Does fluid sac make the game faust-centric?

[Slopcoded Normiecore]

I've been wondering for a while over a curious fact: Whenever i think sustain, i think faust because of her fluid sac ego. Naturally there are a few other sustains options:

for hp:
pursuance (meursault and rodion)
lantern (sinclair)

for sanity:
blind obsession (ishmael)

Both pursuances have different conditionals making them much more situational than fluid sac, despite being slightly cheaper.

Sinclair's lantern heals the same as fluid sac, except it's only for 4 allies, has 2 less cost and doesn't heal sanity (this cannot be argued in favor of n sinclair because being bellow 0 sanity will give you a 75% corrosion chance).

Blind obsession gives 25 sanity to 4 allies, but has an enormous cost of 11. Also no hp.

Meanwhile, fluid sac heals 15% hp for all alies gives 15 sanity to all alies (+ 15 more if heads hit, causing to fully refund it's sanity cost). All this for a total cost of 9.

They are all gloom hungry (except sinclair) so they're effectively competing for a similar spot.

Maybe it's bias from my part, but faust is always on my team.

[Iggy the Unwise]

Fluid on its own does not make game Faust centric, but the fact that she has 2 EGOs and one id with sp heal does make her vital in EGO spam heavy teams. Also, you missed MFE EGO on Heath for sp heal and couple of conditional hp heal EGOs. Al in all it was a case in first 2 seasons, but now it’s less of a problem.

[Angela]

No this ins't S1 or S2 anymore, I've been running blind obsession + pursuances in my charge team and they work fine, fluid sac is just very convenient to have as it can heal hp/sp and itself.

and beside Egos we have 2 greg ids for hp heal and 3 ids to heal sp from support passive, you can live without fluid sac

[Reptiloid]

For any serious fights, well, kind of.

[Angela]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaqCITVP8yM

Very optimized run, dozens of ego uses and none of them are Fluid Sac, still very nice to have Fluid Sac tho at least for new players.

[Birp]

No. Not sure what conditionals you're talking about for Pursuance. Lantern heals a lot more than Fluid Sac, costs less, but doesn't have an sp heal.

Blind Obsession comes with massive damage + a pierce power/dmg buff, not just an sp heal.

Fluid Sac is good, but overrated imo.

[jobhobster]

Fluid Sac was really good at release, but I believe now we have much more options to do stuff

[Angela]

Origineel geplaatst door Birp:

No. Not sure what conditionals you're talking about for Pursuance. Lantern heals a lot more than Fluid Sac, costs less, but doesn't have an sp heal.

Blind Obsession comes with massive damage + a pierce power/dmg buff, not just an sp heal.

Fluid Sac is good, but overrated imo.

Oh yeah, Lantern heal is "on hit" and its 3 to 5 atk weight so it can actually heal 3 to 5 times more hp than fluic sac on 2 allies, any on hit effect will scales with attack weight/how many target they hitting

Same case with charge and poise gain from Blind Obsession tho.

[Minh]

Not anymore. But I think it's still famous & preferred by some or many.

[Reptiloid]

Fluid succ still outclasses other healing egos with potentially double sp heal on UT4, AND healing SP on Faust as well, allowing to clash the next turn with ease, which is crucial to serious fights, like it was MDH5 Jun or smth, where a single clash lost may cost dearly. The only downside is a relatively low clash value of 26.

[Atma]

Nobody ever remembers that Mommy's Holiday also recovers SP.

[SeasonedSoulsBorne]

don fluid sac enjoyers loving that juicy 30+ coin

[Birp]

Origineel geplaatst door Atma:

Nobody ever remembers that Mommy's Holiday also recovers SP. :LoT_boss:

It's pretty useful for MB Outis / burn team.

For tremor team its kinda ehh, since if you run Oufi Heath + R Faust, you have access to 2 other sp healing egos already.

Otherwise I use Ebony Stem... but I don't use Outis much outside burn and tremor teams nowadays. Also we need more IDs with gluttony skills imo.

[1162706830]

Why would you consider heal first? In most battle outside MDH you don't take
any damage, and in MD heal gifts make up for that.

[Joshua Kurayami]

Origineel geplaatst door 1162706830:

Why would you consider heal first? In most battle outside MDH you don't take
any damage, and in MD heal gifts make up for that.

Tell that to RR or certain story dungeons

[SpearOfLies]

Origineel geplaatst door Tee hee:

They are all gloom hungry (except sinclair) so they're effectively competing for a similar spot.

Last time I checked, of the list you made, only Fluid sack and Blind Obsession are gloom hungry.

Persuance Meursalt cost 1 gloom but can we really call that gloom hungry?

Not only they are not gloom hungry so they don't compete for similar resources, them not competing for gloom is much huge plus side for them than Fluid Sack as a decent amount of key EGOs consume a not so little amount of gloom.
Telepole Don, Effervescent Corrosion Rodion, Rime Shank Rodion, AEDD Gregor.
I don't know which healing EGO charge team prefer but Sinking and Tremor have no problem feeding Pursuance while Rupture team can spam Lantern almost freely as 1 Lust and 2 Pride
is actually hard compared to their gluttony generation.

This is also ignoring team struggling to produce gloom. So they have better chance feeding other healing EGOs.

It all your team is build around fueling Fluid Sac, it's more like you are Faust dependant than the game being Faust centric.