What to spend shard boxes on for newer players?

[Yumri]

I came back to the game a little over a month ago, after only having played Limbus Co. for about a week or so last March before putting it down due to RL. So far, I managed to get almost all Season 3 ID's from pulls (except Mid Don), spending shards only on BL Meursault and the new Gregor EGO. Having completed the BP fully, I am now wondering what to spend my roughly 400 shard boxes on before maintenance next week, as I have plenty of gaps in ID's, and a crap ton of missing EGO.

Right now my main team consists of BL Meursault, Faust, Yi Sang and Don, along with Pequod Ishmael & Heath (sometimes swapped out for R Heath). All of these IDS, plus Twinhook Gregor, are level 40, and all except Gregor, the 2 Heaths & Don are uptie 4.

I have managed to complete RR3 with this team (took 97 turns lol), and also fully cleared my first MDH last night (no fusion gifts), so now I am thinking of trying out a new team for the next season, but don't really know where to start building from.

I'm tempted to build a burn team, as I managed to pull the 2 new Liu ID's, but I am missing all the burn EGO's + Liu Ishmael, and I hear that burn is still not that great even with the new additions.

Lastly, here is my current ego shard count, in case it might help:

Yi Sang: 52
Faust: 11
Don Q: 231
Ryoshu: 85
Heath: 233
Ishmael: 193
Rodion: 95
Outis: 130

Soooo, any advice or recommendations?

[Birp]

I would go for Middle Don, since she's since fun to use though not quite meta,

And either Liu Ishmael or Cinq Sinclair.

Liu Ish for building a burn team later, Cinq Sinclair cuz he's just a very strong id + pairs well with BL Meursault and Ahabmael in a pride team.

[Reptiloid]

Originally posted by Iggy the Unwise:

Originally posted by Reptiloid:

Right now, don't do anything. New season is coming, and it will purge half of your shards, and bring some new ids. Might as well wait several weeks to see where the season is going in terms of ids. This was a poise season, for example.

Burn team is still meh. So if you want something powerful, I'd suggest going charge, tis probably the second best right now.

Or he can shard some of the seasonal event ids and EGOs. But yeah unless he wants that, its better to try rolling some 10 pulls in the next season and sharding/upting any good ids then.

And it's not like grabbing one seasonal ego will drastically change thigs for him. Hell, the one ego for this season is obviously blind obsession. Second one is the WAW Gregor thing. Heat's Budha isnt much, and Don's pagoda ego is just a damn filler. I don't think we had anything else that didn't come from bp this season. Maybe Lantern, if it was this season, I don't remember.

[Yumri]

Originally posted by 1162706830:

You have a good start, and should shard a good 000 for each of sinner.

I would suggest Cinq Sinclair first, for he is a nice pierce id and fits in pride team well.
W Corp Ryoshu is a cool 000 with pride skill2 as well.
Any of Hong Lu's 000 ids is quite good. Dieci, Tingtang or K Corp, pick one as you like.

Nice, I actually managed to pull Cinqlair on the Ishmael Banner from the week before, and I have a Dieci Hong Lu sitting on the bench untouched as I had no real place for him on my current team. With those 2 slots filled, I guess all I have to worry about is grabbing W Ryo and W Don.

For Outis, I am not far off from 150 shards to grab her Cinq ID, is that ID a good pickup for the BL team + Ish, or any combination of the ID's I have? Other than that, I plan on grabbing her Der Freischütz ID on the next Walpurgis.

[Yumri]

Originally posted by SpearOfLies:

Rabbit Cliff and W Don are workable Id at uptie 3
Rabbit Cliff almost get nothing from uptie 4
W Don's kit got smoother which is very nice but she work fine as uptie 3
Reindeer Ishmael need uptie 4 to be good.

You may consider some healing EGO instead if you didn't have any. If you plan to use both W Don and W Ryoshu, Fluid sack it's not so hard to feed.
You can also consider uptie 4 Blind obsession ishmael.

Yeah I probably will not be uptying R Heath for a while, and while I thought about uptie 4 Blind Obsession, I need Ishmael's shards to grab one of her ID's, since 40 pulls on her banner didn't get me anything new (except Cinclair). Also, I forgot to mention that I dispensed Fluid Sac sometime after completing RR3 as I kept seeing it mentioned on these boards. Thanks for the advice though!

[Damoncles]

I'd say you should save your pulls for Walpurgisnacht but it mgiht be too late now. Its in like 3 weeks.

