PSA: Yi Sang's Sunshower EGO is getting upgraded to WAW

[SmallGespenst]

update notice states this is being changed, and the upgrade costs will be changed on the 21st, so get it to T4 before then or it'll get more expensive, this is explicitly recommended.

[Sergalius]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Erogami:

rimeshank reevaluation when

SHUT UP. DONT GIVE THEM IDEAS.

[Sergalius]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Angela:

If there are any change to Sanity then they will say so in the announcement, because they did tell the increase in cost for its uptie, who is tied to Ego tier.

it is pm. they can forgot\ do not tell it. xDD

[Iggy the Unwise]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Iggy the Unwise:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Iggy the Unwise:

Sin cost yes, but the sanity is tied to the tier with the exception of some sanity gain EGOs that consume more than their tier would suggest.

Ok i was full of ♥♥♥♥, all but some non zain Egos cost 20 no matter the tier.

I give up even more, the sanity cost is all over the place, Zains with 15 cost, Teth with 15 cost, He with 25. It's really inconsistent

[SmallGespenst]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sergalius:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Erogami:

rimeshank reevaluation when

SHUT UP. DONT GIVE THEM IDEAS.

Wouldn't that be fine though? It's certainly not like her 4th Match is remotely impressive outside of the Siltcurrent Fight for the auto-para.

[Angela]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von SmallGespenst:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sergalius:

SHUT UP. DONT GIVE THEM IDEAS.

Wouldn't that be fine though? It's certainly not like her 4th Match is remotely impressive outside of the Siltcurrent Fight for the auto-para.

Yeah and tbh, both are 2 very different egos, if burn team ever become OP then it would be better for her to use 4MF, if she is not on burn Team then Rime shank would be a better choice, it also funny how right now Rime Shank cost more resourses than her 4MF.

[Iggy the Unwise]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Angela:

Yeah and tbh, both are 2 very different egos, if burn team ever become OP then it would be better for her to use 4MF, if she is not on burn Team then Rime shank would be a better choice, it also funny how right now Rime Shank cost more resourses than her 4MF.

The sin cost amount is also really inconsistent with Egos, i saw some of them balance lower cost with more sanity cost but its not universal and sometime just wrong (Ryoshu Soda)

[Bishop]

As long as they keep sanity and resource cost intact, its kinda whatever. If they start adjusting it to match waw level or whatever it gonna be straight nerf. And that's a id that people spent real money on.

[Angela]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Iggy the Unwise:

The sin cost amount is also really inconsistent with Egos, i saw some of them balance lower cost with more sanity cost but its not universal and sometime just wrong (Ryoshu Soda)

I think the only cossistants numbers with Ego is their uptie cost tbh.

[Birp]

Well, it's nice for W Sang but this move kinda cucks new players a bit, I hope they give some compensation later.

edit: now that I think about it, they should readjust BL Sinclair into a 00 id. He wouldn't even make for a good 00 id anyways.

[hellatze]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sergalius:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Erogami:

rimeshank reevaluation when

SHUT UP. DONT GIVE THEM IDEAS.

please dont i am poor and not up 4 yet

[blindmew]

Feels very unnecessary to me. As someone else said, a lot of EGOs, such as Rimeshank, feel unbalanced for their ranking. But ranking NEVER really mattered in terms of gameplay, all it meant was that it took up an EGO slot.

What actually mattered when it came to balancing an EGO's power was the Sin and Sanity cost, and Sunshower's cost felt appropriate for what it offered. Although the Sanity cost is easily refunded if you rolled heads, 10 Sin resources is still a lot to build up. Hopefully this doesn't mean they intend to raise that cost, just for the sake of "balance".

[Demonking]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sergalius:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Erogami:

rimeshank reevaluation when

SHUT UP. DONT GIVE THEM IDEAS.

Rimshark is strong but it not WEW strong. Like, I can find a reason not to use rim shark, it depends on team but an extra 40% damage sometimes beats having extra sanity generation an AOE. Yi Sang's makes the team functionally invulnerable for the current and next turn, does considerable AOE, and completely refunds its sanity price and then some. Not to mention it restores 6 sanity a turn to all teammates for the duration of battle after use.

Yeah Rimshark isn't changing, you don't need to worry about your default option.

[SmallGespenst]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von blindmew:

Feels very unnecessary to me. As someone else said, a lot of EGOs, such as Rimeshank, feel unbalanced for their ranking. But ranking NEVER really mattered in terms of gameplay, all it meant was that it took up an EGO slot.

What actually mattered when it came to balancing an EGO's power was the Sin and Sanity cost, and Sunshower's cost felt appropriate for what it offered. Although the Sanity cost is easily refunded if you rolled heads, 10 Sin resources is still a lot to build up. Hopefully this doesn't mean they intend to raise that cost, just for the sake of "balance".

For what its worth, PM's explanation is pretty much just "Yi Sang's Sunshower is significantly stronger than other HE EGOs, we've decide to make it a WAW instead of nefing it to fit with other HE EGOs. Upgrade it before the 21st or you'll have to pay the increased price"
No mention of changing the SP or resource costs, just that the upgrade cost would be changing and that people should upgrade it soon to avoid paying the increased cost, along with an apology for being confusing.

[Demonking]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von SmallGespenst:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von blindmew:

Feels very unnecessary to me. As someone else said, a lot of EGOs, such as Rimeshank, feel unbalanced for their ranking. But ranking NEVER really mattered in terms of gameplay, all it meant was that it took up an EGO slot.

What actually mattered when it came to balancing an EGO's power was the Sin and Sanity cost, and Sunshower's cost felt appropriate for what it offered. Although the Sanity cost is easily refunded if you rolled heads, 10 Sin resources is still a lot to build up. Hopefully this doesn't mean they intend to raise that cost, just for the sake of "balance".

For what its worth, PM's explanation is pretty much just "Yi Sang's Sunshower is significantly stronger than other HE EGOs, we've decide to make it a WAW instead of nefing it to fit with other HE EGOs. Upgrade it before the 21st or you'll have to pay the increased price"
No mention of changing the SP or resource costs, just that the upgrade cost would be changing and that people should upgrade it soon to avoid paying the increased cost, along with an apology for being confusing.

It's literally like, the same as Ishmael's WEW besides status effects. I think they just had a moment of realizing, "Wait a minute..." They probably just want to make sure the ego grades remain a little more consistent in strength going forward.

[Shujin]

Uh, did they forget to upgrade Sunshowers resistances too? It seems to have the same resistance values as HE egos, Ishmaels WAW has on more ineffective/endured color.

Or is yi sang shafted in that regard for his WAW ego? Probably not a big deal right now but I assume once more WAW's role in that be weird.