trigger Sinking.

In which case RIP.