[Yumri]

Originally posted by Yukks:

I'd say you should save your pulls for Walpurgisnacht but it mgiht be too late now. Its in like 3 weeks.

I'v got enough lunacy for about 15 ten pulls at the moment. I imagine over the next 3 weeks I can get up to about 18, maybe 19. That should be enough no?

Assuming I don't pull on the new banner coming up. I completely regret pulling on the weekly "targeted extractions," I have yet to get a single targeted ID from them.

[Angela]

Originally posted by Yumri:

Originally posted by Yukks:

I'd say you should save your pulls for Walpurgisnacht but it mgiht be too late now. Its in like 3 weeks.

I'v got enough lunacy for about 15 ten pulls at the moment. I imagine over the next 3 weeks I can get up to about 18, maybe 19. That should be enough no?

Assuming I don't pull on the new banner coming up. I completely regret pulling on the weekly "targeted extractions," I have yet to get a single targeted ID from them.

depends on your luck, last time I got everything in 7 ten pulls so it can be enough
20 ten pulls is so that we can hit safety net and get guarantee pull in case if luck wasnt in your their side.

anyway you will gain more lunacy and ticket from new BP (free or buy new BP), and the last Walpurgisnacht also have event for you to gain more lunacy and ticket, so you might can do get 20 ten pulls by the time the next Walpurgisnacht come out
even if you dont have enough, Walpurgisnacht will last for 2 week (just like regular banner) so you will have time to gain more lunacy.

[SpearOfLies]

If you want tips for building toward any type of strategy, feel free to ask. We can share how expensive it is and how strong is in the current meta.

[Yumri]

Originally posted by SpearOfLies:

If you want tips for building toward any type of strategy, feel free to ask. We can share how expensive it is and how strong is in the current meta.

Sure, what would you recommend for a good charge team with W Ryo as the centre piece, and what are the necessary EGO's to make it work.

Also, having seen the new ID's for Season 4 so far, I am wondering if Tremor and Sinking teams are going to be getting some love? Are these 2 worth building into based on the sneak peaks were getting at the moment?

Originally posted by Angela:

anyway you will gain more lunacy and ticket from new BP (free or buy new BP), and the last Walpurgisnacht also have event for you to gain more lunacy and ticket, so you might can do get 20 ten pulls by the time the next Walpurgisnacht come out
even if you dont have enough, Walpurgisnacht will last for 2 week (just like regular banner) so you will have time to gain more lunacy.

Ahh ok, so there is a mini-event to go with it where we can get deca tickets and shard boxes?

[1162706830]

Originally posted by Yumri:

Nice, I actually managed to pull Cinqlair on the Ishmael Banner from the week before, and I have a Dieci Hong Lu sitting on the bench untouched as I had no real place for him on my current team. With those 2 slots filled, I guess all I have to worry about is grabbing W Ryo and W Don.

For Outis, I am not far off from 150 shards to grab her Cinq ID, is that ID a good pickup for the BL team + Ish, or any combination of the ID's I have? Other than that, I plan on grabbing her Der Freischütz ID on the next Walpurgis.

Cinq Outis is good in pride team. She is a tanky unit with 3 pride skill1 and high-rolling skill23 (18 and 22), and provides precious gloom&lust resource for Fluid Sack. A pride 18 evade is outstanding too. Though her damage isn't very good so I usually replace her with more aggressive id. Well she is a 00 after all.

[Angela]

Originally posted by Yumri:

Sure, what would you recommend for a good charge team with W Ryo as the centre piece, and what are the necessary EGO's to make it work.

Ahh ok, so there is a mini-event to go with it where we can get deca tickets and shard boxes?

For the last Walpurgisnacht yes there are mini event for those, but unsure if there are will be new event for the next Walpurgisnacht, though it should be the case, anyway for Charge team:

Charge team pretty much only limited by how much certain sins afinity you want or damage type or which Ego and status you want to use, basically you can just throw random powerful id's into the team and they will prob make a good team
For example, if you want charge team with high rolling chasher then you can do smt like this:
>Rabbit heath, W Ryo, W Don, R Ishmael, Cinq Sinclair, Tingtang Hong Lu

Take note that not only they all have high coin numbers, but they also cover every sins afinity decenly well (lowest one is sloth but even then you will have 3 sloth), and now you have a strong charge team

Or perhaps you want charge team with slash attack since W Ryo gonna be your pillar and she has strong slash skill as well slash fragility with her skill 2, then personaly from me it will be smt like this:
>Rabbit heath, W Ryo, W Don, Dieci Hong Lu, W Meursault, Zwei Gregor

