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Flygoniaks Feb 7, 2024 @ 7:22pm
Pequod Captain Ishmael has Several Unique Properties
I'll cut to the chase and tell you what those properties are:
  1. She has an additional Combat Passive, "Hour of the Hunt," that is always active regardless of resonance/owned resources. She is the first ID to have more than one Combat Passive, and the first passive to always be active.

  2. Her sanity works completely differently from all other IDs. Previously, the only ID to have a unique sanity condition was Lobotomy E.G.O::Sunshower Heathcliff, who was designed to work with a mechanic that was removed from the game (losing SP by losing clashes). For once, the "Sanity" tab is actually relevant!

  3. In the game data, she's tagged as "PEQUOD_CAPTAIN" instead of "PEQUOD_CREW." In practice, this means that she does NOT benefit from Middle Meursault's Support Passive, and may also mean that she does not trigger the extra effect of Pequod Heathcliff's Combat Passive (this still needs testing, let me know what you find). Please note that it is fairly likely that this will be changed in a future update, even if it may be intentional.

  4. If brought into the fight against Effloresced E.G.O::Gasharpoon, a few small changes occur, similar to bringing N-Sinclair to the Chapter 3 boss. Mainly,a special text box appears above Ishmael at the start of the battle, Ahab has a unique voiceline at the end of the battle, and Ishmael's "Compulsion" status effect turns into "Reverse Compulsion" (heal 15 SP at the start of every turn).
This... really opens the floodgates for how future Identities can be designed, in my opinion. I figured people would have a lot to say about this, so I'm creating this thread so you can all discuss it in one place. I won't constantly watch over this thread as I don't have much to say, but I'll check back every now and then. Have fun!
Last edited by Flygoniaks; Feb 8, 2024 @ 1:55pm
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SpaceSquid Feb 8, 2024 @ 6:52am 
Originally posted by Yukks:
What does Hour of the Hunt do?
10% damage to 'lake creatures', so mermaids, anything pallidfied and whales
Originally posted by CarThief:
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......I dunno, guess there's not much data yet but the penalty seems too harsh for too little reward. You'd think atleast it couldn't dip into the negatives.
From what I tested so far, it shouldn't be hard keeping her sanity up at all if you are focused on making sure she hunts for kills.
The fact that only higher level unit, kills steals take -5 SP. Meanwhile she gets 15 ( +5 more) on those high level unit kills means she can easily keep up unless your whole group gets the kills after her on the same turn. Even then her S3 triggers on herself meaning just a stagger would get her back into the positive with a 10 SP gain.
Even then supports like Middle Meursault can fix up her Sp loss if your get a full kill group.
Outside of high level runs, she will do wonders for Chapters as if shes high levelled this won't matter and she unlike most IDs still gets SP on killing low level units.
e-dood Feb 8, 2024 @ 7:50am 
Originally posted by David Bowie Sensei:
Originally posted by CarThief:
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......I dunno, guess there's not much data yet but the penalty seems too harsh for too little reward. You'd think atleast it couldn't dip into the negatives.
From what I tested so far, it shouldn't be hard keeping her sanity up at all if you are focused on making sure she hunts for kills.
The fact that only higher level unit, kills steals take -5 SP. Meanwhile she gets 15 ( +5 more) on those high level unit kills means she can easily keep up unless your whole group gets the kills after her on the same turn. Even then her S3 triggers on herself meaning just a stagger would get her back into the positive with a 10 SP gain.
Even then supports like Middle Meursault can fix up her Sp loss if your get a full kill group.
Outside of high level runs, she will do wonders for Chapters as if shes high levelled this won't matter and she unlike most IDs still gets SP on killing low level units.
Once I figured out this particular quirk for this Ishmael ID, it quickly became a non issue really.

You just have to be careful to not just win rate spam your way through a fight.
CarThief Feb 8, 2024 @ 9:39am 
You can't pick your targets, only what you use (though if you abstain from killing a target via guard/etc because she isn't doing the killing, you're only making things worse for yourself later). Randomized targets make her mechanic a real pain in the ass. Win-rate or not, it's a lose/lose.

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Well, atleast a good thing her "kill steal" is only higher levels instead of equal or lower. Though this doesn't speak well of her abilities if *any* non-commanded kill steal were to lower her SP, in theory. Just not worth it in that scenario.