Some note for team above, Rabbit heath is all pierce attack but his S3 is broken (use his base Ego to guarantee 6 speed) so he fit into this team, W Meursault need U4 (asap) and is not very strong as an Id but usefull because he has slash fragility and defense level down, and you can use Don Telepole to quicly fills his charge. and just like the first team, you cover every sins afinity decenly well (lowest one is 3)

As for nesasary ego that you want to use for Charge team, technically there are none as they can function without ego but here some noteworthy ego at least for all the ids i mention above:

Don Telepole : Kinda unessesary in MD because you have so many charge gain ego giff, but very usefull outside MD
Bodysack : For Rabbit Heath S3 (its broken)
Ryoshu base Ego : U4 forest of the flames, thats 1 to 2 fragility next turn
Ryoshu 4MF : Corroded version can give up to 9 more power to her coin (9 because its 3 attack weight and each hit can give you 3 coin power) so W Ryoshu can do up to 40 coin power with DDEDR
Ishmael Blind Obssesion : SP heal and can buff party members, take note that its on hit effect will scale to attack weight as well if she can hit multiple targets
Hong Lu Dimension Shredder : Fragiles, you can use Don Telepole to give him full charge for corroded version
Sinclair Lantern : healing (on hit effect so will scales with attack weight) and have 5 defense level down for corroded version
Gregor Legerdemain : Cheap AoE and has Paralyze
Meursault Pursuance : For healing if you have no Lantern
Meursault Regret : can boost his coin power for the rest of the fight

[Iggy the Unwise]

Originally posted by Angela:

For the last Walpurgisnacht yes there are mini event for those, but unsure if there are will be new event for the next Walpurgisnacht, though it should be the case, anyway for Charge team:

Charge team pretty much only limited by how much certain sins afinity you want or damage type or which Ego and status you want to use, basically you can just throw random powerful id's into the team and they will prob make a good team
For example, if you want charge team with high rolling chasher then you can do smt like this:
>Rabbit heath, W Ryo, W Don, R Ishmael, Cinq Sinclair, Tingtang Hong Lu

Take note that not only they all have high coin numbers, but they also cover every sins afinity decenly well (lowest one is sloth but even then you will have 3 sloth), and now you have a strong charge team

Or perhaps you want charge team with slash attack since W Ryo gonna be your pillar and she has strong slash skill as well slash fragility with her skill 2, then personaly from me it will be smt like this:
>Rabbit heath, W Ryo, W Don, Dieci Hong Lu, W Meursault, Zwei Gregor

Some note for team above, Rabbit heath is all pierce attack but his S3 is broken (use his base Ego to guarantee 6 speed) so he fit into this team, W Meursault need U4 (asap) and is not very strong as an Id but usefull because he has slash fragility and defense level down, and you can use Don Telepole to quicly fills his charge. and just like the first team, you cover every sins afinity decenly well (lowest one is 3)

As for nesasary ego that you want to use for Charge team, technically there are none as they can function without ego but here some noteworthy ego at least for all the ids i mention above:

Don Telepole : Kinda unessesary in MD because you have so many charge gain ego giff, but very usefull outside MD
Bodysack : For Rabbit Heath S3 (its broken)
Ryoshu base Ego : U4 forest of the flames, thats 1 to 2 fragility next turn
Ryoshu 4MF : Correded version can give up 9 more power to her coin (9 because its 3 attack weight and each hit can give you 3 coin power) so W Ryoshu can do 40 coin power with DDEDR
Ishmael Blind Obssesion : SP heal and can buff party members, take note that its on hit effect will scale to attack weight as well if she can hit multiple targets
Hong Lu Dimension Shredder : Fragiles, you can use Don Telepole to give him full charge for corroded version
Sinclair Lantern : healing (on hit effect so will scales with attack weight) and have 5 defense level down for corroded version
Gregor Legerdemain : Cheap AoE and has Paralyze
Meursault Pursuance : For healing if you have no Lantern
Meursault Regret : can boost his coin power for the rest of the fight

A tiny addendum for above teams, please consider swapping anyone other than R Heath and W Don and Ryo to some speedy Faust id (L corp remnabt works fine) for the simple reason of her possessing a Hex Nail EGO (If Faust goes faster than Heath she can add 40% more damage for his S3 and 10% more for other envy nukes).

[1162706830]

I should probably mention that two 000 Outis ids, Molar Outis and Butler Outis will be available once S4 come. First being a S2 tremor blunt id and second being a S4 sinking blunt id.

I don't think MB Outis is a very good one. She heavily relies a full burn team to work. Above two are just good by themselves.

And since pride team almost contains no blunt ids, you should build a completely new team against blunt weak enemy.

[Yumri]

Originally posted by Angela:

Originally posted by Yumri:

Sure, what would you recommend for a good charge team with W Ryo as the centre piece, and what are the necessary EGO's to make it work.

Ahh ok, so there is a mini-event to go with it where we can get deca tickets and shard boxes?

For the last Walpurgisnacht yes there are mini event for those, but unsure if there are will be new event for the next Walpurgisnacht, though it should be the case, anyway for Charge team:

Charge team pretty much only limited by how much certain sins afinity you want or damage type or which Ego and status you want to use, basically you can just throw random powerful id's into the team and they will prob make a good team
For example, if you want charge team with high rolling chasher then you can do smt like this:
>Rabbit heath, W Ryo, W Don, R Ishmael, Cinq Sinclair, Tingtang Hong Lu

Take note that not only they all have high coin numbers, but they also cover every sins afinity decenly well (lowest one is sloth but even then you will have 3 sloth), and now you have a strong charge team

Or perhaps you want charge team with slash attack since W Ryo gonna be your pillar and she has strong slash skill as well slash fragility with her skill 2, then personaly from me it will be smt like this:
>Rabbit heath, W Ryo, W Don, Dieci Hong Lu, W Meursault, Zwei Gregor

Some note for team above, Rabbit heath is all pierce attack but his S3 is broken (use his base Ego to guarantee 6 speed) so he fit into this team, W Meursault need U4 (asap) and is not very strong as an Id but usefull because he has slash fragility and defense level down, and you can use Don Telepole to quicly fills his charge. and just like the first team, you cover every sins afinity decenly well (lowest one is 3)

Thank you, your write-up is most helpful. I think I am going to grab W Ryo, R Ishmael and W Don, and build a team with Rabbit Heath and Cinqlair. Just not sure who my last option is going to be as I won't have the shards for Tingtang HL. I do have Dieci HL though, maybe I'll throw him in? Or W Faust, as she is already uptie 3, and I have Fluid Sac available for her.

Originally posted by 1162706830:

I should probably mention that two 000 Outis ids, Molar Outis and Butler Outis will be available once S4 come. First being a S2 tremor blunt id and second being a S4 sinking blunt id.

I don't think MB Outis is a very good one. She heavily relies a full burn team to work. Above two are just good by themselves.

And since pride team almost contains no blunt ids, you should build a completely new team against blunt weak enemy.

You make some good points, especially about my lack of answers to blunt weakness, as those are the nodes and bosses that I struggle the most with my current team.

That being said, I am still dead set on grabbing MB Outis for two reasons:
Firstly, it is a limited ID that I will have to wait another season for if I don't grab it on the next Walpurgis, and secondly, Der Freischütz was one of my favourite abnormalities in Lobotomy Corp, as well as being one of my fav EGO pages in LoR (Yedod's Floor MVP all the way).

Going back to your earlier point, I would like to start building towards a new tremor or sinking team, but I think I will wait it out for now until I see what new ID's we get in S4. Maybe they will do to Tremor and Sinking in S4 what they did to Poise and Bleed in S3?

[Angela]

Originally posted by Yumri:

Thank you, your write-up is most helpful. I think I am going to grab W Ryo, R Ishmael and W Don, and build a team with Rabbit Heath and Cinqlair. Just not sure who my last option is going to be as I won't have the shards for Tingtang HL. I do have Dieci HL though, maybe I'll throw him in? Or W Faust, as she is already uptie 3, and I have Fluid Sac available for her.

You can use Dieci HL if you want Slash skill or Dimension Shredder ego, but if this helps, this is the charge team which I use:
>W Ryo, W Don, R Ishmael, Rabbit, Cinqlair, Dieci Rodya
This team is so that I can use 2 Pierce/Slash/Blunt ids and dont have to worry with dmg types, and so I can use Rime Shank and play arould with sinking if i need it.

Speaking of which since you have Dieci HL anyway, you know discard trick right? You cant discard defensive skill, so once they at high insight replace bottom skill with defensive skill and only using top skill so that they can stay at high insight forever.
But anyway if you want faust ids for charge, I recommend you to either use :
>Grip Faust, 7 Faust, L Faust (00, cheap), Regret (if you have her)
Imo, W Faust is not really needed in charge team.