Also good that her S3 can heal her own SP, yeah (as niche/rare as it is...). Both make her more tolerable in even-levelled fights, atleast (ignoring bosses who don't matter level-wise). Still sucks big time for MD3H, but atleast Bloody Mist still makes her OP as hell to compensate.

In the end, least I'd ask for is that her "kill steal" passive effect only triggers max once per round. Really sucks if you kill 2+ enemies and she loses 10 or more SP.
SpaceSquid Feb 8, 2024 @ 9:52am 
Given that she also restores SP on her passive, its really not a problem, unless she staggers, or an EGO gets a multikill - she's getting 15 SP for a kill in those fights, so its rare you'll be netting SP loss unless she's guarding
She does also have the upside if we get proper hard fights is that she gains SP when allies get killed rather than lose it. You could if you reckon the fight is going rough, Sac a ID to get a some SP.
Its just a neat gimmick that has upsides and downsides, like every gimmick in the game. Just saying its bad because it doesn't work with win rate, as her gimmick is quite literally Kill stealing, both her S3 and her Passive.
Flygoniaks Feb 8, 2024 @ 1:06pm 
Hi everyone,

It seems there was even more to this ID than we initially thought. I've added additional discoveries about her to the main post (read them if you want). With all of the unique traits they've given this ID, I can easily see why there was no 2-star accompanying her.
Sergalius Feb 8, 2024 @ 1:23pm 
Ishmael is first Waw or even Aleph level id
It is just the boss.
And as we can see from her story. she is a Compass of the crew, not their demise.
True Commisar. Praise The God-Emperor.
Reptiloid (Banned) Feb 8, 2024 @ 2:50pm 
That additional stuff in Ahab fight is cool. Shame they weren't adding small details to characters back in s1-2, but eh.
DEMOPLS Feb 8, 2024 @ 4:20pm 
Originally posted by Reptiloid:
That additional stuff in Ahab fight is cool. Shame they weren't adding small details to characters back in s1-2, but eh.
wasnt really much they could do even if they wanted to. rodya didnt even get a story id lol (LCCB doesnt count)
Originally posted by Reptiloid:
That additional stuff in Ahab fight is cool. Shame they weren't adding small details to characters back in s1-2, but eh.
They could of done it with Aida and Jefe Sinclair. Like maybe Jefe Sinclair gets the same powerup from Hora de Fiesta at 20+ SP.
I think Chapter 1 did get the announcer treatment though with Yuri and the apple.
I was more shocked we got nothing from chapter 4, considering we got the both versions of
Dongbaek.
Reptiloid (Banned) Feb 8, 2024 @ 11:32pm 
Originally posted by DEMOPLS:
Originally posted by Reptiloid:
That additional stuff in Ahab fight is cool. Shame they weren't adding small details to characters back in s1-2, but eh.
wasnt really much they could do even if they wanted to. rodya didnt even get a story id lol (LCCB doesnt count)

Well, they were figuring stuff out in season 1, apparently. She got the story ego tho, Rime shank is that Baba Yaga thing.
Last edited by Reptiloid; Feb 8, 2024 @ 11:33pm
Iggy the Unwise Feb 9, 2024 @ 12:00am 
Originally posted by Reptiloid:
Well, they were figuring stuff out in season 1, apparently. She got the story ego tho, Rime shank is that Baba Yaga thing.
Name a sinner whose canto we had who didn`t get a story EGO.
Reptiloid (Banned) Feb 9, 2024 @ 12:05am 
Originally posted by Iggy the Unwise:
Originally posted by Reptiloid:
Well, they were figuring stuff out in season 1, apparently. She got the story ego tho, Rime shank is that Baba Yaga thing.
Name a sinner whose canto we had who didn`t get a story EGO.

Um, Sinclair in chapter 3? Unless you interpret his base ego as a story one. Gregor got himself an apple, rodion got thi shank thing, YiiY Sang with fury ego and Ishmael with Obsession, but nothing for sinclair.
Last edited by Reptiloid; Feb 9, 2024 @ 12:06am
Iggy the Unwise Feb 9, 2024 @ 12:10am 
Originally posted by Reptiloid:
Um, Sinclair in chapter 3? Unless you interpret his base ego as a story one. Gregor got himself an apple, rodion got thi shank thing, YiiY Sang with fury ego and Ishmael with Obsession, but nothing for sinclair.
Impending day is a story EGO, granted not from his canto but a story one.
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